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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22136233 - 08/24/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

in case you don't know this, plenty of religious people don't push their beliefs on others.

a lot of people are just pushy about their lifestyle whether its religious, political, healthy, etc.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
    #22136240 - 08/24/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm fully aware of that, pretty sure I'm the only person I know IRL who isn't religious and no one j know talks about it....but I have met the kind who push it on people, religious and atheist, but normal people don't give a shit what other people's beliefs are


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22136241 - 08/24/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Itneeded a labor because untill a few years ago almost everyone was religious and religious people create their tribes, and fuck with non believers. It is not an irrelivent issue, what a god damn wrong thing to say. So many people lap this living forever garbage up, thirsting for the afterlife and armagedon.
I disagree with your premise that they are just 'pushing beliefs'. There isn't one beige religion. They make factual flames that are wrong and harmful. Especially Islam in today's world. Pushing to teach kids back science so they know we are made of Atoms, not mud like the bible says is not a bad thing if you want to live in a rational world and not some retarded equivocating hippie shit. There are real cunts out there with pernicious beliefs that effect their behavior
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22136252 - 08/24/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You have a problem with organized religion, which I do as well. But people are free to believe whatever they want


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22136258 - 08/24/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

hey man if people want to send their kids to school like that they are going to and there will be industries to supply the demand.

my parents did and i'm not retarded. i think if people are sheep they should be sheep to retarded ideas so its easy to distinguish the sheep from those who can think for themselves.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
    #22136271 - 08/24/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Except that after a certain point, sheep can be dangerous, because they influence policy, and occasionally one of em gets in a position of power. I'm not talking religious people, but specifically the nutters, but that's different issue. Either way the people that feel a need to approach people ans'convert' are annoying, both sides of the table


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22136292 - 08/24/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You have a problem with organized religion, which I do as well. But people are free to believe whatever they want



No, to everything you said. All that hippie harmony shit. All religions are not equal. Not every beliefe deserves protection. People who think like that are letting those Koran toting cunts ruin western Europe. Fuck those refugies that are flooding in


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22136309 - 08/24/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No different than the way Christianity used to be, in fact the way almost every religion has been at some point, you have a dangerous mindset, you can't stop or control the way people think or believe, and you'd become a worse evil by trying

You're want to stop a religion with over a billion followers a d say it shouldn't be allowed? Good luck, let me know how that goes.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22136348 - 08/24/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No different than the way Christianity used to be, in fact the way almost every religion has been at some point, you have a dangerous mindset, you can't stop or control the way people think or believe, and you'd become a worse evil by trying

You're attempting to stop a religion with over a billion followers a d say it shouldn't be allowed? Good luck, let me know how that goes.



Christianity wasn't as bad. The crusades and kinning of non Christians was hardly anything compared to the Muslem encroachment on the west. That is just a fact. You can go on sites and see the scores of people killed because these morons want world wide Islam, every month, every day, in the present.


The whole point of Islam is to get your mind empty of all things except for God.
You sound like some brainwashed peace and love liberal. How sad.
They have a book that outlines their beliefs and they refuse to reform. Isis instituted Sharia, and the rebels in Syria want it too.
Their values are wrong and evil. It is part of what makes them Muslem. It is written right there


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22136366 - 08/24/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

one thing to ponder is that if there is balance in the world, or some theory i don't know the name of.

for the existence of people who think for themselves  there must equally be people who don't. so by that logic we need those idiots for us to exist, and they could never take kill us all because that would kill themselves. so maybe your fear that they have so much power is not actually a reality.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: bukkake]
    #22136397 - 08/24/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That is a confused person who should not be labeling themselves, in my opinion. Like a bisexual homosexual? Huh?




if they had the answer they wouldn't need faith to begin with. questioning your faith, or even recognizing its possible limitations, is something a rational person might do. and you can't equate religious beliefs with sexuality because they are products of opposing lines of reasoning.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: millzy]
    #22136427 - 08/24/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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lack of belief doesn't equal belief




no. a lack of a belief in God is still a belief because there is no way to no the certainty of the existence of God.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
    #22136446 - 08/24/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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lack of belief doesn't equal belief




no. a lack of a belief in God is still a belief because there is no way to no the certainty of the existence of God.



