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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #22128476 - 08/22/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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CrimsonSpectre said:
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Swyfty Swyf said:
I think as long as you think it's likely that God doesn't exist you can count yourself atheist




I don't believe in the existence of the Christian god, nor do I believe in the existence of the gods of other organized religions. I do not consider myself an atheist or agnostic either. I'll call it "spiritual" for lack of a better term. This is due to OBEs I've had and the many "higher" entities I have encountered. If I had never had an OBE, I'd probably consider myself an atheist. But I left my body as well as this plane of existence...

But then again, 1 billion lemmings can't be wrong. :smirk:



The insistence that you have had a more meaningful trip than me has been refuted & refuted
No one here gives you any props from your "contact" with other entities
I've done drugs too man




Who the fuck is asking for "props"? One's personal beliefs or lack of should be based off one's personal experiences. You think I should "count myself as an atheist". I don't.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22128478 - 08/22/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
Look, if being an atheist just means that you don't believe in any sort of Christian type of God, then yes, i am an atheist as well.

But seeing as how being an atheist means you are "100% sure there is no higher form of consciousness, no ETs, UFOs, angels, demons, Gods, Goddesses, living earth..etc" then yes, that means you are not intelligent because any of the things i just listed COULD exist. Of course we cant prove if there is or isn't, but to say "theres no proof of them" doesn't mean shit because things are being proven and disproven every day at an alarming rate.

this thread sucks. same with any atheist.




you sure are full of falsehoods today





No, what i said is the truth. Being an atheist means you are denying the things that we are not sure of. To deny something we are not sure of isn't intelligent. Its being close-minded.



No it sounds like you are a big fan of Ancient Aliens


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #22128490 - 08/22/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No, i am a fan of DMT :ancientaliens:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: psychodelia]
    #22128497 - 08/22/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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psychodelia said:
Just to be clear, I’m not a professional ‘quote maker’. I’m just an atheist teenager who greatly values his intelligence and scientific fact over any silly fiction book written 3,500 years ago. This being said, I am open to any and all criticism.

'In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence'.



There is certainly such thing as an intelligent atheist.

But there is no such thing as an open minded atheist.

Psychedelia= :puddingpop:


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Swyfty Swyf] * 1
    #22128515 - 08/22/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Swyfty Swyf said:
A dead man has a belief in nothing
A flower has a belief in nothing
A non-sentient being would have a belief in nothing
Nothing to believe in
No belief
It is not belief
:shrug:




These are ludicrous generalizations that only the feeble-minded would fall for.  If you have used your higher thinking capacity to come to the conclusion that you believe in nothing, then you STILL believe in something, because in such a case nothing is something.


In some cases the absence of the object is still the object, this is one of those cases.

For example, 0 is the absence of a number, but it is still a number.

I think that was a simple enough explanation.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #22128518 - 08/22/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I liked his assessment. I don't need to make ad-hominem attacks because I don't like his ideas, but have none of my own...


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: CrimsonSpectre]
    #22128524 - 08/22/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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CrimsonSpectre said:
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Swyfty Swyf said:
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CrimsonSpectre said:
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Swyfty Swyf said:
I think as long as you think it's likely that God doesn't exist you can count yourself atheist




I don't believe in the existence of the Christian god, nor do I believe in the existence of the gods of other organized religions. I do not consider myself an atheist or agnostic either. I'll call it "spiritual" for lack of a better term. This is due to OBEs I've had and the many "higher" entities I have encountered. If I had never had an OBE, I'd probably consider myself an atheist. But I left my body as well as this plane of existence...

But then again, 1 billion lemmings can't be wrong. :smirk:



The insistence that you have had a more meaningful trip than me has been refuted & refuted
No one here gives you any props from your "contact" with other entities
I've done drugs too man




Who the fuck is asking for "props"? One's personal beliefs or lack of should be based off one's personal experiences. You think I should "count myself as an atheist". I don't.




I never said anything of the sort
I was referring to the difference between an agnostic and an atheist
An agnostic might say they don't know what to believe
An atheist might say they believe it is likely there is no God, i.e. higher power
The discussion at hand before you becoming butthurt had to do with the difference between atheists and agnostics
Why would I think you should count yourself anything?



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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: lowbrow]
    #22128542 - 08/22/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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lowbrow said:
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Swyfty Swyf said:
A dead man has a belief in nothing
A flower has a belief in nothing
A non-sentient being would have a belief in nothing
Nothing to believe in
No belief
It is not belief
:shrug:




These are ludicrous generalizations that only the feeble-minded would fall for.  If you have used your higher thinking capacity to come to the conclusion that you believe in nothing, then you STILL believe in something, because in such a case nothing is something.


In some cases the absence of the object is still the object, this is one of those cases.

For example, 0 is the absence of a number, but it is still a number.

I think that was a simple enough explanation.



