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OfflineSurReality
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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22123559 - 08/21/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

working shitty jobs when you feel you don't even need the money is not exactly good work ethic.

and i was only commenting on how you can't find anything to do productively other than work. i'm not saying you shouldn't work, but if its not even benefiting you in anyway other than give you something to do... that is pretty boring of someone to do.

also when i say work, i mean punching a clock for an employer. not going out and building yourself a garden or house something for yourself (which is still work)


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
    #22123565 - 08/21/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't have to justify my lifestyle to you. Why do you insist on making this personal? That's really immature IMO.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22123570 - 08/21/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't have to justify my lifestyle to you. Why do you insist on making this personal? That's really immature IMO.




i'm not insisting on making anything personal. you used yourself as an example to the subject and i responded. dont cry about it.

also i don't even know you, i don't even pay attention to your other posts to have an idea of who you are. i was purely responding to your post in this thread.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
    #22123578 - 08/21/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I used myself as an example because it disproved your argument that people don't work when they don't need to, and you called me boring. You made it personal.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22123596 - 08/21/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ok your right. sorry to hurt your feelings. i wasn't trying to do that. but that is sincerely how i feel about someone who would do that in such a situation, specifically how you stated working. people who work for themselves or volunteer in the situation i feel the opposite about and is how i would like to be if i get that comfortable in my financial situation.

and to be more relevant to my point. it said it was a generalization and that there would be exceptions, you happen to be one of them. congratulations.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
    #22123626 - 08/21/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, I appreciate that. I just see it as, money is money, I'd rather have more than less. I'm not working right now because I'm getting ready to go back to school which I hope will one day lead to getting a stimulating, well-paying job as a scientist or engineer.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: ergoticmandala] * 1
    #22123750 - 08/21/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The problem is that almost no one in our society understands what socialism actually is.  We tend to equate it with "big gub'mint."  We tend to think of either oppressive authoritarian regimes like North Korea or liberal social welfare states like Scandinavia.  The fact is that socialism doesn't necessarily require a state apparatus at all (see: libertarian socialism).  The difference between capitalism and socialism is not about the size or type of government, but rather the class dynamics and mode of production.  Socialism is a system in which workers are their own bosses and produce goods on the basis of reciprocity rather than profit.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Silversoul]
    #22123758 - 08/21/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You can be your own boss under capitalism.  I am.  Under socialism you are a slave to the bums.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22123762 - 08/21/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You can be your own boss under capitalism.  I am.



Yeah, but you're not a worker.  You're an exploiter.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Silversoul]
    #22123865 - 08/21/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, right.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22124062 - 08/21/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Boooo exploiter.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22124103 - 08/21/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They exploited me for money.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22124108 - 08/21/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i'll exploit you for money


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #22125970 - 08/22/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. They all rank at the top for best standard of living in the world. They are certainly killing it, I've been to Sweden its fucking awesome.




They certainly do things that we could learn from.  But to think that any nation could be as rich as them by adopting their economic system is naive.  They inherited wealth in the form of oil.  Norway and Kuwait are the richest countries in the world by virtue of this inheritance.  You don't see Norway splitting it's profits with Greece do you?  Like usual, the socialism ends before the poor get a chance to benefit from it.  Its easy to split a bunch of wealth among a small population, deny others that arn't your nationality and proclaim victory.

In the US we funnel money from the rich states to the poor states.  This is a type of socialism the Europe lacks.  The fact that Europe lacks a mechanism for funneling wealth from rich states to poor states is often brought up as a cause for the Euro crisis.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #22126192 - 08/22/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?

I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)




I don't think that's weird at all. I've been a Democratic Socialist for years. There's a lot of resources available for people looking to start party branches in their area, but ultimately like the Catholic Church, your dedication is measured by works, not faith.

Reach out to your local community and become involved. For example, while it's popular to help people in other countries, I like to focus my charity and aid work to those in the United States. Sponsor a few children in the U.S. (I currently sponsor 3. 2 little girls in Louisiana and one boy in Tennessee), get involved in your local level politics and elect officials whose platform fit your ideals. If you do start a local chapter, use party dues for more than just literature and a website. This is one of my biggest pet peeves with the party.

Link your chapter up with local/regional non-profits and assist them in their work, while also establishing initiatives of your own that focus on fostering true economic and political reform while engaging the local population.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
    #22126201 - 08/22/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?

I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)





I'm all for it, now you just need to send me your money because I'm poor



i'm poorer than pris send money





we both get our fair share of his money, socialism is beautiful


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #22126204 - 08/22/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. They all rank at the top for best standard of living in the world. They are certainly killing it, I've been to Sweden its fucking awesome.





by what arbitrary measure


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22126276 - 08/22/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. They all rank at the top for best standard of living in the world. They are certainly killing it, I've been to Sweden its fucking awesome.





by what arbitrary measure




Probably the Human Development Index. It's a set of formulas.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #22126283 - 08/22/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?

I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)












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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Asante]
    #22126486 - 08/22/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Socialism and communism are the same thing.  I don't know where somebody started trying to say they are different, that's weird.
  When I was younger I used to think there was a difference between Marxism and communism.  There isn't, they are the same thing.  I guess I would fall under the category of a capitalist with communist ideals or vice\versa.


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