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Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things (SGFC conversion update)
    #22125558 - 08/22/15 05:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So...i've been reading this forum a lot, and actually using the search function (I know, weird, right?) for the questions i've had so far, but the wisdom of the shroomery seems to indicate that I've done pretty much all of the wrong things.

I started out with an outdated PFTEK guides, that doesn't seem to be up to the latest standards of awesomeness.

I bought a grow kit.  Laziness tax, don't judge me, I have more available money than time.

I bought a "premium" funky named spore from a site that is not a sponsor here. (A site and particular strain that was very highly recommended by the person who introduced me to this whole growing thing in the first place) 

I was super impatient with my first jar that hit 100% colonization, so I only let it consolidate for like three days instead of the week recommended by RR in his videos and like every post he's ever made on the topic. I did dunk, but didn't roll, because I haven't had a chance to pick up vermiculite just yet.

My FC is what came with the grow kit, which is clearly *not* a SGFC. It's one of the "automated" set ups.

I had one out of 18 jars contaminate to trich, and rather than getting rid of that shit immediately, I've been entertaining myself by keeping up on the status of the battle of white vs green. (And white is winning, even though it started out as a fairly even battle, half the jar green, half the jar white.  It's actually been quite entertaining to watch them duke it out, and I speak kind words and cheer for the white team every time I look at it.  Oh yeah, and the instant green showed up I totally isolated it from the other jars, and I'm never going to open that suckered even if it looks like the white has won)

I didn't have a SAB when I inoculated, just cleaned the shit out a relatively small bathroom with bleach and lysol. (And one contaminated jar out of 18 doesn't seem like all that bad of a ratio)

SOOOOOOO.  The questions.  They begin now.

I bought a grow kit that seems like a fairly automated setup, with an air pump/humidifier on a timer, and lights on a timer.  For the most part it seems to be working pretty well, but the first cake I put in (scroll back a bit for the slight impatience part) was super fuzzy, and a bit of searching seemed to indicate that was very likely to be a FAE shortage. The terrarium that came with my grow kit only has three holes in it, near the top of one side. The hose from the humidifier goes in one hole, presumably the other two holes are supposed to let the old stale air out.  It didn't seem like enough, so I drilled a few more holes right above the perlite line, and have been trying to fan it every chance I get (which is really not all that much to be perfectly honest, but more on that later)  The same day I decided to drill extra holes and fan when I could, I discovered I had pins growing in two jars that were not yet quite 100% colonized. They were both *really* close, like seriously if you were to cut a dime into forths that were equal width, the slivers probably would have been about the size of one of the two smallest fourths.  So I just birthed them and put them directly in the terrarium.  But the next morning I s tarter being concerned about the tiny uncolonized sliver, so I did a search, and as a result ended up cutting out the uncolonized bit and dunking them for about 16 hours, and the two largest pins stayed attached and grew some, but I lost the one pin on the other cake. (Well technically it's still there, on the side of the cake, attached by moisture, but I was totally able to push it around, and I saw it float off the cake when I dunked, but whatever) 

Shit, sorry, the words they just keep coming out, I'll try to get to the point.  At this time, I'm sure the most knowledgeable of you are all saying "dude, ditch the grow kit, drill a fuckton of holes in it, and just make a SGFC like we're all doing, and follow the instructions".  But here's the deal: I simply can not commit to misting and fanning three or four times a day. I'm fanning when I can, trusting the air pump/humidifier to keep the humidity up (the cheap-ass humidity meter (hygrometer?) says 99% all the time, between perlite and the himidifier, and there's a ton of condensation that makes me believe it), but there's no way with my typical seduce that I could pull off more than a morning and evening mist/fan, and there are many times where I simply will not be home at all for 3-4 days at a time, so I can't even commit to *that* on a daily basis.

Given my time requirements, will my current setup consistently produce?  It doesn't have to be totally optimal, I just want to make sure I'm not completely wasting my time.

Also, I realize this is totally pedestrian to most of you, but hey, these are my first two actual growing babies. :laugh:

OK what?  Jpg is not an allowed format?  OK sorry, fine, no pic unless I can figure out how to do that from my ohone, but like I said, it was going to be pretty pedestrian anyway. :smile:


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: Sivarted]
    #22125574 - 08/22/15 05:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Get rid of that jar, you're just watching layers of mold colonize over each other at this point.  Cubensis never beats green.  Talking to a jar of mold... :hehehe:

I can't really recommend anything to someone who will regularly not be home for 3-4 days at a time.  Those are the kinds of people who get great harvests that are ruined by letting them sit too long, and then basically come back to rotten black goop.  Mushrooms don't care about your schedule and you can't always predict when they'll be done.

I'd say monotubs would be the way to go but you have to be there when it's time to harvest at LEAST.  Generally it's best if you can get to everything at least once a day during the fruiting phase to make sure you're not just letting mold run wild.  It would sure suck to see what would be half a pound of dry mushrooms looking completely black with spores and covered in slime. :sad:

There's a good chance even with monotubs which are supposed to be set and forget, that you're still going to be spending every day for a month or so dialing in your setup to match your environment.  You could eventually be good enough at it that you can predict when some things will happen and build your schedule around it but there is a learning curve and during that time everything is nuts.  This isn't a no-commitment thing.  You can't throw money at it to compensate for practice and effort.  If you have that much money and that little time, just buy mushrooms from somebody.  :shrug:


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: Inocuole]
    #22125682 - 08/22/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: taGyo]
    #22129398 - 08/23/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My advice to you is not to post a 1,000 word first post detailing all you've done wrong.

