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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22135722 - 08/24/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I saw one theory that a 4 dimensional star simply existed in some other multi/universe and supernova'd and thus the big bang occurred and our 3D space is inside of it's singularity.





That blew my mind. I think its exactly how all this came about. I have always thought something like that and never knew how to put it into words...so I must thank you. Just genius..



http://www.nature.com/news/did-a-hyper-black-hole-spawn-the-universe-1.13743
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/collapsing-4-d-star-could-have-spawned-universe/


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: millzy]
    #22135760 - 08/24/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What is an agnostic christian? What do they even believe?


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Ezuma]
    #22135783 - 08/24/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What is an agnostic christian? What do they even believe?




an agnostic christian is someone who a) can't make up their mind, and b) is trying too hard to identify their beliefs


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: pfxtc]
    #22135812 - 08/24/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that's not how i imagined the term was defined.

an agnostic-theist is basically an agnostic leaning toward the possibility of a god.

so i would think an agnostic-christian would be someone with christian values leaning toward the possibility of god but isn't in total belief of god.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: pfxtc]
    #22135818 - 08/24/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's what i figured, thanks.
The way I see it arguing between atheism or agnosticism is splitting hairs.
The way I see it, lack of belief doesn't equal belief, and though I'd probably label myself atheist I'm not gonna go around going 'There's no god you're all so wrong!' But I consider it fairly ridiculous, from the human perspective, to have the arrogance to make assumptions about what brought all this into being, or, even if there is some sort of central intelligence or whatever, to make assumptions or assertions about the nature of such a being. Conjecture is fine, and anything that can be substantiated is a decent enough basis to use in order to think about the world, as long as it doesn't shoot off and form a new belief system. That's why I have more respect for theories based in evidence than for scripture or spiritual mumbo jumbo, though that can have its place too... ah, babbling again


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: psychodelia]
    #22135829 - 08/24/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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that's not how i imagined the term was defined.

an agnostic-theist is basically an agnostic leaning toward the possibility of a god.

so i would think an agnostic-christian would be someone with christian values leaning toward the possibility of god but isn't in total belief of god.




what a fucking joke. "well I think I believe in God, but not really, but maybe, but I mean if there is a God then i'd believe in it, otherwise I don't know".

I'd punch that person in the dick if they told me they were a agnostic christian. and what are christian values? annoy people who don't believe in what you do?

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That's what i figured, thanks.
The way I see it arguing between atheism or agnosticism is splitting hairs.
The way I see it, lack of belief doesn't equal belief, and though I'd probably label myself atheist I'm not gonna go around going 'There's no god you're all so wrong!' But I consider it fairly ridiculous, from the human perspective, to have the arrogance to make assumptions about what brought all this into being, or, even if there is some sort of central intelligence or whatever, to make assumptions or assertions about the nature of such a being. Conjecture is fine, and anything that can be substantiated is a decent enough basis to use in order to think about the world, as long as it doesn't shoot off and form a new belief system. That's why I have more respect for theories based in evidence than for scripture or spiritual mumbo jumbo, though that can have its place too... ah, babbling again




I kind of agree with your sentiment - I wouldn't call myself atheist or agnostic, etc. Matter of fact I typically don't discuss the topic whatsoever, because I don't care about your/someone's faith or your perceived misunderstanding of my apparent lack of faith (I have no faith in anything besides myself). I DO think religion is one of the worst things to ever happen to humanity, for various reasons, but would not identify myself as anything - because it's plain ignorant to choose a system of beliefs based on nothing. We don't know fuck about shit in existence, and we're trying to quantify the existence of a god or lack of one? that's ridiculous. if anything I identify with zen traits but that's about it. all is all and all there is ever was.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: pfxtc]
    #22135853 - 08/24/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that's not at all what my point was and maybe you should leave jokes to comedians.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SurReality]
    #22135884 - 08/24/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

edit: why the delete?


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22136018 - 08/24/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Atheist and  anti theist are not the same thing. Antichrists are really against religion. And atheist is just one who does not subscribe to any theology. It is in the name. You don't have to love Dawkins or something.
For example, I could say I doubt strongly that a god exists, but am not certain. I am an atheist for that


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22136027 - 08/24/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

could you also say "i doubt strongly that a god(s) don't exist, but am not certain. i am an atheist for that."


