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Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday?
    #22124907 - 08/21/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Is it safe to take it everyday? Will there be any after effects?


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Goddess of Beauty]
    #22124920 - 08/21/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It is safe. You will quickly build a tolerance and will need to take larger doses each day to get the same effects.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: healing]
    #22124927 - 08/21/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It'd be safe but a waste of time as your tolerance builds very fast


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Goddess of Beauty]
    #22124933 - 08/21/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it safe to take it everyday? Will there be any after effects?



for me i can take 5 grams one day and trip hyperspace and take the same dose next day and maybe get tracers


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: healing]
    #22124984 - 08/21/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It is safe. You will quickly build a tolerance and will need to take larger doses each day to get the same effects.




IT IS NOT SAFE

u will build a tolerance, but u might also experienced temporary madness, i.e. having crazy delusions, etc..

they are very subtle in the way that they affect u negatively from abusing them, so subtle that one might even notice it unless they know exactly what it is they are doing, but even then u're still playing with fire.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: healing]
    #22125580 - 08/22/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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healing said:
It is safe. You will quickly build a tolerance and will need to take larger doses each day to get the same effects.




So what's the best interval of days to take mushrooms? Every 3, 2 or 4 days? The minimum? I wanna start taking it as frequent as possible.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Goddess of Beauty]
    #22125597 - 08/22/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Every 14 days at the least.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Goddess of Beauty]
    #22125625 - 08/22/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well... if you are already experiencing mild psychosis.... then you may experience strong psychosis.
The shamans say the mushroom is unpredictable, and this is true!

Eat them when you need to and learn.
Take what you learn and apply it to your life but dont abuse. Thats my advice.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #22125629 - 08/22/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

IMO the ideal amount of time to wait in between trips for someone who is trying to avoid tolerance, yet still trip as frequently as possible I find 1 week works well. I try to wait as long as I can in between trips, but I usually lose patience after waiting a little over a week.
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As for it being safe: Well physically safe I would say that's true, but mentally it's really not wise to put your brain through that experience multiple times a week over an extended period of time.

In the beginning of this month I tripped 3 days in a row and found no real loss in effects until the 3rd day. In fact I found my trip on day 2 was better then my trip on day 1 by a whole shitload even though the dose was the same. Could have been a difference in potency perhaps, but the strain was the same and they were dried the same way so I'm not sure.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #22125642 - 08/22/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well... if you are already experiencing mild psychosis.... then you may experience strong psychosis.
The shamans say the mushroom is unpredictable, and this is true!

Eat them when you need to and learn.
Take what you learn and apply it to your life but dont abuse. Thats my advice.


The brain is not a toy, but if you play yo-yo with it enough, you will increase the likelihood of knotting up the string...




Hit the nail on the fuckin head.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: mushmagic]
    #22126478 - 08/22/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How about take a large amount once and see if you still want to take more. If you take 5 grams or even 3.5 for that matter with no tolerance by yourself in the woods and you want to trip again the next day only seems like to me you just wanna get high on something or are trying to use them to cure something you have neither is gonna work using them that frequently. You should be so awestruck by an experience you don't want to trip again at least for a little while, may sound like your not getting what you want out of them, mushrooms are used as tools to provide new perspective to your life, you should learn from what they teach and enjoy the perspective change outlook on life and try to be the best person you can be. You will know when it's time when you have met that "goal" or "distance" in between trips where you essentially evolve as a person, well then the mushrooms will be calling your name, don't call the mushroom upon you that's only asking for unwanted risks, mushrooms should be taken seriously and done in the right environment with the right mindstate, they have POWERFUL effects potentially life changing


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #22126492 - 08/22/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not safe for others, but safe for me, perhaps, if dosed correctly.  I had an amazing syrian rue regimen for 1x month daily, 3x a day @ 2 grams each dose.  Adding a pinch of shroom dust would have been wonderful, if not for the psychedelia, but the light 5ht agonism... mmmmm....


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: mushmagic]
    #22126622 - 08/22/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

getting permafried maybe?

just kiddin , but seriously all posts from OP got me like... :whateveryousayfreak:


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Goddess of Beauty]
    #22126639 - 08/22/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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healing said:
It is safe. You will quickly build a tolerance and will need to take larger doses each day to get the same effects.




So what's the best interval of days to take mushrooms? Every 3, 2 or 4 days? The minimum? I wanna start taking it as frequent as possible.




Two weeks. I wouldn't recommend taking them as often as possible, though. You get used to the experience and it stops being mind-blowing.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #22126658 - 08/22/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's not dangerous, but I can tell you from experience that it is exhausting


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Every 14 days at the least.



This, and also the longer you wait, the better.

You could wait every 7 days, and you'll still trip, but the magic won't be there.  The longer you wait, and the more you prepare, the more you will get out of it.  Eating them on a regular basis is a waste.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22127380 - 08/22/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I wish someone would mix Rue or Moclobemide with Shrooms and try using it for a few days to a week straight, and see if the Rue/Moclobemide removes the tolerance from the Shrooms.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22127915 - 08/22/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've done high doses of shrooms around 30 times and the tolerance will stop you. There is no such thing as taking shrooms every day or even every week......get that outta your head right now.