Find a tek, follow it to the letter and let us know if you have questions.

Good luck.


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: ShroominMe]
    #22134815 - 08/24/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry, there was at least one main question buried in that novel of a first post, about whether my setup was even going to work consistently even though I'm unable to follow RogerRabbit's videos (which I did purchase long before i started growing anything and have watched many times over, but thanks for the link anyway) to the letter due to schedule and time constraints.

But the question seems to be answering itself...




So, while my setup is clearly outdated and not perfectly ideal, it does seem to be working.  And although my schedule is a bit weird a lot of the time, it's a social schedule not an employment one, so if I *have* to be home, I generally can be.  There's just no way I can pull off 3-4 misting and fannings a day, *every* day.

Btw, I haven't rolled because so far every jar has started significant in-jar pins a day or two after 100% colinization, or even before absolute 100%, long before the week consolidation I've been wanting to give.  (The kit came with tall half pints which I've read that's fairly common with, going to grab wide mouth shorties for the next batch)

Also, the mushroom on the second cake from the left is the pin that fell off in the zip lock while dunking, and was just loosely sitting on the side if the cake held on by moisture.  It totally just kept growing, the resilient little bastard. Lol


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: Sivarted]
    #22134965 - 08/24/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is the contaminated jar. Like I said, I've been keeping it just to see what happens, not to ever do anything with it.

Most of my jars were inoculated only at one point (18 jars, one syringe, wanted to make sure I had enough to go around), but as I got to the end I had plenty of sokution, so I did 2 points on 3 jars and all 4 on one.  This was one of the jars I did two points on, one side was clean, the other went green, and then they met in the middle:



For a while it looked like the green was going to kick the shit out of the myc, but today this is the side that started white:



And this is the side that started green:



Originally it was half and half, but the myc has wrapped all the way around, and there are even some pins starting to push through the green at the top there.

Anyway, like I said, totally never going to open this jar, but it's been kind of fascinating to watch from a first-timer's perspective. Lol


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: Inocuole]
    #22135118 - 08/24/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Get rid of that jar, you're just watching layers of mold colonize over each other at this point.  Cubensis never beats green.  Talking to a jar of mold... :hehehe:


srry but this is far frm fact. cubensis never beats mold.  i have saved countless jars strickened with green mold  it may not hav been trich but it was a green mold all i ever do is iso the jar in a temp btween 40 to 50 degrees and white will win .i usually just fruit the jar to not disturb the new netwrk in case theres some greenies hidin out in the middle. and i get good flushes off it matter of fact the jar in my gallery with bob marley is 1 of those jars and in that jar green outweighed white 60 to 40 and still came out the victor with 3 decent flushes .  fact


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22135135 - 08/24/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well the reason for not wanting to ever open the jar would be to not release a fuckton of mold spores into my house. Definitely not anywhere near the healthy ones for sure.  :smile:

The myc does seem to be winning though, and maybe even using the mold as sort of a casing layer?  Haha


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: Sivarted]
    #22135151 - 08/24/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

dude trust me lower the temps it willl win then just case the grains and it will fruit


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22135350 - 08/24/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well the reason for not wanting to ever open the jar would be to not release a fuckton of mold spores into my house. Definitely not anywhere near the healthy ones for sure.  :smile:

The myc does seem to be winning though, and maybe even using the mold as sort of a casing layer?  Haha



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dude trust me lower the temps it willl win then just case the grains and it will fruit



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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: cronicr]
    #22136029 - 08/24/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

u can face palm all u want dude . i know what im doin


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22136042 - 08/24/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

wait....are you telling me that lowering temps and casing it will beat mold lol? or am i missing something here? get those jars in the trash op there is no win to be had there


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: cronicr]
    #22136050 - 08/24/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:

The mold will continue to grow, just slower :lol:. I think you're talking about colonizing in JARS. We don't spike temps above 80f because contams prefer the higher temps. If they're already molded then you're already fucked.


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: taGyo]
    #22136064 - 08/24/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yes bros in the jars ive beaten contams many times then cased them and fruited those succesfully


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22136074 - 08/24/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

shift your focus from"how to beat contams" to"how to not get any in the first place"  you never beat contams


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22136084 - 08/24/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

temps around 50 slows mold more than the myc and it eventually gains the upper hand and fully colonizs


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22136105 - 08/24/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22136159 - 08/24/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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temps around 50 slows mold more than the myc and it eventually gains the upper hand and fully colonizs





Thought you might find this thread enlightening.  It's 5 years old by the way.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10993314#10993314


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: cronicr]
    #22136160 - 08/24/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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shift your focus from"how to beat contams" to"how to not get any in the first place"  you never beat contams



ur obviously missing the point no biggie .i gotta  say sometimes i dont know how the people we look 2 fr info that are supposed 2 kno more than us dnt kno some of these things .i mean this is something i just stumbled onto during a winter i put a contamd rye master out of my greehouse into the rootcellar at 50dgrs and 2 weeks later it was healed and ready 2 fruit since then ive done it with any contamd jars and most of em come outa it and can b frted . however it will only wrk with green molds .no dice with bacillus or cobwb try it . youlll c what i mean


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Re: Newbie on their first grow who has done all the wrong things [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22136172 - 08/24/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

shit goes moldy in my fridge all the time yet my plates barely budge so i'm not buying it


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