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DMT to Moksha
#22121383 - 08/21/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I'm here and it's possible to be in bliss all the time. Only identify with true self emotions are just visitors! I didn't even know what it was till I smoked DMT. Not only do you leave body but you leave mind.

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Moksha is attained by realizing the identity of Atman and Brahman. According to Potter,
8. The true Self is itself just that pure consciousness, without which nothing can be known in any way.
9. And that same true Self, pure consciousness, is not different from the ultimate world Principle, Brahman ... 11. ... Brahman (=the true Self, pure consciousness) is the only Reality (sat), since It is untinged by difference, the mark of ignorance, and since It is the one thing that is not sublimatable.[30]
"Pure consciousness" is the translation of jnanam.[31] Although the common translation of jnanam[31] is "consciousness", the term has a broader meaning of "knowing"; "becoming acquainted with",[web 6] "knowledge about anything",[web 6] "awareness",[web 6] "higher knowledge".[web 6]
"Brahman" too has a broader meaning than "pure consciousness". According to Paul Deussen,[7] Brahman is:
Satyam, "the true reality, which, however, is not the empirical one Jñãnam, "Knowledge which, however, is not split into the subject and the object" anantam, "boundless or infinite"
According to David Loy,
The knowledge of Brahman ... is not intuition of Brahman but itself is Brahman.[32]
The same nuance can be found in satcitananda, the qualities of Brahman, which are usually translated as "Eternal Bliss Consciousness",[33] "Absolute Bliss Consciousness",[web 7] or "Consisting of existence and thought and joy".[web 8] Satcitananda is composed of three Sanskrit words:
sat सत् (present participle); [Sanskrit root as, "to be"]:[citation needed] "Truth",[note 7] "Absolute Being",[web 7] "a palpable force of virtue and truth".[34] Sat describes an essence that is pure and timeless, that never changes.[web 7] cit चित् (noun): "consciousness",[web 7] "true consciousness",[citation needed] "to be consciousness of",[35] "to understand",[35] "to comprehend".[35] ānanda आनन्द (noun): "bliss",[web 7] "true bliss",[citation needed] "happiness",[web 9] "joy",[web 9] "delight",[web 9] "pleasure"[web 9]
This knowledge is intuitive knowledge, a spontaneous type of knowing[36][note 8], as rendered in the prefix pra of prajnanam Brahman.
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Re: DMT to Moksha [Re: Eggtimer]
#22126650 - 08/22/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Welcome home!
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Re: DMT to Moksha [Re: akosi]
#22126765 - 08/22/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not possible to be in "bliss" all the time because life is a balancing act of ego and non-ego, pain and pleasure. Your trip showed you the non-ego part and that's beautiful.
But life requires some level of ego. You can't just quit the game and be a bliss-ninny forever. Alot of trippers forget this fact. There's still going to be pain on the journey, even if you've seen that "other" side of it.
Hopefully I didn't rain on the parade too much
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eh I disagree eternal bliss is entirely possible, but its not like how you would imagine, you still feel all your emotions, and in a much stronger manner too, but the universal love overpowers any negativity so it can be perceived and approached from a more enlightened perspective.
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Re: DMT to Moksha [Re: akosi]
#22126836 - 08/22/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i actually agree with that, but i wouldn't call that "eternal bliss" but more like "total awareness" and yes, in that state you would still feel pain and pleasure and all that...it's just that instead of suffering, you would be able to let it all be.
people without that awareness are highly attached to pleasure and avoid pain. that's why i don't like calling it "eternal bliss" because that brings to mind some kind of cozy, euphoric feeling for eternity. that sounds like something really easy to get attached to.
to me, it's more that you just see and feel things as they are deeply -- without resistance to any of it.
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resonant111 said: It's not possible to be in "bliss" all the time because life is a balancing act of ego and non-ego, pain and pleasure. Your trip showed you the non-ego part and that's beautiful.
But life requires some level of ego. You can't just quit the game and be a bliss-ninny forever. Alot of trippers forget this fact. There's still going to be pain on the journey, even if you've seen that "other" side of it.
Hopefully I didn't rain on the parade too much 
I will say my journey started out with smoking DMT. It took my a while to ingratiate the experiences but now that I have...
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Brahman is also infinite bliss(Anandam). Bliss is not joy derived through the senses. Experiencing sense derived joy is called enjoyment.