There is zero evidence, I dismiss god

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one thing to ponder is that if there is balance in the world, or some theory i don't know the name of.

for the existence of people who think for themselves  there must equally be people who don't. so by that logic we need those idiots for us to exist, and they could never take kill us all because that would kill themselves. so maybe your fear that they have so much power is not actually a reality.



It would be neat if the world was balanced. It isn't.
I also want to point out the Muslem countries. The most religious places in the world. They are all uncompromising garbage with shitty laws and economies.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22136450 - 08/24/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Atheist and  anti theist are not the same thing. Antichrists are really against religion. And atheist is just one who does not subscribe to any theology. It is in the name. You don't have to love Dawkins or something.
For example, I could say I doubt strongly that a god exists, but am not certain. I am an atheist for that



Atheist is not readily anti-theist, no, you're right. but it's still A-Theism, meaning you do NOT BELIEVE in Theism, you are opposite Theism, meaning you are certain of your beliefs that there is no Theism.

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That doesn't mean anything. There is no central Atheist authority to check.




that is no excuse. it's in the word A-Theism. non-believe in Theism. stop trying to muck up your beliefs with "oh it means no belief, i belief nothing, there is no authority".

aren't you compelling us to think you're the authority here on this one?

right. so there is an authority. every single Atheist is his/her own authority.

doesn't change what the fucking word means however.

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There is zero evidence, I dismiss god



means nothing. an Atheist is an Atheist. you belief there is no God hence your dismissal. stop saying you have no beliefs. you are exhibiting them right now.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22136469 - 08/24/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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lack of belief doesn't equal belief




no. a lack of a belief in God is still a belief because there is no way to no the certainty of the existence of God.




I still would argue it is not a belief. Just like how I don't believe anything about aliens at this point. Not because I dismiss aliens as a possibility, but I've got no evidence to base belief on. If someone somehow proved there was no god, I'd have a belief in god. If someone proved there was a god, I'd believe in a god. As it stands I simply lack belief, and until evidence or death brings me face to face with an answer I see no valid reason for belief beyond emotional ones


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22136477 - 08/24/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

your reasoning is true but i don't see how it supports your claim which i don't agree with.

to make a similar but simpler statement to yours, how i read it. someone with no money still has money because there is no certainty of the existence of the treasurer

also you don't know what atheism means, your logic is flawed. simply because language isn't logical and your using it to define a word.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Ezuma]
    #22136481 - 08/24/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you belief in something. hence, you don't believe in "nothing", is all i'm saying.

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your reasoning is true but i don't see how it supports your claim which i don't agree with.

to make a similar but simpler statement to yours, how i read it. someone with no money still has money because there is no certainty of the existence of the treasurer

also you don't know what atheism means, your logic is flawed. simply because language isn't logical and your using it to define a word.



no, i know what Atheism means. it means specifically the opposite of Theism. Theism = belief in supreme God, Atheism = do not believe in supreme god.

it's still a belief.

money isn't a belief, BTW. :confused:


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22136492 - 08/24/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You are making no sense. That is literally what it is. I'm not saying it isn't a beliefe. You are hung up on that. People come to the conclusion in different ways, and it has a far more free approach then something g where the rules are written down. It's like darwkins said, there is a scale of belief. He gave 1-6. He said he was a 5, almost a complete non believer. We can't know though. That doesn't mean the likelyhood is fifty fifty. I find it very unlikely there is a God at all
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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22136494 - 08/24/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you are making less than no sense, apparently. because i am making fine sense.

PS: you're the only one that managed to understand that Atheism is a belief, so we're on the same page here. :shrug:


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