This all started from the argument of whether the belief in nothing is a belief at all
I said no
If you can't understand that simplicity I don't know how to explain any further


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22128543 - 08/22/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
Look, if being an atheist just means that you don't believe in any sort of Christian type of God, then yes, i am an atheist as well.

But seeing as how being an atheist means you are "100% sure there is no higher form of consciousness, no ETs, UFOs, angels, demons, Gods, Goddesses, living earth..etc" then yes, that means you are not intelligent because any of the things i just listed COULD exist. Of course we cant prove if there is or isn't, but to say "theres no proof of them" doesn't mean shit because things are being proven and disproven every day at an alarming rate.

this thread sucks. same with any atheist.




you sure are full of falsehoods today





No, what i said is the truth. Being an atheist means you are denying the things that we are not sure of. To deny something we are not sure of isn't intelligent. Its being close-minded.





no, it doesnt. that's just your own version of what you think atheism is


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22128578 - 08/22/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Then enlighten me


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22128589 - 08/22/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Then enlighten me





there is no enlightenment for you


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22128636 - 08/22/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
Look, if being an atheist just means that you don't believe in any sort of Christian type of God, then yes, i am an atheist as well.

But seeing as how being an atheist means you are "100% sure there is no higher form of consciousness, no ETs, UFOs, angels, demons, Gods, Goddesses, living earth..etc" then yes, that means you are not intelligent because any of the things i just listed COULD exist. Of course we cant prove if there is or isn't, but to say "theres no proof of them" doesn't mean shit because things are being proven and disproven every day at an alarming rate.

this thread sucks. same with any atheist.




you sure are full of falsehoods today





No, what i said is the truth. Being an atheist means you are denying the things that we are not sure of. To deny something we are not sure of isn't intelligent. Its being close-minded.





no, it doesnt. that's just your own version of what you think atheism is




It seems to me more than less folks that post around here who are not atheists get very sensitive about any remarks they view as being in any way against their own
Folks get a hard time for even suggesting points that may be derived from scientific methods of reasoning.
It's laughable to me that anything I have said comes from what I derive as the atheist standpoint
From what I've said this far no one would have any logical reason to feel that I stand on one line or the other
And yet......


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #22128696 - 08/22/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Let's see how that works out for you OP. How about you start controlling your breathing, and your other numerous body functions. How about you make the earth spin around on a consistent basis. You're so intelligent and so godlike, you should be able to do these things. If you can make the sun come up tomorrow, I will bow and say, "All hail psychodelia." But you can't. Because you're just a :realtroll:


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22128735 - 08/22/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
Then enlighten me





there is no enlightenment for you





so in other words im right. Also, you don't even now what atheism is.

Atheism is not believing in a God and believing humans are the top of the line as far as intelligence and that the world/life is an accident.



edit:

"atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities."

so umm i pretty much hit the nail on the head


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


Edited by Bill_Oreilly (08/22/15 09:28 PM)


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: JustForToday]
    #22128760 - 08/22/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Let's see how that works out for you OP. How about you start controlling your breathing, and your other numerous body functions. How about you make the earth spin around on a consistent basis. You're so intelligent and so godlike, you should be able to do these things. If you can make the sun come up tomorrow, I will bow and say, "All hail psychodelia." But you can't. Because you're just a :realtroll:



Were you trying to to give an actual rebuttal on anything said here thus far?
Your rebuttal of the OP's initial stance is way off base
You calling him a troll means nothing
He never said he was godlike


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #22128778 - 08/22/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Typical addict thinking. Always thinking "I'm in control." Until things go "out of control", you're an atheist. But then you wanna cry out to God when something terrible happens. In the rooms we call it a foxhole prayer. How many of us here have done it that before I wonder?


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: JustForToday]
    #22128790 - 08/22/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've been "in the rooms" before
I haven't come in contact with many as proud as you seem
You are likely young and far from "rock bottom" as you would like to think, Proud Addict!


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
    #22128815 - 08/22/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you for introducing the word agnostic to this thread, especially the genius who created it. That's really all I kept scrolling for, to see if anyone was gonna correct all these people.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: thizzlemaniac] * 1
    #22128835 - 08/22/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Agnostic isn't that far off
It just means "not sure" instead of "naw, don't think so" without so many words
:shrug:


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Swyfty Swyf] * 1
    #22129000 - 08/22/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Swyfty Swyf said:
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CrimsonSpectre said:
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Swyfty Swyf said:
I think as long as you think it's likely that God doesn't exist you can count yourself atheist



You think I should "count myself as an atheist". I don't.




I never said anything of the sort
I was referring to the difference between an agnostic and an atheist
An agnostic might say they don't know what to believe
An atheist might say they believe it is likely there is no God, i.e. higher power
The discussion at hand before you becoming butthurt had to do with the difference between atheists and agnostics
Why would I think you should count yourself anything?






Well one thing is clear, no matter what you believe, you are in fact an idiot.


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Edited by CrimsonSpectre (08/22/15 10:48 PM)


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