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ergoticmandala



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openly being socialist?
#22121131 - 08/21/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?
I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)
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yeh i find it an extreme viewpoint makes me wonder bout you
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Not pure socialism but a mix of capitalism and socialism seems to me the best for all.
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Not really. No one in the US knows what socialism is anyway.
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It's ok if you actually do something that remotely resembles the socialist agenda. Such as, helping the poor on a regular basis, being charitable, not spend every dollar you make on you and you alone, contribute to saving the environment by doing more than the minimum, pay taxes and agree to pay more without bitching.
If you are doing any of those things, than congrats, you are a proud socialist.
If you don't do any of that, you're a hypocrite. Talking a big game is worthless unless you actually do what you preach yourself.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: bukkake]
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ergoticmandala said: do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?
I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)
I'm all for it, now you just need to send me your money because I'm poor
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extreme viewpoints make you wonder about people?
I am going to the extreme just as capitalist go to the extreme right. what's the difference? the U.S has made socialism seem evil, just like they have made illegal plants seem evil.
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Not pure socialism but a mix of capitalism and socialism seems to me the best for all.
I agree with this because it seems more realistic/practical.
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ergoticmandala said: do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?
I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)
I don't think it's weird. It is quite common among cowards, losers and bums. But it is stupid.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: PLURAL]
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Looks like zappa is out of work again trolling on the boards.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Stonehenge]
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I'm all for universal healthcare but I think Karl Marx was a shithead.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Janky Tits]
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It's cool the first few times, but no more!
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Janky Tits]
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Xplicit RelapzZ said: I'm all for universal healthcare but I think Karl Marx was a shithead.
Yeah, he kinda was.....
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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ergoticmandala said: do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?
I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)
I'm all for it, now you just need to send me your money because I'm poor
i'm poorer than pris send money
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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I don't think it's weird. It is quite common among cowards, losers and bums. But it is stupid.
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please elaborate
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Wow bro, you're so hardcore and different.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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Its the in thing to be these days. I reject self proclaimed socialists almost entirely because their socialism conveniently stops when their wealth and lifestyle is suggested to be redistributed downward. American socialists want socialism for the rich (themselves) and capitalism for the poor (the rest of the world).
If the earth's natural resources were shared evenly every family of three would get the equivalent of 15k a year in buying power. Thats it. If you consume more than that and are a self proclaimed socialist you are a hypocrite. But they don't really care about humans that are poorer than them... they just want richer people to give them stuff.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: DieCommie]
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if people could only earn (or rather be given, and not allowed to earn anything) 15k a year max, you would see no advancements in technology because there wouldn't be any motive to invent.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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SurReality said: if people could only earn (or rather be given, and not allowed to earn anything) 15k a year max, you would see no advancements in technology because there wouldn't be any motive to invent.
Note that is 15k for a family of three, not for one person alone.
If you want to argue for meritocracy, that is fine, but then you have to accept that there will be a family of three living on less than 15k per year to make up for the family of three living on more than 15k per year.
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Nah that's pretty Lamestream man. Anarcha-feminisim is where its at if you wanna fit with the cool kids
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: DieCommie]
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SurReality said: if people could only earn (or rather be given, and not allowed to earn anything) 15k a year max, you would see no advancements in technology because there wouldn't be any motive to invent.
Note that is 15k for a family of three, not for one person alone.
If you want to argue for meritocracy, that is fine, but then you have to accept that there will be a family of three living on less than 15k per year to make up for the family of three living on more than 15k per year.
with the birth control availability there is (only talking about 1st and even many third world countries) i accept that people are choosing to have kids under those conditions (generally, not including expected financial tragedy)
i make less than that a year and you don't see me trying to have a kid.
and furthermore the is really no way to predict the future economy in that kind of situation. but i can tell you that if my income was guaranteed to be any number, no less and no more. i would sit around do every drug there is and never contribute shit to society, pretty sure i wouldn't be the only one. how would that affect the resources available that you are dividing among everyone?
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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and furthermore the is really no way to predict the future economy in that kind of situation. but i can tell you that if my income was guaranteed to be any number, no less and no more. i would sit around do every drug there is and never contribute shit to society, pretty sure i wouldn't be the only one. how would that affect the resources available that you are dividing among everyone?
what is bad about that. we have a false idea that progressing technology and such is helping but actually putting a pause to first world inventions and just focusing on world hunger and nature preservation. If we continue how we are, in less than 200 years global warming and pollution are really going to start posing threats to us.