In my experience you need a minimum of 14 days in between trips but even then it won't be as good. You should really wait 30 days if you want to have a great trip.

I've done 12 grams(many times) and it is/was beyond amazing, but then 2 weeks later I did 12 grams again from the same batch and it was still good, but not as amazing as the previous one. It takes a lot of time to really get it all out if your system.

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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Goddess of Beauty]
    #22128920 - 08/22/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it safe to take it everyday? Will there be any after effects?




Sure you can, at least if your liver is healthy and you're reasonably fit.  But you'll need to take a couple days off each week due to the exhaustion of tripping that often.  And you're gonna want to grow them, because after about a week you'll be at 4x the normal dose to combat tolerance.  Good news is tolerance maxes out at that point.  Bad news is that's a WHOLE lot of mushrooms, nearly half a lb fresh a day of normal shrooms, so get acquainted with the more powerful strains.  I recommend making tea if you want to do it, otherwise you'll be puking your guts out every time.

There will be MASSIVE aftereffects, from obvious to subtle, as well as things that are completely inexplicable - and that's what's interesting about doing it, IMHO.  You won't be just TALKING to god - you'll essentially BECOME god temporarily, as your boundaries dissolve - and most people are seriously not ready for that.  If you think you are, then read on...

If you're deluded currently or after your first few trips you'll become functionally something like insane after a while.  You have to work up to it.  I tripped hundreds of time, spaced out normally, before I ever started doubling up on days, and closer to 700 times before being able to handle the side effects that come with daily use, even for 3-5 days out of the week.

Just ask god or the mushroom spirits if this is something you can do successfully.  If you can't they'll pull your plug right quick... :shrug:


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: BTL99]
    #22129376 - 08/23/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've done high doses of shrooms around 30 times and the tolerance will stop you. There is no such thing as taking shrooms every day or even every week......get that outta your head right now.




But have you mixed them with MAO-A inhibition to see if the tolerance is still there? In my mind, i can picture taking say, 2 grams of Shrooms with either Moclobemide or Rue, for a few days, and i'm thinking the tolerance wouldn't be there. Idk, i just get this hunch that Shrooms combined with MAO-A inhibition would allow it to be used more regularly. I myself wouldn't mind trying, and might try sometime soon, hopefully.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #22129481 - 08/23/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We know. Stop.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22129498 - 08/23/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The minimum price you pay for extended use is, IF you're healthy, is when you stop, there's a period of a few days when your serotonin levels reset - it's a restricted or constricted affect, to put it in psych terms.  Everything seems flat and 2 dimensional - sort of an "anti-trip".  Unless you have compelling reasons to want to go there, don't. It's not pleasant at all, but it is tolerable.

If you mix an MAO-A inhibitor you just potentiate them and that's still going to result in tolerance.  Tolerance is your body reacting to the change in neurochemistry produced by the sum total of the circulating psilocin, and the inhibitor increases that exposure to yield the stronger effects.  You CAN'T avoid it.

The standard advice is still the best - s p a c e  t h e m  o u t.  I haven't tripped heavily since summer of last year...


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22129621 - 08/23/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Idk if it's safe but it's not fun and pretty wasteful. Coming from someone with experience I tried it once. But with acid, I tripped the night before hand had nice visuals and head space this was off one tab. I had another tab saved that I was going to keep for that one lonely day when you don't got shit to do. I wake up the next morning because i tripped during the day and wanted to trip again so bad so I just said fuck it and took it. Off the same sheet results was, it was still fun but north worth it. Would of had a way better experience saving it for a later time. I smoked weed on it and the whole thing didn't really feel like a trip more like a intense high. Like I had a little bit of the headspace but very minor visuals. There was practically none. The best i can explain it is is this. Most of the time on acid you know your tripping on this I was like I felt a little bit of acid but not a lot. Like I didn't know i was tripping but it was a totally different experience then a regular fresh trip. It was like a 6 hour strong weed high I can describe it. IMO you need to up your dose to achieve the same experience. Probably about double your original so if you took 1 take 2 etc. but dude it really isn't worth it your going to get bored of being high for that long and it takes the magic out of acid.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Neji]
    #22130756 - 08/23/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It requires a lot of planning.  Not something you'd want to do just for shits and giggles. :shrug:

You need 50% more each successive day (with shrooms) until you get to 4x the original dose, which then stays the same as long as you can stand it - full blown trips, visuals, mindfuck, whatever you normally get.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22130915 - 08/23/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You can trip fairly often if you respect set and setting.  You can trip once and have a psychotic episode if you don't.

I wouldn't suggest tripping daily.  Kinda hard to get shit done.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22130940 - 08/23/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If MAO-A inhibition up-regulates the Serotonergic receptors, it could very well remove the tolerance from Shrooms. If someone hasn't tried it out before, i certainly will sometime soon.

The reason for tolerance with Shrooms, is the same as any other tolerance, the receptors get activated and down-regulated, as the receptors are down-regulated, tolerance builds, the same goes most pharmaceuticals as well, since you have to increase the dose as you continue taking it. But, if you can counteract that down-regulation with up-regulation, it should take away the tolerance. So i'm very interested in seeing what Shrooms plus Rue or Moclobemide has to offer on a daily basis. If tolerance kicks in, oh well, i guess it can't be done. But if the tolerance does not occur when Shrooms are mixed with MAO-A inhibition, then that's wonderful.

