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Offlineclam_dude
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Re: Greenpeace - an evil and antiscientific organization [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22130804 - 08/23/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe it just boils down to the fact that I'm a little more discerning of what websites I take at face value.  To me, the name of the website "Naturalsociety" is a turn off.  There is a widespread "natural fallacy" which this website is clearly taking advantage of.  I'll give you this - the anti gmo and anti Monsanto campaign has been so successful that it's very hard to find useful information on the subject.  If you google Monsanto or gmo, the first 2 pages of google search are filled with pseudoscientific nonsense.


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Re: Greenpeace - an evil and antiscientific organization [Re: clam_dude]
    #22130921 - 08/23/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Stoney you're still conflating Monsanto with GMO.  Fuck Microsoft let's ban computers!


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To knock their fairy castles down?  ~ Eliza Cook

It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley


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Re: Greenpeace - an evil and antiscientific organization [Re: clam_dude]
    #22130971 - 08/23/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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clam_dude said:
Maybe it just boils down to the fact that I'm a little more discerning of what websites I take at face value.  To me, the name of the website "Naturalsociety" is a turn off.  There is a widespread "natural fallacy" which this website is clearly taking advantage of.  I'll give you this - the anti gmo and anti Monsanto campaign has been so successful that it's very hard to find useful information on the subject.  If you google Monsanto or gmo, the first 2 pages of google search are filled with pseudoscientific nonsense.




Luckily for you and everyone else, there is a wealth of information concerning GMOs available in the form of peer-reviewed studies and opinions from international reputable scientific organizations. Too bad this gets less attention because it doesn't have catchy and/or scary titles. It's a shame that people believe clearly biased web sites in favor of peer-reviewed research, but that's what happens when someone makes up their mind and then goes looking for evidence to support their case.


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InvisibleKurt
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Re: Greenpeace - an evil and antiscientific organization [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22131022 - 08/23/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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BoldAsLove said:
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Stonehenge said:
The other thread is full of studies which as I recall, you merely sneered at. You disproved nothing.

Lets look at the controversy over tobacco which has been recognized as harmful. But for years the tobacco industry cranked out scientific studies showing it was not only safe, but possibly good for you. This shows how money will buy whatever you are looking for and scientists can be bought. We all know monsatan has tons of money they are pouring into the effort. Don't be fooled by the baloney.




Most of those studies were not peer-reviewed. And my sneering is what's called an "informed opinion." You never once mentioned why you disagreed with my analysis.

Besides, that wasn't what I was referring to. Just a couple posts ago you claimed that there were no long term studies done and that modern techniques have only existed for a few years. I unambiguously disproved both of these claims and you responded, rather ironically, by calling me a troll.




Well, clearly calling troll is usually a way of conceding argument in some manner of derivation. :-)

Greenpeace isn't evil, or objective; they are politically interested  environmentalists.

The problem is people look to collective social perceptions in a derivative way - whether it is to agree or disagree with  as a basis for understanding. So what if greenpeace is founded by a majority of young people who want to be a part of something; is that a good premise for discussion?

The issue of GMOs should be expressed in certain terms; yet clearly that is not limited to a manner in which textbook data or "information" is gathered either. Being informed is clearly a manner of speaking.

This is a 30 year old technological paradigm of genetics. The first thing that could be called being informed, to many minds, is recognizing that technological research is going to be inherently colored by practical incentive, or human economics, and to the extent that is not acknowledged, corporate industry.

Americans need to think pragmatically and relatively independently, in skepticism of the naive assembly line industriousness that our country stands in a notorious and obvious contempt for to the rest of the free thinking world.

The face value appeal of liberal institutions, egalitarianism, and the appeal of free market are coloring the question of what GMOs are in the world, and not everyone thinks leveling to the entrenched conventionality of technophelic consumer based culture (basically modern America) is the best approach.

(Edit; enough said.)


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Re: Greenpeace - an evil and antiscientific organization [Re: Kurt]
    #22138618 - 08/25/15 03:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Science is crucial to environmental protection. Many of the global problems we face - like climate change, ozone depletion, and the spread of hormone disrupting chemicals - can only be detected and understood through science.
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Equally, science is used to justify the existence and deployment of environmental threats, such as nuclear power and genetically modified organisms. Our opposition to these technologies has led to accusations that Greenpeace is 'anti-science'. This is far from the case. We depend on science and technology to provide solutions to environmental threats.

Because of this double-edged relationship with science, its use and governance is important to us and we are working to stimulate debate about the use of new technologies.

We have also critiqued the lack of public involvement in science and the need for reform of the relationship between science and society.

The Greenpeace Science Laboratory at Exeter University has made some important achievements in environmental protection. The lab's role is threefold:



http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/about/greenpeace-science-unit-2/


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Offlineclam_dude
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Re: Greenpeace - an evil and antiscientific organization [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22147077 - 08/26/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Our opposition to these technologies has led to accusations that Greenpeace is 'anti-science'. This is far from the case. "

And nowhere do they say how this is not the case.  It seems to me that this is the case as there is a scientific consensus which they're ignoring.  That would be the definition of "anti-science".


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