I think we need to socialize medicine, higher education etc.
I don't think we need to be 100% Marxist but integrate some of his ideas.
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I wasn't aware until now that was a fad haha.
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ergoticmandala said: do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?
I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)
I'm a socialist too but I don't usually come out and state it directly. Socialism gets an insanely bad rap in this country, which is bullshit IMO. Too much socialism is a bad thing but so is too much capitalism, they need to be in balance. I hate it so much when the conservatives say that Hitler was a socialist. Hitler was not a socialist and National Socialism is not socialism.
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yea I agree, a balance, i made this post mainly because im just trying to get some insight on other people's views
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there is no socialism with out lead into communism, this is what the entire contient of asia has shown us for all of time
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and furthermore the is really no way to predict the future economy in that kind of situation. but i can tell you that if my income was guaranteed to be any number, no less and no more. i would sit around do every drug there is and never contribute shit to society, pretty sure i wouldn't be the only one. how would that affect the resources available that you are dividing among everyone?
what is bad about that. we have a false idea that progressing technology and such is helping but actually putting a pause to first world inventions and just focusing on world hunger and nature preservation. If we continue how we are, in less than 200 years global warming and pollution are really going to start posing threats to us.
I think we need to socialize medicine, higher education etc.
I don't think we need to be 100% Marxist but integrate some of his ideas.
what is bad about enabling everyone to stop work and suck the world dry of the resources made available from capitalism? well for one when those resources dry up we will be a looking at a massive rehabilitation of work ethic, and if that doesn't happen (considering the success rate of rehabilitation) then i would think it would slightly better than genocide where only the few people who managed to work after generations of having no reason to in order to live a happy comfortable life will be the only ones getting off their asses and butchering an animal to eat or growing a garden.
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Salomon said: there is no socialism with out lead into communism, this is what the entire contient of asia has shown us for all of time
This is nonsense. China was avowedly communist from the beginning of its socialist era and most of Europe has been socialist without going communist for decades.
The shit that socialism bashers say is just, so, fucking stupid, almost always involves distortion of history and a gaping ignorance of contemporary international affairs. It's sad that these people are able to hold us back from being a better country.
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I mean look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. They all rank at the top for best standard of living in the world. They are certainly killing it, I've been to Sweden its fucking awesome.
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: I mean look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. They all rank at the top of best standard of living in the world. They are certainly killing it, I've been to Sweden its fucking awesome.
I've been to the NL, it's undoubtedly one of the nicest places I've been, with some of the friendliest people. Turns out you can actually have a successful society that isn't designed from the ground up to treat the majority of its population as cattle
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so how are those countries on immigration? can i just move and get a piece of the pie?
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Just need to get a passport from any European country that's part of the EU, kinda hard these days unless you have family from Europe. I have an Irish passport
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oh shucks my family isn't from there (at least any currently alive) i guess i can't go there. that's so not socialist, where's my pie
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Europe is fucked. The bill is coming due and the PIGS are just the first wave. If you want to emigrate to Europe just paint yourself a different hue and claim you come from a conflict zone and arrive on a boat.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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lol i don't refuse to work, i'm just saying if i could get away with not working i would. and anyone who claims otherwise is lying or stupid.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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although i recently turned down a medical mj card (to get cheaper weed) because i want my background to allow me to buy guns, plus i'm taking a break from weed and am clean because i'm trying to get a job.
so i don't i'm going to move to europe to just so i don't have to work and do drugs instead anytime soon.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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My parents provide me with everything I need to survive, but you don't see me sitting around on my ass. If I'm not working on my education then I'm working a job, even if it doesn't pay well or if I don't like it. It's not even really for the money. I just hate not having tasks to work on, it's depressing as fuck and brings all the worst out of me. Laziness is its own punishment.
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lol if you need a shitty job just so you can have something to do when you are perfectly well off, then you are an incredibly boring person. if i could afford to not work i would always be busy. the only reason i get lazy is because i can't afford to do anything.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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How do you think my parents are able to provide for me like that? They make good money because they've been striving to better themselves their whole lives and they raised me to do the same. Life doesn't wait for you to get off your ass and make something of yourself.
I'm not boring at all, I just have this thing called a work ethic. Work hard, play hard. Having one without the other is unhealthy and leads to trouble.
