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Flamer
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What would you change about this tek? (noob help)
#22124976 - 08/21/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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FIRST POST! Hope I'm doing it right.
Well I ordered some syringes of 'B+' and plan on starting soon with the basic stuff. I think I'll go off of this video I found. Maybe you've seen it. I've watched it like 3 times now. I hope I attach it right. It's called 'Mushroom Growing made Easy'.
youtube.com/watch?v=tJWHsWgiYIg
So the question is- What would you change? Based on some other stuff I've read some things I'm considering are...
They say complete darkness for incubation, and that incubation should be at 86 degrees, then drop to 76 for fruiting, and I think those have been disputed here.
I've seen some pictures where people put polyfill in the fruiting chamber holes. And if I do that do I still have to open the lid and fan it regularly like they say?
They don't mention anything about "dunk and roll" in the video if I remember correctly. Isn't that the thing that makes you able to have 3/4 flushes? So how would I apply that here? Because 3 or 4 flushes, yes please.
And anything else you want to address about it.
Oh and with the aborts, just to clarify, you harvest those at each flush and dry them and eat them like you would the big ones, right?
As you can see by my colorful profile, I'm new and probably very ignorant compared to all of you. Thanks A LOT for the help. I really think I've found the right hobby.
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cronicr



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Re: What would you change about this tek? (noob help) [Re: Flamer]
#22125075 - 08/21/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh god do not follow that crap video! www.mushroomvideos.com
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PussyFart
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Re: What would you change about this tek? (noob help) [Re: Flamer]
#22125085 - 08/21/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Flamer said: FIRST POST! Hope I'm doing it right.
Well I ordered some syringes of 'B+' and plan on starting soon with the basic stuff. I think I'll go off of this video I found. Maybe you've seen it. I've watched it like 3 times now. I hope I attach it right. It's called 'Mushroom Growing made Easy'.
youtube.com/watch?v=tJWHsWgiYIg
Great, now forget everything in the video.....90% of it is bullshit or outdated...... Watch these videos..... www.mushroomvideos.com and anything else in my signature....that is, if you want up to date info and not info from the 70s.....
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Flamer said: So the question is- What would you change? Based on some other stuff I've read some things I'm considering are...
They say complete darkness for incubation, and that incubation should be at 86 degrees, then drop to 76 for fruiting, and I think those have been disputed here.
They have, both are bullshit......
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Flamer said: I've seen some pictures where people put polyfill in the fruiting chamber holes. And if I do that do I still have to open the lid and fan it regularly like they say?
They don't mention anything about "dunk and roll" in the video if I remember correctly. Isn't that the thing that makes you able to have 3/4 flushes? So how would I apply that here? Because 3 or 4 flushes, yes please.
Polyfill is for monotubs, not SGFCs, and no, a monotub should not require manual misting or fanning.
Dunk and roll refers to BRF(PF Tek) cakes......always dunk cakes for 24 full hours in cool tap water, then roll in dry verm and place in the fruiting chamber.....misting them a few hours later until the verm is moist.
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Flamer said: Oh and with the aborts, just to clarify, you harvest those at each flush and dry them and eat them like you would the big ones, right?
Si
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Edited by PussyFart (08/21/15 11:42 PM)
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Re: What would you change about this tek? (noob help) [Re: PussyFart]
#22125095 - 08/21/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Light, Temperature, and Pinning Triggers...
Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.
Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.
Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.
P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.
Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.
You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.
You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.
Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.
Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.
The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 83F , and contams thrive.
Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.
Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years. Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Mushrooms don't use light for direction of growth. Mushrooms grown in total darkness will still grow straight up, opposite gravity.Mushrooms turn towards the light because they are using it as a source of energy. That's why mushrooms grown with the proper amount and spectrum of light grow much larger and heavier than mushrooms grown with insufficient light. It's also why light is just as important during the growth phase as it is during the pinning stage. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13263705#13263705
LCs From Spores... LCs from spores are sketchy. No spore syringe/print is ever 100% clean.
This is because the cap from which the spores came was more than likely fruited in the open air.
You cannot know 100% if an LC is good or not by visual inspection.
Test jars must be shot up and grown out.