But yeah, Rue does more than just potentiate Psilocybin from MAO-A inhibition, it also potentiates it from CYP liver enzyme inhibition, which is the real potentiater and not the MAO-A inhibition, i believe. I take a pharmaceutical called Tizanidine to help me get to sleep at night, and i've come to find out that the Tizanidine is potentiated quite a good bit from the Rue, even 7 to 8 hours after first taking the Rue, and it's clearly not the MAO-A inhibition potentiating it because i tried the same with Moclobemide and nadda. So there's definitely more to the potentiation of things by Rue, than just MAO-A inhibition.

And idk, like i said, i just have a hunch that Shrooms with MAO-A inhibition could very well remove the tolerance build up, and i'll try it out soon, i do have some wildly picked Shrooms i got from a friend, so perhaps i'll give it a shot in the next few days or so.

Been taking Mimosa with Moclobemide for the past 5 or so days, no tolerance build up, no loss of effects/magic, it's great medicine for me, which i'm hoping Shrooms will be too, especially with the longer duration.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22130987 - 08/23/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There's some evidence that THH boosts the density levels of serotonin receptors for several weeks after ingestion.  This is Ayahuasca though, not Rue.

"When Callaway ran SPECT scans of his own brain following 6 weeks of daily THH ingestion he found that the density of central 5-HT receptors in his prefrontal cortex had increased. After discontinuing the THH administration he reported a return to normal levels over the course of the next several weeks."

https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/ayahuasca_apa/aya_sec1_modernstudies.shtml

There's also pharmaceuticals that are 5ht2a inverse agonists (upregulators).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HT2A_receptor

I'd be careful with these though.  I read of someone taking a gram of shrooms and getting really fucked up because they were on one of these meds.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22131343 - 08/23/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If MAO-A inhibition up-regulates the Serotonergic receptors, it could very well remove the tolerance from Shrooms. If someone hasn't tried it out before, i certainly will sometime soon.

The reason for tolerance with Shrooms, is the same as any other tolerance, the receptors get activated and down-regulated, as the receptors are down-regulated, tolerance builds, the same goes most pharmaceuticals as well, since you have to increase the dose as you continue taking it. But, if you can counteract that down-regulation with up-regulation, it should take away the tolerance. So i'm very interested in seeing what Shrooms plus Rue or Moclobemide has to offer on a daily basis. If tolerance kicks in, oh well, i guess it can't be done. But if the tolerance does not occur when Shrooms are mixed with MAO-A inhibition, then that's wonderful.

But yeah, Rue does more than just potentiate Psilocybin from MAO-A inhibition, it also potentiates it from CYP liver enzyme inhibition, which is the real potentiater and not the MAO-A inhibition, i believe. I take a pharmaceutical called Tizanidine to help me get to sleep at night, and i've come to find out that the Tizanidine is potentiated quite a good bit from the Rue, even 7 to 8 hours after first taking the Rue, and it's clearly not the MAO-A inhibition potentiating it because i tried the same with Moclobemide and nadda. So there's definitely more to the potentiation of things by Rue, than just MAO-A inhibition.

And idk, like i said, i just have a hunch that Shrooms with MAO-A inhibition could very well remove the tolerance build up, and i'll try it out soon, i do have some wildly picked Shrooms i got from a friend, so perhaps i'll give it a shot in the next few days or so.

Been taking Mimosa with Moclobemide for the past 5 or so days, no tolerance build up, no loss of effects/magic, it's great medicine for me, which i'm hoping Shrooms will be too, especially with the longer duration.




Personally, I think you're asking for trouble, but what the hell do I know. :lol:  It's the reason I've never used any kind of potentiator - just grow more.

Typically though, I'd expect that if this DID work as you think it would already be well known because it definitely has been tried, like so many things.  And who wouldn't welcome a get-out-of-tolerance free card?  Hell, I'd trip as often as I could with that. :awesomenod:

The mechanism as I understand it is that it increases the lifetime of psilocin in the bloodstream before degradation, which has the effect of increasing the serum levels over time, and that would most likely be because it affects the liver's degradation process somehow.

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MAOIs act by inhibiting the activity of monoamine oxidase, thus preventing the breakdown of monoamine neurotransmitters and thereby increasing their availability. There are two isoforms of monoamine oxidase, MAO-A and MAO-B. MAO-A preferentially deaminates serotonin, melatonin, epinephrine, and norepinephrine. MAO-B preferentially deaminates phenethylamine and certain other trace amines; in contrast, MAO-A preferentially deaminates other trace amines, like tyramine, whereas dopamine is equally deaminated by both types.




The brain's response to psilocin is a typical homeostasis feedback loop - tolerance sets in rapidly (within a couple hours of ingestion at most, verified by what happens when you wait to long to re-up during a trip) and it wears off slowly, over days.  It's a fast stabilizing response to a sudden destabilizing input. 