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working shitty jobs when you feel you don't even need the money is not exactly good work ethic.
and i was only commenting on how you can't find anything to do productively other than work. i'm not saying you shouldn't work, but if its not even benefiting you in anyway other than give you something to do... that is pretty boring of someone to do.
also when i say work, i mean punching a clock for an employer. not going out and building yourself a garden or house something for yourself (which is still work)
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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I don't have to justify my lifestyle to you. Why do you insist on making this personal? That's really immature IMO.
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BlindSophist said: I don't have to justify my lifestyle to you. Why do you insist on making this personal? That's really immature IMO.
i'm not insisting on making anything personal. you used yourself as an example to the subject and i responded. dont cry about it.
also i don't even know you, i don't even pay attention to your other posts to have an idea of who you are. i was purely responding to your post in this thread.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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I used myself as an example because it disproved your argument that people don't work when they don't need to, and you called me boring. You made it personal.
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ok your right. sorry to hurt your feelings. i wasn't trying to do that. but that is sincerely how i feel about someone who would do that in such a situation, specifically how you stated working. people who work for themselves or volunteer in the situation i feel the opposite about and is how i would like to be if i get that comfortable in my financial situation.
and to be more relevant to my point. it said it was a generalization and that there would be exceptions, you happen to be one of them. congratulations.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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Thanks, I appreciate that. I just see it as, money is money, I'd rather have more than less. I'm not working right now because I'm getting ready to go back to school which I hope will one day lead to getting a stimulating, well-paying job as a scientist or engineer.
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The problem is that almost no one in our society understands what socialism actually is. We tend to equate it with "big gub'mint." We tend to think of either oppressive authoritarian regimes like North Korea or liberal social welfare states like Scandinavia. The fact is that socialism doesn't necessarily require a state apparatus at all (see: libertarian socialism). The difference between capitalism and socialism is not about the size or type of government, but rather the class dynamics and mode of production. Socialism is a system in which workers are their own bosses and produce goods on the basis of reciprocity rather than profit.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Silversoul]
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You can be your own boss under capitalism. I am. Under socialism you are a slave to the bums.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Boooo exploiter.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
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DieCommie

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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: I mean look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. They all rank at the top for best standard of living in the world. They are certainly killing it, I've been to Sweden its fucking awesome.
They certainly do things that we could learn from. But to think that any nation could be as rich as them by adopting their economic system is naive. They inherited wealth in the form of oil. Norway and Kuwait are the richest countries in the world by virtue of this inheritance. You don't see Norway splitting it's profits with Greece do you? Like usual, the socialism ends before the poor get a chance to benefit from it. Its easy to split a bunch of wealth among a small population, deny others that arn't your nationality and proclaim victory.
In the US we funnel money from the rich states to the poor states. This is a type of socialism the Europe lacks. The fact that Europe lacks a mechanism for funneling wealth from rich states to poor states is often brought up as a cause for the Euro crisis.
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ergoticmandala said: do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?
I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)
I don't think that's weird at all. I've been a Democratic Socialist for years. There's a lot of resources available for people looking to start party branches in their area, but ultimately like the Catholic Church, your dedication is measured by works, not faith.
Reach out to your local community and become involved. For example, while it's popular to help people in other countries, I like to focus my charity and aid work to those in the United States. Sponsor a few children in the U.S. (I currently sponsor 3. 2 little girls in Louisiana and one boy in Tennessee), get involved in your local level politics and elect officials whose platform fit your ideals. If you do start a local chapter, use party dues for more than just literature and a website. This is one of my biggest pet peeves with the party.
Link your chapter up with local/regional non-profits and assist them in their work, while also establishing initiatives of your own that focus on fostering true economic and political reform while engaging the local population.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
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ergoticmandala said: do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?
I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)
I'm all for it, now you just need to send me your money because I'm poor
i'm poorer than pris send money
we both get our fair share of his money, socialism is beautiful
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: I mean look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. They all rank at the top for best standard of living in the world. They are certainly killing it, I've been to Sweden its fucking awesome.
by what arbitrary measure
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: I mean look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. They all rank at the top for best standard of living in the world. They are certainly killing it, I've been to Sweden its fucking awesome.
by what arbitrary measure
Probably the Human Development Index. It's a set of formulas.
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Asante
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ergoticmandala said: do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?