Conditions are not correct for germination of spores in sugar LCs, grain LCs or extra light malt extract based LCs are perfect for spore germination.
For best results, make LCs from a fully colonized grain jar(GLC) or from an agar wedge.
Or skip LC entirely and just G2G(Grain to Grain) transfers to expand your mycellium.
Proper SGFC
A proper SGFC should have 1/4"(6mm) holes spaced 2" apart in a grid pattern on all 6 sides(top and bottom).
The chamber must also be raised so that air can pass up thru the bottom holes, and wick up moisture from the water evaporating off the perlite, this will create a very humid environment inside the chamber.
A SGFC works off of the natural air currents in a room with no fans, mess with those currents and your humidity drops.
FAE
FAE = Fresh Air Exchange.
Lack of FAE leads to aerial mycellium, and mycellium crawling up the stems, or "fuzzy feet".
Bulging mycellium around the cake is sometimes an indicator that the cakes needed more time after full colonization for consolidation.
Heat and Potency
This info gets repeated daily...
The actives in muchrooms dont break down until FAR past 300F, while most dehydrators never make it past 165F.
I use my dehydrator that gets to 150F+ for 12 hours and I get completely dry fruits with no potency loss.
Psilocybin & Psilocin Chemistry
Use Heat!
SHIT THAT GETS REPEATED DAILY
Please do not refer to spawning a bulk substrate as a casing. Coir/verm is bulk substrate material.
They used to refer to a bulk substrate as a casing, but now it just adds confusion. Its called a spawning to a bulk substrate, not casing.
A casing layer is a non nutritious top layer usually applied to a fully colonized bulk substrate for moisture retention and pinning. When you do this it is called casing, see where it can get confusing?
P.Cubensis do no benefit from a casing layer.(usually)
*CASINGS*
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RogerRabbit said: One more thing:
You guys seriously need to stop referring to your substrate trays as 'casings'. That is an incorrect term unless all you have is a casing layer and no manure, grains, or anything. Nobody grows mushrooms on 'casings', period.
The casing layer is only the top layer on a colonized bulk substrate, nothing else. 'Casing' sure as hell isn't a name for a mushroom growing project. RR
*METABOLITES / MYC PISS*
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RogerRabbit said: Mycelium does not urinate, does not have a bladder, and there is no such thing as myc piss. Why this horrible disinformation persists after we've known for over 50 years that these liquids are antibiotic and released in response to bacteria is beyond comprehension. Next time you get sick, ask the doctor for a myc piss shot instead of antibiotics and see him look at you like you just bumped your head or fell off a turnip truck. If your grains are infected, there will be metabolites. If you've colonized at above normal room temperature, bacteria has been stimulated and thus the metabolites. RR
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RogerRabbit said: It's not even a waste product, and people who call it piss are ignorant. The liquid is excreted to help break down the substrate, and in a different formulation is produced to fight contaminant molds and bacteria. These are the products antibiotics are made of.
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RogerRabbit said: Mycelium does not urinate, not is it infused with bacteria. Metabolites are anti-bacterial in fact. Mix it with water and use it on your plants. It's an excellent fertilizer. RR
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RogerRabbit said: The mycelium secretes enzymes to help break down the substrate for digestion and also to help ward off competitors. If you're using excessive temperature or have excessive contaminants, you'll have more of these secretions, which have nothing to do with urination. RR
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RogerRabbit said: These enzymes can be many colors, including red. RR
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RogerRabbit said: These enzymes are secreted to help break down substrate materials and also to help ward off competing organisms. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Also remember the pH will naturally swing towards acidic as the mycelium secretes enzymes to break down the substrate. Use gypsum to help prevent it from going too low. RR
*Overlay*
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RogerRabbit said: Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.
A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now. 
What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.
I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day. Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay. Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9467709#9467709
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RogerRabbit said: I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate. It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17163830#17163830
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
Edited by PussyFart (08/21/15 11:44 PM)
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Flamer
90% water cultivator

Registered: 08/21/15
Posts: 23
Loc: your mom's vagina
Last seen: 7 years, 5 months
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Re: What would you change about this tek? (noob help) [Re: PussyFart]
#22125132 - 08/21/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well Jesus, OK. Abort mission. Got it.
"Let's Grow Mushrooms!" it is.
That was a legit response, PussyFart, so thanks for that.
I trust you guys so I'll abide like the Dude.
Tanku
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cronicr



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Re: What would you change about this tek? (noob help) [Re: Flamer]
#22125194 - 08/22/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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