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The MAOIs are infamous for their numerous drug interactions, including the following kinds of substances:
· Substances that are metabolized by monoamine oxidase, as they can be boosted by up to several-fold.
· Substances that increase serotonin, norepinephrine, or dopamine activity, as too much of any of these neurochemicals can result in severe acute consequences, including serotonin syndrome,hypertensive crisis, and psychosis, respectively.
Such substances that can react with MAOIs include:
· Phenethylamines: 2C-B, Mescaline, Phenethylamine (PEA), etc.
· Amphetamines: Amphetamine,[38] MDMA, Dextroamphetamine, Methamphetamine, DOM, etc.
· Tryptamines: DMT, Psilocin/Psilocybin ("Magic Mushrooms"), etc.
· Lysergamides: Ergolines/LSA, LSD ("Acid"), etc.
· Serotonin, Norepinephrine, and/or Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors:
· Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs): Citalopram, Dapoxetine, Escitalopram, Fluoxetine, Fluvoxamine, Paroxetine, Sertraline.
· Serotonin-Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors (SNRIs): Desvenlafaxine, Duloxetine, Milnacipran, Venlafaxine.
· Norepinephrine-Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors (NDRIs): Amineptine, Bupropion, Methylphenidate, Nomifensine.
· Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors (NRIs): Atomoxetine, Mazindol, Reboxetine.
· Tricyclic Antidepressants (TCAs): Amitriptyline, Butriptyline, Clomipramine, Desipramine, Dosulepin, Doxepin, Imipramine, Lofepramine, Nortriptyline, Protriptyline, Trimipramine.
· Tetracyclic Antidepressants (TeCAs): Amoxapine, Maprotiline.
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· Others: Brompheniramine, Chlorpheniramine, Cocaine, Cyclobenzaprine, Dextromethorphan (DXM), Ketamine, MDPV, Nefazodone, Phencyclidine (PCP), Pheniramine, Sibutramine,Trazodone.
· Serotonin, Norepinephrine, and/or Dopamine Releasers: 4-Methylaminorex (4-MAR), Amphetamine, Benzphetamine, Cathine, Cathinone, Diethylcathinone, Ephedrine, Levmetamfetamine,Lisdexamfetamine, MDMA ("Ecstasy"), Methamphetamine, Pemoline, Phendimetrazine, Phenethylamine (PEA), Phentermine, Propylhexedrine, Pseudoephedrine, Phenylephrine, Tyramine.
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· Local and General anesthetic in surgery and dentistry in particular those containing Epinephrine. There is no universally taught or accepted practice regarding dentistry and use of MAOIs such as Phenelzine and it is, therefore, vital to inform all clinicians especially dentists of the potential effect of MAOIs and Local Anesthesia. In preparation for dental work, withdrawal from Phenelzine is specifically advised, however since this takes two weeks it is not always a desirable or practical option. Dentists using Local Anesthesia are advised to use a non-epinephrine anesthetic such as Carbocaine at a level of 3%. Specific attention should be paid to blood pressure during the procedure and the level of the anesthetic should be regularly and appropriately topped up since non-epinephrine anestetics take longer to come into effect and wear off faster. Patients taking Phenelzine are advised to notify their Psychiatrist prior to any dental treatment.
· Certain other supplements: Hypericum perforatum ("St John's Wort"), Inositol, Rhodiola rosea, S-Adenosyl-L-Methionine (SAMe), L-Theanine.
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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Goddess of Beauty]
    #22131356 - 08/23/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it safe to take it everyday? Will there be any after effects?




Is this question out of curiosity? or are you wanting to eat mushrooms everyday? or have you been eating mushrooms everyday and are now worried of the side effects?


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    #22131610 - 08/23/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

@ PrimalSoup

My thing is, i have Aspergers/Autism or whatever, diagnosed as ADHD but pretty sure i'm Autistic, and have been through practically every pharmaceutical Psychiatrists have to offer.... then i found Ayahuasca. Ayahuasca helps me feel more normal, and while i'm on it, my life is enhanced quite a bit and i can function better. Ayahuasca can be many things, can be used for many things, it has much potential, and so i view it more from a medicinal perspective, though i certainly fully 100% respect it and use it responsibly.

That said though, when i can bring myself to take it, i've used it daily every now and then since 2012, but there have definitely been some long breaks every so often. And it got me wondering about Shrooms and if they could be used how i'm using oral DMT, medicinally, and the only thing stopping me from doing that is tolerance, which idk i just have a feeling that Rue or Moclobemide could help to remove the tolerance from Shrooms. If anything, Rue could be used to help lower the dosage of Shrooms needed.

Plus, while Shrooms by themselves are probably no doubt awesome (haven't had much time with them yet), i'm more of an Ayahuasca guy and for me the MAO-A inhibition and some of the other stuff that Rue does, makes for a wonderful medicine and has effects that are more to my liking, even outbeats LSD in my opinion, though i've only had one 300mcg LSD experience. Now, i know DMT and Psilocin are different, but i can imagine them providing similar medicinal benefits for me. If i could grow an abundance of Shrooms, i would, and probably could if i really put the effort into it. But i'd like to see if i could potentially remove the tolerance from it, so maybe it'll work, maybe it won't.

