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Three Albino A+ delayed pinning?
    #22121999 - 08/21/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have 9 cakes total. 4 golden teachers, 2 b+, and 3 albino a+. For some reason the albinos aren't pinning at all. The other cakes stated pinning Monday. Is the albino a+ strain typically late fruiting or could something else be wrong? I added some pics. It's the three cakes on the left in the second picture. Thanks



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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: yovo]
    #22122043 - 08/21/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

strain prob nothing to do with it.
genes vary even between same variety.
so all could fruit at different speeds even being the same variety.

im guessing they all multi spore inoccs?
and any time difference between fruiting responses most likely comes from natural genetic differences rather than being a fixed trait of that said variety.

some aa+ will fruit very fast, others not so and some not at all.
same with all cubes.

you could have all aa+ and still have some cakes behind and not fruiting.
only way they will all be similar is if they are all exactly the same culture.

i.e an isolated culture or clone

like with humans not all brothers and sisters will be able to run the same speed or grow to same height or start puberty at the same age ect.
genes vary so will results.


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22122125 - 08/21/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you for the quick response. They are all multi spore innoc. I'm planning on cloning in the future. What can I do with these cakes if they don't fruit?


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: yovo]
    #22122192 - 08/21/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

dont worry and think positive chances are they will fruit.
non fruiters dont happen often and the other cakes are fruiting so conditions must be acceptable :thumbup:
just bit slower than the others to respond thats all.

i dont think you need a back up plan lol

if your bored look into bulk teks or start another grow to keep you busy.

really i wouldn't worry at all, maybe just arrange your cakes a bit neater so there is equal air flow between all cakes.
this will also help with pinning somewhat as all will have equal evaporation opportunity.

just keep the perlite wet and mist cakes as needed ( when cakes are not glistening) and fan after to promote evap

keep at it :thumbup:


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22123765 - 08/21/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

alright thanks for the advice and encouragement. ill think positive. I was thinking about taking those 3 cakes out of the sgfc and breaking them up and mixing into a tub with pasteurized mushroom compost that i have... but I'm not sure if they will colonize it since they have been exposed to fruiting conditions? and i have been reading up on bulk what teks do you suggest?


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: yovo]
    #22123831 - 08/21/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if it's any consolation, my AA+ took 3 weeks to pin in the sgfc and I inoculated sometime in the middle of June. The colonization took FOREVER and I gave up and birthed it anyway. But, now it's got a good pinset. I'm a noob so I know i made some mistakes that slowed down the process. This process is all about the patience. I also don't think it has anything to do with the strain, probably just genetics.

so, in summary it took two months from inoculation to pins. :-) I say wait it out.


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: zuzu13]
    #22123879 - 08/21/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

zuzu13 said:
if it's any consolation, my AA+ took 3 weeks to pin in the sgfc and I inoculated sometime in the middle of June. The colonization took FOREVER and I gave up and birthed it anyway. But, now it's got a good pinset. I'm a noob so I know i made some mistakes that slowed down the process. This process is all about the patience. I also don't think it has anything to do with the strain, probably just genetics.

so, in summary it took two months from inoculation to pins. :-) I say wait it out.




alright thanks for the insight. I'm glad to know I'm not alone with aa+ taking forever to pin haha. i still want to know if i can spawn these to bulk or if i should just start more jars for that..


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: yovo]
    #22125520 - 08/22/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

yovo said:
alright thanks for the advice and encouragement. ill think positive. I was thinking about taking those 3 cakes out of the sgfc and breaking them up and mixing into a tub with pasteurized mushroom compost that i have... but I'm not sure if they will colonize it since they have been exposed to fruiting conditions? and i have been reading up on bulk what teks do you suggest?




no leave them be!!

start some new cakes to go to bulk:thumbup:
while your waiting for them new 1s to colonize research bulk teks.

and in the mean time the first cakes can catch up and fruit:thumbup:
dont crumble them now thats asking for trouble.

you want fresh clean cakes to spawn to bulk.
also i would recommend looking into grain spawn prep teks and using grains rather than brf cakes to add to bulk.

so keep them cakes as they are, let them fruit...
start some new 1s...
possibly with grain not brf....
research spawning to bulk...
research monotub fruiting chamber.

i would recommend looking into coir + verm  as a bulk sub.
look for damions 50:50 elementary coir tek / coir bucket tek

for fruiting chamber you want a monotub for bulk.


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22125604 - 08/22/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks Bob. I appreciate all your advice. I will start using grain from now on. What is your opinion on grain bags vs grain jars? And I already have coir. I just need to find verm locally. I have been researching bulk and monotubs over the past week or 2. Here are some pics from an hour ago. Veils broke sometime in the past 7 hours. How soon after the veil breaks do they normally drop spores? And how can I preserve a stem if I'm not ready to clone yet?


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: yovo]
    #22125677 - 08/22/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it already is dropping spores lol
look at the staining on the veil.:smile:

if you dont have a pressure cooker and dont want to buy 1 just yet you can do brf and spawn that to bulk.

depends if spending the extra money is worth it to you.
if you plan on growing for a while then i say make the step up to grains and get a PC if you havent already.

ive swapped to bags and they are fine.
jars are cheaper in the long run as re-useing them.
its all about what works best for you.
both get the job done imo

you can put the mushroom in a paper bag in the fridge for a day or 2 no probs.


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22126369 - 08/22/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oo ok lol my bad. I wanna make a print when i get back tonight. I ordered a 23 quart pc but I'm waiting for it to come. And alright I'll put it in the fridge until I'm ready to clone. Thanks a lot Bob you've been really helpful


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: yovo]
    #22128290 - 08/22/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



This is what I came back to and what I got off two cakes. Not bad for a first grow. I know the spores on the cakes aren't harmful but should I wash the cakes off and dunk again after the others finish their first flush?


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: yovo] * 1
    #22128315 - 08/22/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would.

You should dry the mushrooms on a fan before attempting a damp rid box, there's no way that amount of damp rid can hold such amounts of water.

if you dont have a dehydrator use a fan over them on a screen for half a day or so before sticking them in the oven with the door cracked @ 200F or so..


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22128354 - 08/22/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks spacechild sorry for my noobishness lol still trying to learn the ropes. I'll remove them from the damp rid box asap. Thanks for the tip. What kind of dehydrator do you recommend so they won't lose potency?


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: yovo]
    #22128392 - 08/22/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

just any cheap one. I doubt you'll find a dehydrator that does high enough temps to destroy potency anway.


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Re: Three Albino A+ delayed pinning? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22128528 - 08/22/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok so a Walmart one will do?


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