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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22133217 - 08/23/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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what psychedelics are about




What would that be, then? :llamastare:

On a side note - starting to think the OP is really just a troll...




god speed man your ego will be obliterated and that dust will be the substrate for your new and one consciousness.

No seriously though if you take all of that i just said dont even need the mushrooms really the oral dmt alone is enough to make you see god.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22133308 - 08/23/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:incredible: Oh, same old then. :lol:  Why didn't you just say it...  :yay:


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22133842 - 08/24/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it safe to take it everyday? Will there be any after effects?




Is this question out of curiosity? or are you wanting to eat mushrooms everyday? or have you been eating mushrooms everyday and are now worried of the side effects?




Mushrooms helps me maintain my goodness/virtues. I'm calm, serene and LOVING. The after effect lasts like 5/7 days. When I don't take it I'm tempted to think negatively and sin. Magic mushrooms are food literally for our soul. After realizing Manna of the Bible was in fact magic mushrooms and food of God, so why not take God's food often. :P


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Goddess of Beauty]
    #22133911 - 08/24/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

IT is not SAFE

I KNOW A GUY ATE 1 BUTTON EVERYDAY COUPLE DECADES LATER STOMACH CANCER

You don't want to overkill your body, when you consume anything your body is working to break it down and get rid of it.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Drmantus]
    #22133917 - 08/24/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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IT is not SAFE

I KNOW A GUY ATE 1 BUTTON EVERYDAY COUPLE DECADES LATER STOMACH CANCER

You don't want to overkill your body, when you consume anything your body is working to break it down and get rid of it.




I understand where you're coming from but was there any evidence that that was the cause of the stomach cancer?


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: mushmagic]
    #22133931 - 08/24/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea the Doc told him there was a hole in his stomach and there where large trace amounts of Psilocyn in the cancer.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Drmantus]
    #22133937 - 08/24/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

very interesting :takingnotes:


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: mushmagic]
    #22133941 - 08/24/15 04:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Very interested indeed i cannot say this is definite truth.

There is also a chance his Mushroom source was bad
Maybe he also had them saved and was Consuming moldy mushrooms

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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22134602 - 08/24/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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And yeah, if you could remove the tolerance from Shrooms, it probably would be the holy grail, but at least for me the holy grail is Ayahuasca and there's no tolerance there, even Pharmahuasca with Mimosa and Moclobemide, there doesn't seem to be a tolerance.




I think DMT builds less tolerance partially because it's endogenous.  You'd want an inverse 5ht2a agonist to reverse tolerance.  These are generally prescribed as antipsychotics.  Personally I wouldn't mess around with them.

Also Ayahuasca is translated to spirit vine or vine of the dead.  Caling Syrian Rue Ayahuasca is not only a terrible translation it's a bit like calling Shrooms DMT.  They're both RIMAs but Ayahuasca also contains THH, which is a mild SSRI and has shown some long term interaction with serotonin receptor density.  The ratios of harmine and harmaline are also different in Ayahuasca.  B. Caapi (Ayahuasca) reminds me a bit of MDMA when taken by itself.

Hence my comparison of Rue being a brutally honest friend and Ayahuasca being a patient therapist.

*edit*  Sorry if I came off like a dick.  I'd just hate to see someone miss out on Caapi or worse, take 60g of Rue thinking it was Ayahuasca.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #22134725 - 08/24/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Every 14 days at the least.




.....minimum :awethumb:


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22135166 - 08/24/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think DMT builds less tolerance partially because it's endogenous.  You'd want an inverse 5ht2a agonist to reverse tolerance.  These are generally prescribed as antipsychotics.  Personally I wouldn't mess around with them.

Also Ayahuasca is translated to spirit vine or vine of the dead.  Caling Syrian Rue Ayahuasca is not only a terrible translation it's a bit like calling Shrooms DMT.  They're both RIMAs but Ayahuasca also contains THH, which is a mild SSRI and has shown some long term interaction with serotonin receptor density.  The ratios of harmine and harmaline are also different in Ayahuasca.  B. Caapi (Ayahuasca) reminds me a bit of MDMA when taken by itself.

Hence my comparison of Rue being a brutally honest friend and Ayahuasca being a patient therapist.