One thought i've had a few times before though is using 1 to 2 grams of Shrooms with Ayahuasca, like work out the ratio between the Shrooms and the Mimosa or Acacia, and have a pretty wild time lol. I one time included about 600 to 700mgs of Shroom powder (potent pink buffalos, homegrown) and i could definitely tell that it synergized with the Acacia, enhanced the visual activity, and made for a much more giggly experience. lol.

I like mixing things together, you can get different kinds of effects or experiences by combining things rather than just taking something by itself.

As for the potential consequences of mixing Shrooms, DMT, perhaps even LSD, Mescaline, as well as many different kinds of plants, with a reversible inhibitor of MAO-A such as Rue or Moclobemide, i'm well aware one needs to be safe and cautious, but the whole "serotonin syndrome, hypertensive crisis, and psychosis" isn't really a concern, for me at least. I've suffered SS from some pharmaceuticals i used to be on, so i know how that feels and have never experienced it with Ayahuasca or mixing things with Rue or Moclobemide. The hypertensive crisis (high blood pressure) i haven't ever experienced either except for when DMT pumps out that Adrenaline lol, but there's certainly no Tyramine reaction with Rue or Moclobemide, and the psychosis... well, we're taking supposed psychoto-mimetric compounds, and other than the effects of the Psychedelics themselves, i've never personally experienced psychosis. People tend to over-exaggerate the possible negative side-effects/reactions of using an MAO-A inhibitor, which don't get me wrong, there are definitely some things you don't want to mix with them, but even SSRI's for example have been combined with Moclobemide in at least 2 studies and have been shown to have promising results with a pretty good safety profile, as long as the dosage of both the SSRI and MAO-A inhibitor are within a good ratio. My brother takes Zoloft, and has taken Ayahuasca multiple times (though he needs a higher dose than usual of the DMT because of the Zoloft) but the Rue or Moclobemide hasn't ever affected him negatively while on Zoloft. Once again, not saying it's completely safe or anything, so always use caution and be responsible with one's experimentation, but i think RIMA's have wonderful potential in medicine, especially when combined with other things.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22131717 - 08/23/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I took shrooms with Rue.  It was alright but I'm not really a fan of Rue.  Shrooms with Ayahuasca and a touch of ACRB was really nice.

It's changed my perspective on shrooms quite a bit.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22132014 - 08/23/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I took shrooms with Rue.  It was alright but I'm not really a fan of Rue.  Shrooms with Ayahuasca and a touch of ACRB was really nice.

It's changed my perspective on shrooms quite a bit.





Yeah the Rue can be a bit rough sometimes, though i have found that i can clean up how the Rue feels by counteracting Harmaline's GABA-A inverse agonism, which Lemon Balm seems to do a good job at without dulling anything down. When i take Rue with Lemon Balm, it's so clean/clear feeling, but without the Lemon Balm, it can feel a bit raw/dirty. I've been wanting to try some Caapi, and i do have a pound of yellow Caapi that i want to brew up and extract the alkaloids, but i tried extracting from a pound of red Caapi a few months ago and could never get any extract to precipitate out, so i've been put off of Caapi for a bit. How does a Caapi brew taste? I'd imagine freezing and thawing the brew would help to improve taste, but i'd much rather work with a full spectrum freebase extract that can either be encapsulated or smoked.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22132034 - 08/23/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes It Is SAFE !

if your a person who understands and doesn't get Twisted on negative thoughts and stay happy who doesn't care about all that im sure your human life will be successful and lovable !


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22132050 - 08/23/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It tastes like burnt chocolate mixed with dirty socks.  Most horrible thing I've had next to cactus tea which I would describe as 10,000 year old cactus asshole.

Freeze precipitation doesn't work.  A lot of the actives bind to the caramelized sludge.  It's not like ACRB or Mimosa that way.

I find it gentler than Rue, mentally.  If Rue is your brutally honest friend Ayahuasca is your patient therapist and I found the former threw up too many of my defense mechanisms to get much out of.

The purge on both of them is brutal but much more productive for me on Ayahuasca.

I've only taken Rue a few times mind you.  Once I started taking Caapi I didn't look back.

Currently I'm on an SSRI so I don't take either one.  But I recently gave away all my Rue and still have a few doses of Ayahuasca in my freezer for if I ever come back to it.

*edit* There's a cwe somewhere around the net which is supposed to make very potent and much better tasting brew.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Cujllickduo]
    #22132051 - 08/23/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

day 1 - 1g
day 2 - 1.7g
day 3 - 2.6g
day 4 - 3.8g
day 5 - 4.9g
day 6 - 6.0g
day 7 - bankrupt

Stick to once or twice a week maximum n even that's a bit overboard.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22132613 - 08/23/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sabnock - give it a try.  If you know what you're doing you'll be fine.  But something tells me it won't work like you think.  Tripping w/out tolerance buildup would be the holy grail...




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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22132969 - 08/23/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sabnock - give it a try.  If you know what you're doing you'll be fine.  But something tells me it won't work like you think.  Tripping w/out tolerance buildup would be the holy grail...





Thank ya sir :P

Yeah i think i'll be fine, if it does work. I took 1.5 grams of Shrooms with 3 capsules of ground Mimosa root and Moclobemide tonight, the Shrooms even at 1.5 grams seems like a good dose, not strong or anything, but definitely not mild. And i can feel the Mimosa but the characteristics of the experience has changed and seems calmer. I'm possibly going to try taking just Shrooms with Moclobemide tomorrow, perhaps 2.5 to 3 grams, and see how that goes, if it's alright, i'll repeat it again for a few days and see if the effects die down or stay just as strong. Either way, it's worth trying it out i think, at least just to know.

