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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: lowbrow]
#22126567 - 08/22/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Socialism and communism aren't the same. Republicans and democrats are both capitalist parties, but a big difference between them.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126572 - 08/22/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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He said socialism and communism
Good edit.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22126574 - 08/22/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I corrected it.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126581 - 08/22/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually Democrats and Republicans are rather socialist themselves. One is just a bit more so than the other.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126586 - 08/22/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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>Republicans and democrats are both capitalist parties,
True
>but a big difference between them.
False. The differences are cosmetic and serve only to divide us. When some evil piece of legislation comes along like the tpp, just enough cross over to make sure it happens. Meanwhile, the leaders pretend their party is against it. Same with the aca.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22126587 - 08/22/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not by socialist standards You mean they are more progressive than you are
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126591 - 08/22/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Not by socialist standards You mean they are more progressive than you are 
There is nothing progressive about socialism. It is actually regressive.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22126641 - 08/22/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im not saying that socialism is progressive, I'm saying Democrats are far more progressive than socialist. To call Democrats socialist is an utter perversion of the word. No socialist would call the Democrats socialist. Its more of a dirty word to you than a correctly applied phrase in this context.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126749 - 08/22/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've gone to socialist house shows/parties before, in the sense that the people who put it all together were raising money for some cause, I was already drunk when I got there, but if I recall it went to an actual organization that helped people...I think?
Idk, dude, it was the type of neighborhood that had co-ops, and multiple anarchist bookstores within blocks of each other that were totally devoted to literature on the subject.
They charged 5 dollars at the door, but there was free beer, and hard liquor for like 3 bucks a drink if you didn't bring your own. And they had a socialist star handstamp, which I thought was cute. No one was talking politics or anything, it was just a party, and a pretty clever idea actually.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
#22126768 - 08/22/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Im not saying that socialism is progressive, I'm saying Democrats are far more progressive than socialist. To call Democrats socialist is an utter perversion of the word. No socialist would call the Democrats socialist. Its more of a dirty word to you than a correctly applied phrase in this context.
The Democrats are socialist. It is a continuum. They get away with what they can get away with. Their goals are entirely socialist because it consolidates power in the government. Unfettered Democrats would be entirely socialist because it gives them control but they can't because this country's people are not fooled by the free lunch bullshit of socialism. There is no free lunch. How is Greece doing, anyway? And Italy Spain and Portugal?
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Le_Canard]
#22126820 - 08/22/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Xplicit RelapzZ said: I'm all for universal healthcare but I think Karl Marx was a shithead.
Yeah, he kinda was.....
Might as well throw Che Guevera on that list. The whole forcing violent upheaval thing seems better suited for fascism, or dictators claiming to be thinking of the people while they murder their predecessors in cold blood and take their place at the top of the genocidal clusterfuck.
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod] 2
#22126828 - 08/22/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The Democrats are socialist.
Only in America, with one of the worst school systems in the industrialized world, can the Democratic platform be considered socialist.
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#22126940 - 08/22/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Im not saying that socialism is progressive, I'm saying Democrats are far more progressive than socialist. To call Democrats socialist is an utter perversion of the word. No socialist would call the Democrats socialist. Its more of a dirty word to you than a correctly applied phrase in this context.
The Democrats are socialist. It is a continuum. They get away with what they can get away with. Their goals are entirely socialist because it consolidates power in the government. Unfettered Democrats would be entirely socialist because it gives them control but they can't because this country's people are not fooled by the free lunch bullshit of socialism. There is no free lunch. How is Greece doing, anyway? And Italy Spain and Portugal?
Socialism isn't about big government, its about empowering the working class. I expect better of you, you listen too much to conservative rhetoric. The Democrats arent socialist.
Greece was murdered by capitalism. The poor and working class were fucked over by the EU and the banks. Whats socialist about the banks anmd government fucking the common people out of money?
"socialism" is an american conservative fetish word, in the way you speak of it it has little to do with its actual definition.
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#22127016 - 08/22/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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republicans don't consolidate power in the government? pretty sure any political party does this, even libertarian just much less.
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