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22136031 - 08/24/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Atheist and  anti theist are not the same thing. Antichrists are really against religion. And atheist is just one who does not subscribe to any theology. It is in the name. You don't have to love Dawkins or something.
For example, I could say I doubt strongly that a god exists, but am not certain. I am an atheist for that




As long as we're arguing pointless semantics wouldn't your last sentence be considered agnosticism? Way I see it there are really 4 options, you believe in a God, you don't believe in God, you're not sure, or you don't give a shit. I'm of the latter.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: Ezuma]
    #22136040 - 08/24/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What is an agnostic christian? What do they even believe?




an agnostic christian is someone who is a devotee of christianity but recognizes that ultimately they do not know the true nature of the universe, the godhead, even the validity of the miracle of jesus the god-man. that is a staunch difference between someone who simply chooses to not believe at all.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: pfxtc]
    #22136072 - 08/24/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Atheist and  anti theist are not the same thing. Antichrists are really against religion. And atheist is just one who does not subscribe to any theology. It is in the name. You don't have to love Dawkins or something.
For example, I could say I doubt strongly that a god exists, but am not certain. I am an atheist for that




you don't give a shit. I'm of the latter.




obviously you don't give a shit(sarcasm). that's why you're arguing about definitions that you could just look up but are simply too lazy and argumentative, so you arguing over definition (that i happen to agree don't make much sense like many other things in the english language) not logic.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: pfxtc]
    #22136081 - 08/24/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is all cemantic. No, atheism pertains to belief in religion, while agnostasism pertains to what you know. The difference is huge. Everyone is agnostic weather they know it or not. There is no atheist book, it isn't a religion.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22136085 - 08/24/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Whether it is or isnt , it's used like one by many


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22136113 - 08/24/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's used like one by many




this is the main issue, especially in this thread.

happens with most -isms

people assume feminism means some kind of female superiority (and if you don't actually look up the definition its easy to think that cause its kind of a misnomer) when it really mean equal human rights...

just as theism means you believe in god, so its easy to assume atheism means you believe there is no god.

and so the people who actually look up words discover some words have definitions that don't really makes sense, while others make senseless arguments or label themselves as some -isms and take a stand nowhere near the definition of that label.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: millzy] * 1
    #22136136 - 08/24/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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an agnostic christian is someone who is a devotee of christianity but recognizes that ultimately they do not know the true nature of the universe, the godhead, even the validity of the miracle of jesus the god-man. that is a staunch difference between someone who simply chooses to not believe at all.



That is a confused person who should not be labeling themselves, in my opinion. Like a bisexual homosexual? Huh?


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 1
    #22136142 - 08/24/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That doesn't mean anything. There is no central Atheist authority to check. I don't have to agree with any atheist because we have some book we can reference. You can even be 'spiritual' as an atheist and entertain all sorts of interesting things. Life or death, is there a god? Look at the evidence. No wishy washy 'I don't know, life is so crazy man' shit. I love the idea of spirits, drugs, magic, mystery, shamanism, other intelligent entities in another place parallel to our own. It doesn't mean I'm convinced.

Now the 'ism' thing. That is all your fault, taking a very simple concrete word and bluring it like it is something like Christianity. How silly. The big religions have thousands of years of history. Atheism is a relatively new concept because we have the science to dismiss the stories our parents clung to


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: bukkake]
    #22136147 - 08/24/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol no its not. the christian who actually thinks they know god exists is the confused one.


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Re: I am an intelligent atheist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22136199 - 08/24/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So you're telling me that you don't think it's similar when people like Richard Dawkins go around and try to convince people their wrong and push what he believes on them :justinwilson:

I'm not saying it is, but if you don't think there are people who attach themselves to the word and use it like one, you're not looking around at the world enough.

It's one thing to be defined as atheist because of your believes, it's a totally seperate thing to define and attach yourself to that title because of your beliefs.

There can be no proof either way of a god, it's a totally irrelevant question, why do you need a label instead of truly saying you don't know or say you'll believe if proof comes out.

I don't think it's a religion but there's no doubt there are people who use it in the same exact way as religion, and they're just as fucking annoying

You ever meet those.religious people that only talk about jesus? Its like that except talking about how there isn't a god and people who believe are stupid, not all, but a lot


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