And yeah, if you could remove the tolerance from Shrooms, it probably would be the holy grail, but at least for me the holy grail is Ayahuasca and there's no tolerance there, even Pharmahuasca with Mimosa and Moclobemide, there doesn't seem to be a tolerance.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22133087 - 08/23/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just like shrooms, though I'm thinking about making some DMT to dose up in the middle of a shroom trip with. :awecid:


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22133131 - 08/23/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I just like shrooms, though I'm thinking about making some DMT to dose up in the middle of a shroom trip with. :awecid:



no better yet take 3 grams of shrooms 200mg of harmala salts and 120 mg of dmt if you really want to know what psychedelics are about


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22133151 - 08/23/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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what psychedelics are about




What would that be, then? :llamastare:

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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22133184 - 08/23/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's okay. This thread went way off topic and is pretty interesting.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: PrimalSoup]
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what psychedelics are about




What would that be, then? :llamastare:

On a side note - starting to think the OP is really just a troll...




god speed man your ego will be obliterated and that dust will be the substrate for your new and one consciousness.

No seriously though if you take all of that i just said dont even need the mushrooms really the oral dmt alone is enough to make you see god.


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    #22133308 - 08/23/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:incredible: Oh, same old then. :lol:  Why didn't you just say it...  :yay:


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22133842 - 08/24/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it safe to take it everyday? Will there be any after effects?




Is this question out of curiosity? or are you wanting to eat mushrooms everyday? or have you been eating mushrooms everyday and are now worried of the side effects?




Mushrooms helps me maintain my goodness/virtues. I'm calm, serene and LOVING. The after effect lasts like 5/7 days. When I don't take it I'm tempted to think negatively and sin. Magic mushrooms are food literally for our soul. After realizing Manna of the Bible was in fact magic mushrooms and food of God, so why not take God's food often. :P


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Goddess of Beauty]
    #22133911 - 08/24/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

IT is not SAFE

I KNOW A GUY ATE 1 BUTTON EVERYDAY COUPLE DECADES LATER STOMACH CANCER

You don't want to overkill your body, when you consume anything your body is working to break it down and get rid of it.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Drmantus]
    #22133917 - 08/24/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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IT is not SAFE

I KNOW A GUY ATE 1 BUTTON EVERYDAY COUPLE DECADES LATER STOMACH CANCER

You don't want to overkill your body, when you consume anything your body is working to break it down and get rid of it.




I understand where you're coming from but was there any evidence that that was the cause of the stomach cancer?


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: mushmagic]
    #22133931 - 08/24/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea the Doc told him there was a hole in his stomach and there where large trace amounts of Psilocyn in the cancer.


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very interesting :takingnotes:


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    #22133941 - 08/24/15 04:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Very interested indeed i cannot say this is definite truth.

There is also a chance his Mushroom source was bad
Maybe he also had them saved and was Consuming moldy mushrooms

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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22134602 - 08/24/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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And yeah, if you could remove the tolerance from Shrooms, it probably would be the holy grail, but at least for me the holy grail is Ayahuasca and there's no tolerance there, even Pharmahuasca with Mimosa and Moclobemide, there doesn't seem to be a tolerance.




I think DMT builds less tolerance partially because it's endogenous.  You'd want an inverse 5ht2a agonist to reverse tolerance.  These are generally prescribed as antipsychotics.  Personally I wouldn't mess around with them.

Also Ayahuasca is translated to spirit vine or vine of the dead.  Caling Syrian Rue Ayahuasca is not only a terrible translation it's a bit like calling Shrooms DMT.  They're both RIMAs but Ayahuasca also contains THH, which is a mild SSRI and has shown some long term interaction with serotonin receptor density.  The ratios of harmine and harmaline are also different in Ayahuasca.  B. Caapi (Ayahuasca) reminds me a bit of MDMA when taken by itself.

Hence my comparison of Rue being a brutally honest friend and Ayahuasca being a patient therapist.

*edit*  Sorry if I came off like a dick.  I'd just hate to see someone miss out on Caapi or worse, take 60g of Rue thinking it was Ayahuasca.


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    #22134725 - 08/24/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Every 14 days at the least.




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    #22135166 - 08/24/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think DMT builds less tolerance partially because it's endogenous.  You'd want an inverse 5ht2a agonist to reverse tolerance.  These are generally prescribed as antipsychotics.  Personally I wouldn't mess around with them.

Also Ayahuasca is translated to spirit vine or vine of the dead.  Caling Syrian Rue Ayahuasca is not only a terrible translation it's a bit like calling Shrooms DMT.  They're both RIMAs but Ayahuasca also contains THH, which is a mild SSRI and has shown some long term interaction with serotonin receptor density.  The ratios of harmine and harmaline are also different in Ayahuasca.  B. Caapi (Ayahuasca) reminds me a bit of MDMA when taken by itself.

Hence my comparison of Rue being a brutally honest friend and Ayahuasca being a patient therapist.