*edit*  Sorry if I came off like a dick.  I'd just hate to see someone miss out on Caapi or worse, take 60g of Rue thinking it was Ayahuasca.




If it's got Harmalas, i personally call it Ayahuasca, as the way i see it, it's the Harmalas themselves that cause Ayahuasca-like effects, Rue is just as good as Caapi in my opinion, though i haven't tried Caapi, Rue has certainly been a REALLY wonderful plant ally and i certainly feel the Spirit of Ayahuasca even within purified Harmala extracts. I mean i know the Caapi vine is technically Ayahuasca, but i look at Ayahuasca as a broad label that contains many plants, principles and teachings. I say you can probably get just as much benefit from Rue as you can with Caapi. Rue and Mimosa has definitely been a therapist for me, and i don't even really need THH, there are other weak/mild natural SRI's that one could add to the mix if they really wanted to, like Kanna for example which i personally have smoked with Rue extract but haven't taken it orally with Rue, which one day i will.

As for 2A receptor inverse agonists, ehhh i'll pass, i think MAO-A inhibition upregulates the Serotonin system pretty good as it is.

Speaking of MDMA though, i've definitely felt some MDMA-like feelings from Rue and Mimosa, especially with other things added to the mix, like Black Pepper capsules for example.

But yeah, last night i took 1.5 grams of Shrooms, 2.5 grams of Mimosa root powder and 375mgs of Moclobemide, and oh man what a night, it was just so lovely and energizing and i felt great, better than i have in over 10 years. Shrooms are definitely worth keeping around imo.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22135249 - 08/24/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If it's got Harmalas, i personally call it Ayahuasca, as the way i see it, it's the Harmalas themselves that cause Ayahuasca-like effects, Rue is just as good as Caapi in my opinion, though i haven't tried Caapi, Rue has certainly been a REALLY wonderful plant ally and i certainly feel the Spirit of Ayahuasca even within purified Harmala extracts.




I have nothing against Rue as a plant teacher, or Aspand as it's called in Persia.  But imagine you're talking to someone and you keep calling them by the wrong name.  If you really want to commune with Ayahuasca take Ayahuasca.  If you want to show respect to Aspand get in touch with Aspand.

And you can't compare the two until you've tried them both.  They're as different as oral dmt and mushrooms.

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I mean i know the Caapi vine is technically Ayahuasca, but i look at Ayahuasca as a broad label that contains many plants, principles and teachings. I say you can probably get just as much benefit from Rue as you can with Caapi.




Ayahuasca is translated spirit vine or vine of the dead.  Aspand isn't a vine.  It's a seed.  I understand that in some communities, especially this one, Ayahuasca has become a misnomer for oral dmt + whatever MAOI.

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Rue and Mimosa has definitely been a therapist for me, and i don't even really need THH, there are other weak/mild natural SRI's that one could add to the mix if they really wanted to, like Kanna for example which i personally have smoked with Rue extract but haven't taken it orally with Rue, which one day i will.





It's cool that you have a good relationships with Rue and that it's been therapeutic for you.  If you've never experienced THH though you don't really have a basis of comparison to say rather or not it adds to the experience.

Again sorry if I'm coming off like a dick, but I don't like to see misinformation spread, especially when that information could lead to someone reading that the dose of Ayahuasca is 60g+ and downing 20x the effective dose of Rue.

*edit*  And for the record I'm not trying to be elitist here.  Some people that have tried them both prefer Rue.  Different strokes, different folks and all of that.

But drug safety is a concern of mine because I don't want to see either of these plants outlawed let alone anyone hurt by them.  Otherwise I'd just let it go.  Potato, tomato.  Call them what you want.  Unless you could get someone hurt.  Then it's best to be clear.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22135288 - 08/24/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Again sorry if I'm coming off like a dick, but I don't like to see misinformation spread, especially when that information could lead to someone reading that the dose of Ayahuasca is 60g+ and downing 20x the effective dose of Rue.