I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
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Socialism and communism are the same thing. I don't know where somebody started trying to say they are different, that's weird. When I was younger I used to think there was a difference between Marxism and communism. There isn't, they are the same thing. I guess I would fall under the category of a capitalist with communist ideals or vice\versa.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: lowbrow]
#22126567 - 08/22/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Socialism and communism aren't the same. Republicans and democrats are both capitalist parties, but a big difference between them.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126572 - 08/22/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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He said socialism and communism
Good edit.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22126574 - 08/22/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I corrected it.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126581 - 08/22/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually Democrats and Republicans are rather socialist themselves. One is just a bit more so than the other.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126586 - 08/22/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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>Republicans and democrats are both capitalist parties,
True
>but a big difference between them.
False. The differences are cosmetic and serve only to divide us. When some evil piece of legislation comes along like the tpp, just enough cross over to make sure it happens. Meanwhile, the leaders pretend their party is against it. Same with the aca.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22126587 - 08/22/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not by socialist standards You mean they are more progressive than you are
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: Not by socialist standards You mean they are more progressive than you are 
There is nothing progressive about socialism. It is actually regressive.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22126641 - 08/22/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im not saying that socialism is progressive, I'm saying Democrats are far more progressive than socialist. To call Democrats socialist is an utter perversion of the word. No socialist would call the Democrats socialist. Its more of a dirty word to you than a correctly applied phrase in this context.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126749 - 08/22/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've gone to socialist house shows/parties before, in the sense that the people who put it all together were raising money for some cause, I was already drunk when I got there, but if I recall it went to an actual organization that helped people...I think?
Idk, dude, it was the type of neighborhood that had co-ops, and multiple anarchist bookstores within blocks of each other that were totally devoted to literature on the subject.
They charged 5 dollars at the door, but there was free beer, and hard liquor for like 3 bucks a drink if you didn't bring your own. And they had a socialist star handstamp, which I thought was cute. No one was talking politics or anything, it was just a party, and a pretty clever idea actually.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126768 - 08/22/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Im not saying that socialism is progressive, I'm saying Democrats are far more progressive than socialist. To call Democrats socialist is an utter perversion of the word. No socialist would call the Democrats socialist. Its more of a dirty word to you than a correctly applied phrase in this context.
The Democrats are socialist. It is a continuum. They get away with what they can get away with. Their goals are entirely socialist because it consolidates power in the government. Unfettered Democrats would be entirely socialist because it gives them control but they can't because this country's people are not fooled by the free lunch bullshit of socialism. There is no free lunch. How is Greece doing, anyway? And Italy Spain and Portugal?
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Le_Canard]
#22126820 - 08/22/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Xplicit RelapzZ said: I'm all for universal healthcare but I think Karl Marx was a shithead.
Yeah, he kinda was.....
Might as well throw Che Guevera on that list. The whole forcing violent upheaval thing seems better suited for fascism, or dictators claiming to be thinking of the people while they murder their predecessors in cold blood and take their place at the top of the genocidal clusterfuck.
Nonviolence is the revolution in my eyes, but unfortunately most that are capable at this get murdered by secret police
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#22126828 - 08/22/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The Democrats are socialist.
Only in America, with one of the worst school systems in the industrialized world, can the Democratic platform be considered socialist.
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#22126940 - 08/22/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Im not saying that socialism is progressive, I'm saying Democrats are far more progressive than socialist. To call Democrats socialist is an utter perversion of the word. No socialist would call the Democrats socialist. Its more of a dirty word to you than a correctly applied phrase in this context.
The Democrats are socialist. It is a continuum. They get away with what they can get away with. Their goals are entirely socialist because it consolidates power in the government. Unfettered Democrats would be entirely socialist because it gives them control but they can't because this country's people are not fooled by the free lunch bullshit of socialism. There is no free lunch. How is Greece doing, anyway? And Italy Spain and Portugal?
Socialism isn't about big government, its about empowering the working class. I expect better of you, you listen too much to conservative rhetoric. The Democrats arent socialist.
Greece was murdered by capitalism. The poor and working class were fucked over by the EU and the banks. Whats socialist about the banks anmd government fucking the common people out of money?
"socialism" is an american conservative fetish word, in the way you speak of it it has little to do with its actual definition.
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#22127016 - 08/22/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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republicans don't consolidate power in the government? pretty sure any political party does this, even libertarian just much less.
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