*edit*  Sorry if I came off like a dick.  I'd just hate to see someone miss out on Caapi or worse, take 60g of Rue thinking it was Ayahuasca.




If it's got Harmalas, i personally call it Ayahuasca, as the way i see it, it's the Harmalas themselves that cause Ayahuasca-like effects, Rue is just as good as Caapi in my opinion, though i haven't tried Caapi, Rue has certainly been a REALLY wonderful plant ally and i certainly feel the Spirit of Ayahuasca even within purified Harmala extracts. I mean i know the Caapi vine is technically Ayahuasca, but i look at Ayahuasca as a broad label that contains many plants, principles and teachings. I say you can probably get just as much benefit from Rue as you can with Caapi. Rue and Mimosa has definitely been a therapist for me, and i don't even really need THH, there are other weak/mild natural SRI's that one could add to the mix if they really wanted to, like Kanna for example which i personally have smoked with Rue extract but haven't taken it orally with Rue, which one day i will.

As for 2A receptor inverse agonists, ehhh i'll pass, i think MAO-A inhibition upregulates the Serotonin system pretty good as it is.

Speaking of MDMA though, i've definitely felt some MDMA-like feelings from Rue and Mimosa, especially with other things added to the mix, like Black Pepper capsules for example.

But yeah, last night i took 1.5 grams of Shrooms, 2.5 grams of Mimosa root powder and 375mgs of Moclobemide, and oh man what a night, it was just so lovely and energizing and i felt great, better than i have in over 10 years. Shrooms are definitely worth keeping around imo.


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    #22135249 - 08/24/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If it's got Harmalas, i personally call it Ayahuasca, as the way i see it, it's the Harmalas themselves that cause Ayahuasca-like effects, Rue is just as good as Caapi in my opinion, though i haven't tried Caapi, Rue has certainly been a REALLY wonderful plant ally and i certainly feel the Spirit of Ayahuasca even within purified Harmala extracts.




I have nothing against Rue as a plant teacher, or Aspand as it's called in Persia.  But imagine you're talking to someone and you keep calling them by the wrong name.  If you really want to commune with Ayahuasca take Ayahuasca.  If you want to show respect to Aspand get in touch with Aspand.

And you can't compare the two until you've tried them both.  They're as different as oral dmt and mushrooms.

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I mean i know the Caapi vine is technically Ayahuasca, but i look at Ayahuasca as a broad label that contains many plants, principles and teachings. I say you can probably get just as much benefit from Rue as you can with Caapi.




Ayahuasca is translated spirit vine or vine of the dead.  Aspand isn't a vine.  It's a seed.  I understand that in some communities, especially this one, Ayahuasca has become a misnomer for oral dmt + whatever MAOI.

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Rue and Mimosa has definitely been a therapist for me, and i don't even really need THH, there are other weak/mild natural SRI's that one could add to the mix if they really wanted to, like Kanna for example which i personally have smoked with Rue extract but haven't taken it orally with Rue, which one day i will.





It's cool that you have a good relationships with Rue and that it's been therapeutic for you.  If you've never experienced THH though you don't really have a basis of comparison to say rather or not it adds to the experience.

Again sorry if I'm coming off like a dick, but I don't like to see misinformation spread, especially when that information could lead to someone reading that the dose of Ayahuasca is 60g+ and downing 20x the effective dose of Rue.

*edit*  And for the record I'm not trying to be elitist here.  Some people that have tried them both prefer Rue.  Different strokes, different folks and all of that.

But drug safety is a concern of mine because I don't want to see either of these plants outlawed let alone anyone hurt by them.  Otherwise I'd just let it go.  Potato, tomato.  Call them what you want.  Unless you could get someone hurt.  Then it's best to be clear.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22135288 - 08/24/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Again sorry if I'm coming off like a dick, but I don't like to see misinformation spread, especially when that information could lead to someone reading that the dose of Ayahuasca is 60g+ and downing 20x the effective dose of Rue.




Naw it's no problemo at all, i appreciate the input. However, in my view, the Harmala alkaloids themselves are what causes the Ayahuasca effect, and while THH may very well add something to the mix, i don't think it's exactly necessary for something to be Ayahuasca. Once again, this is just my opinion, and yes Ayahuasca refers to the Caapi vine. But idk, i guess i just look at this stuff a bit differently than most do. Anyone getting themselves into Ayahuasca, would surely look up dosages of the plant they're using. Anyone who is dumb enough to mistake Rue for Caapi and take a large dose of it, that's on them. But yeah, Rue has definitely been a wonderful teacher, a bit rough every now and then but definitely a great teacher. It may not be Caapi, but it's definitely got the Spirit of Ayahuasca in there.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Drmantus]
    #22135559 - 08/24/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Very interested indeed i cannot say this is definite truth.

There is also a chance his Mushroom source was bad
Maybe he also had them saved and was Consuming moldy mushrooms

If there is anything that messes your body up it's Mold
He is not a Fun GI




Yeah I'm not buying that at all, "traces" I bet there were traces of all sorts of sh*t in there as well.

I think if you're in real good shape with a fast metabolism you can do it every 4 days and still get all the magic.