Naw it's no problemo at all, i appreciate the input. However, in my view, the Harmala alkaloids themselves are what causes the Ayahuasca effect, and while THH may very well add something to the mix, i don't think it's exactly necessary for something to be Ayahuasca. Once again, this is just my opinion, and yes Ayahuasca refers to the Caapi vine. But idk, i guess i just look at this stuff a bit differently than most do. Anyone getting themselves into Ayahuasca, would surely look up dosages of the plant they're using. Anyone who is dumb enough to mistake Rue for Caapi and take a large dose of it, that's on them. But yeah, Rue has definitely been a wonderful teacher, a bit rough every now and then but definitely a great teacher. It may not be Caapi, but it's definitely got the Spirit of Ayahuasca in there.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Drmantus]
    #22135559 - 08/24/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Very interested indeed i cannot say this is definite truth.

There is also a chance his Mushroom source was bad
Maybe he also had them saved and was Consuming moldy mushrooms

If there is anything that messes your body up it's Mold
He is not a Fun GI




Yeah I'm not buying that at all, "traces" I bet there were traces of all sorts of sh*t in there as well.

I think if you're in real good shape with a fast metabolism you can do it every 4 days and still get all the magic.

I just don't understand how people can wait a whole month or even 2 weeks. I've done that before in the past and got all ho hum fuk yeah built up on the inside only to have a so so trip.. it can be very disappointing when you realize that "damn it's gonna be a full 2-4 weeks" before I even get a shot at this again.

food for thought.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Drmantus]
    #22135575 - 08/24/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea the Doc told him there was a hole in his stomach and there where large trace amounts of Psilocyn in the cancer.





:lolwut:

That's gobsmacking hilarious...  Uhm, sorry for your loss.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22135585 - 08/24/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think DMT builds less tolerance partially because it's endogenous.





I suspect it's because the trip is so short lived there's not enough time for the brain to react the same as for durations of an hour or more...


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22135626 - 08/24/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But idk, i guess i just look at this stuff a bit differently than most do. Anyone getting themselves into Ayahuasca, would surely look up dosages of the plant they're using.




I'd hope so but look at what happened with Salvia.  As long as the drug war is going on people will seek out legal or accessible highs.

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Anyone who is dumb enough to mistake Rue for Caapi and take a large dose of it, that's on them.




Until someone gets on a state to criminalize it.  Then it affects us all.


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But yeah, Rue has definitely been a wonderful teacher, a bit rough every now and then but definitely a great teacher. It may not be Caapi, but it's definitely got the Spirit of Ayahuasca in there.




I see Rue and Ayahuasca as facilitators.  Mimosa and Acacia definitely have their own spirit and that presence is going to be there regardless of what MAOI you take.

After taking Ayahuasca and Shrooms I get a lot of Ayahuasca vibe with my Shroom trips.  I think I've talked to Primal Soup a bit about it.  Did you end up taking Shrooms with Rue?  I'm curious if it will impact your later shroom trips the way Ayahuasca has for me.

You seem to have a much deeper relationship with Rue than I've ever developed.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22135636 - 08/24/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think DMT builds less tolerance partially because it's endogenous.





I suspect it's because the trip is so short lived there's not enough time for the brain to react the same as for durations of an hour or more...




That was my suspicion at first too.  Then I took Ayahuasca three days in a row (pretty standard practice in the jungle).  If anything it just got deeper each day.  :shrug:

*edit*  Maybe reverse tolerance from THH.  I really don't know.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22135866 - 08/24/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said: That was my suspicion at first too.  Then I took Ayahuasca three days in a row (pretty standard practice in the jungle).  If anything it just got deeper each day.  :shrug:

*edit*  Maybe reverse tolerance from THH.  I really don't know.




Yeah you can take Ayahuasca as much as you like, daily if you want to, and it doesn't seem to lose it's magic/effects. And the reverse tolerance definitely comes from the Harmalas, not the THH. Purified Harmala extracts have just as much of a reverse tolerance as Rue or Caapi. I wish i could figure out the dosing for the reverse tolerance though so i can keep my sweet spot dose of MAO-A inhibition but take the Harmalas on a daily basis, cutting back on the dosage as it gets stronger.


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Re: Is it safe to take magic mushrooms everyday? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22135883 - 08/24/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting.  Yeah, now I'm really curious if the same thing would happen with Shrooms.

Unfortunately I can't take Rue or Caapi right now.


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