Bliss is neither enjoyment nor suffering. It is beyond both. For example, let me suppose that I had a headache, and it hurt a lot. Half an hour after taking two aspirin tablets, my headache was gone, and I no longer was suffering. But even though my suffering had gone, was I then enjoying? No, I was neither enjoying nor suffering. I had gone beyond both. This relief from both enjoyment and suffering can be compared to bliss.
Suffering and enjoyment form a pair of opposites and belong to this world of time, space, and causation. Therefore, bliss, which is a state of relief from worldly suffering and enjoyment, must be transcendental.
I never understood what was meant by empty your mind. I think I do now and this is becoming my natural state. I haven't had any anxiety in weeks. It used to be non stop all day. I feel no pressure to do anything. I do things without giving them thought. It's amazing.
All there is, is now. You can't run from now. We suffer the most when we run from our pain because we think we can get away from now. Yesterday is only a memory and tomorrow never comes. Accept pain as gladly as you would joy. It only turns to suffering when you label it as bad and something to be avoided. This is the magic.
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Suffering is forgetting who you really are.
We suffer when we don’t see this completeness – this intimacy – within the present experience. When we don’t see that every wave that’s presently appearing is part of the ocean and therefore allowed in the ocean, we start trying to escape this moment to attempt to reach the next moment. We experience ourselves as not whole or somehow broken so we attempt to move away from this moment. In truth, that movement is not actually possible but we try anyway because that’s how we are programmed. We try to move away from this moment to get to the next moment, to tomorrow or next year or to ten years time. We start to use time to achieve this. This is the origin of suffering. We try to escape what’s happening now. We try to run away from aspects of our present experience. We try to escape these thoughts, sensations and feelings and get to a future place where things will be better. That’s the movement of suffering.
Within suffering you’ll always find seeking. Seeking is the basic mechanism behind all of our suffering. We label certain elements of experience ‘bad’ or ‘negative’ or ‘dark’ or ‘dangerous’ or ‘unhealthy’ and that’s because of our conditioning. We have been conditioned to label things as ‘fear’, ‘sadness’, ‘anger’, and do on, and to judge these as negative, or not-okay, or bad, or sinful – basically as expressions of incompleteness, as threats to completeness. Because we don’t seethe completeness in these waves, because we can’t find the ocean within these so-called ‘negative’ waves, we try to escape them and that movement ‘away from’ creates the suffering. Then we create stories and identities around this suffering: ‘Oh, I’m a victim of my suffering. I’m a victim of fear and pain! Why is this happening to me? How can I escape this experience?‘
Suffering is a great teacher. Maybe it’s the best teacher but we often don’t see that, because we don’t realise what suffering really is. Normally, we do all sorts of things to avoid, deny and numb our suffering. We take medication, drink alcohol or try to distract ourselves. Of course, there’s ultimately nothing with doing these things either! But suffering is always an opportunity; it’s an invitation to discover the completeness in what you are running away from. Which aspects of your experience right now are not okay? Which waves (thoughts, sensations, and feelings) of the ocean are being rejected right now? Which waves are not being seen as part of the ocean? Basically, what are you at war with? This is always the question that suffering leads you to.
Within the experience of suffering you’ll always find seeking. You can believe as much as you like that you’re not seeking, or that you are free from the self, but whenever there’s suffering there’s seeking. It’s the story of ‘me’ looking for something, escaping something; it’s the story of incompleteness or of feeling that there’s something wrong with you. So, the invitation – not a demand – is to take a look at what you are at war with right now. What’s the story? What are the images you are trying to hold up? What are you defending? What are you rejecting? What are you running away from? Look a little deeper. Perhaps these images of yourself are not who you really are. Maybe these stories don’t define you.
We suffer when we try to hold up images of ourselves – ‘I’m strong, I’m enlightened, I’m a success, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m happy’ – which conflict with life as it is. And in the end, all images conflict with life as it is – no image can match this moment. This moment is the fire that burns up all images. In this moment there could be pain, sadness, fear –any image that says that what’s appearing shouldn’t be appearing, that you should be happy, or free from pain, is a false image.
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Re: DMT to Moksha [Re: Eggtimer]
#22130597 - 08/23/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That bottom thing you quoted is spot-on and something I've realized quite explicitly lately. It's all about allowing everything to just be and feeling it as deeply as possible. That is how you stay present.
For years I tried to run from feelings of pain or anxiety or sadness. Now I let these things be what they are. Mere sensations that come and go. It's so liberating to feel the entirety of it all, to accept it all.
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