I just don't understand how people can wait a whole month or even 2 weeks. I've done that before in the past and got all ho hum fuk yeah built up on the inside only to have a so so trip.. it can be very disappointing when you realize that "damn it's gonna be a full 2-4 weeks" before I even get a shot at this again.

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    #22135575 - 08/24/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea the Doc told him there was a hole in his stomach and there where large trace amounts of Psilocyn in the cancer.





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    #22135585 - 08/24/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think DMT builds less tolerance partially because it's endogenous.





I suspect it's because the trip is so short lived there's not enough time for the brain to react the same as for durations of an hour or more...


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22135626 - 08/24/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But idk, i guess i just look at this stuff a bit differently than most do. Anyone getting themselves into Ayahuasca, would surely look up dosages of the plant they're using.




I'd hope so but look at what happened with Salvia.  As long as the drug war is going on people will seek out legal or accessible highs.

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Anyone who is dumb enough to mistake Rue for Caapi and take a large dose of it, that's on them.




Until someone gets on a state to criminalize it.  Then it affects us all.


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But yeah, Rue has definitely been a wonderful teacher, a bit rough every now and then but definitely a great teacher. It may not be Caapi, but it's definitely got the Spirit of Ayahuasca in there.




I see Rue and Ayahuasca as facilitators.  Mimosa and Acacia definitely have their own spirit and that presence is going to be there regardless of what MAOI you take.

After taking Ayahuasca and Shrooms I get a lot of Ayahuasca vibe with my Shroom trips.  I think I've talked to Primal Soup a bit about it.  Did you end up taking Shrooms with Rue?  I'm curious if it will impact your later shroom trips the way Ayahuasca has for me.

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    #22135636 - 08/24/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think DMT builds less tolerance partially because it's endogenous.





I suspect it's because the trip is so short lived there's not enough time for the brain to react the same as for durations of an hour or more...




That was my suspicion at first too.  Then I took Ayahuasca three days in a row (pretty standard practice in the jungle).  If anything it just got deeper each day.  :shrug:

*edit*  Maybe reverse tolerance from THH.  I really don't know.


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    #22135866 - 08/24/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said: That was my suspicion at first too.  Then I took Ayahuasca three days in a row (pretty standard practice in the jungle).  If anything it just got deeper each day.  :shrug:

*edit*  Maybe reverse tolerance from THH.  I really don't know.




Yeah you can take Ayahuasca as much as you like, daily if you want to, and it doesn't seem to lose it's magic/effects. And the reverse tolerance definitely comes from the Harmalas, not the THH. Purified Harmala extracts have just as much of a reverse tolerance as Rue or Caapi. I wish i could figure out the dosing for the reverse tolerance though so i can keep my sweet spot dose of MAO-A inhibition but take the Harmalas on a daily basis, cutting back on the dosage as it gets stronger.


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    #22135883 - 08/24/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting.  Yeah, now I'm really curious if the same thing would happen with Shrooms.

Unfortunately I can't take Rue or Caapi right now.


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    #22135922 - 08/24/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Interesting.  Yeah, now I'm really curious if the same thing would happen with Shrooms.

Unfortunately I can't take Rue or Caapi right now.




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    #22136150 - 08/24/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think DMT builds less tolerance partially because it's endogenous.





I suspect it's because the trip is so short lived there's not enough time for the brain to react the same as for durations of an hour or more...




That was my suspicion at first too.  Then I took Ayahuasca three days in a row (pretty standard practice in the jungle).  If anything it just got deeper each day.  :shrug:

*edit*  Maybe reverse tolerance from THH.  I really don't know.




Well, the same thing happens with shrooms you know, just adjust for apparently inevitable tolerance.  For me the only way worth tripping is to have at least a week to devote to getting deeper into it each day.  Going at it every couple weeks is superficial IME, although I found that sufficient for a very long time - until I learned the better way. :thumbup:


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    #22137193 - 08/24/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I may try that.

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Interesting.  Yeah, now I'm really curious if the same thing would happen with Shrooms.

Unfortunately I can't take Rue or Caapi right now.




Why not?




I'm on an SSRI.


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    #22137468 - 08/24/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said: I'm on an SSRI.




You can probably get off that, and fully commit to something like Ayahuasca. The MAO-A inhibition definitely does well for the Serotonin system. Try checking out Moclobemide, it does seem like a good anti-depressant, especially when plants are added to the equation lol.


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    #22137533 - 08/24/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I like the SSRI.  I struggled a lot with the decision and experimented with microcoding Rue, Ayahuasca, and Shrooms.  In my experience none of them have the half life I needed for mood stability.  Ayahuasca and Shrooms helped me with the decision.

Someday I may go off it but I'm happy with it for now and get more enjoyment from both weed and Shrooms since I started taking it.

I like to tell people that I've always enjoyed serotogenic drugs and wanted to be on them 24/7.  Now I am.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22137735 - 08/24/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well... if you are already experiencing mild psychosis.... then you may experience strong psychosis.
The shamans say the mushroom is unpredictable, and this is true!

Eat them when you need to and learn.
Take what you learn and apply it to your life but dont abuse. Thats my advice.


The brain is not a toy, but if you play yo-yo with it enough, you will increase the likelihood of knotting up the string...




Hit the nail on the fuckin head.




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