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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #22122637 - 08/21/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nah that's pretty Lamestream man. Anarcha-feminisim is where its at if you wanna fit with the cool kids :puke:


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: DieCommie]
    #22122726 - 08/21/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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if people could only earn (or rather be given, and not allowed to earn anything) 15k a year max, you would see no advancements in technology because there wouldn't be any motive to invent.




Note that is 15k for a family of three, not for one person alone. 

If you want to argue for meritocracy, that is fine, but then you have to accept that there will be a family of three living on less than 15k per year to make up for the family of three living on more than 15k per year.




with the birth control availability there is (only talking about 1st and even many third world countries) i accept that people are choosing to have kids under those conditions (generally, not including expected financial tragedy)

i make less than that a year and you don't see me trying to have a kid.

and furthermore the is really no way to predict the future economy in that kind of situation. but i can tell you that if my income was guaranteed to be any number, no less and no more. i would sit around do every drug there is and never contribute shit to society, pretty sure i wouldn't be the only one. how would that affect the resources available that you are dividing among everyone?


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
    #22123135 - 08/21/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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and furthermore the is really no way to predict the future economy in that kind of situation. but i can tell you that if my income was guaranteed to be any number, no less and no more. i would sit around do every drug there is and never contribute shit to society, pretty sure i wouldn't be the only one. how would that affect the resources available that you are dividing among everyone?







what is bad about that. we have a false idea that progressing technology and such is helping but actually putting a pause to first world inventions and just focusing on world hunger and nature preservation. If we continue how we are, in less than 200 years global warming and pollution are really going to start posing threats to us.


I think we need to socialize medicine, higher education etc.

I don't think we need to be 100% Marxist but integrate some of his ideas.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #22123143 - 08/21/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I wasn't aware until now that was a fad haha.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #22123160 - 08/21/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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do u guys think its weird that I openly think the socialist agenda is better for the world?

I changed my facebook profile pic to the socialist hand with a flower in it:)




I'm a socialist too but I don't usually come out and state it directly. Socialism gets an insanely bad rap in this country, which is bullshit IMO. Too much socialism is a bad thing but so is too much capitalism, they need to be in balance. I hate it so much when the conservatives say that Hitler was a socialist.  Hitler was not a socialist and National Socialism is not socialism.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22123185 - 08/21/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yea I agree, a balance, i made this post mainly because im just trying to get some insight on other people's views


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: ergoticmandala] * 2
    #22123319 - 08/21/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

there is no socialism with out lead into communism, this is what the entire contient of asia has shown us for all of time


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #22123320 - 08/21/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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and furthermore the is really no way to predict the future economy in that kind of situation. but i can tell you that if my income was guaranteed to be any number, no less and no more. i would sit around do every drug there is and never contribute shit to society, pretty sure i wouldn't be the only one. how would that affect the resources available that you are dividing among everyone?







what is bad about that. we have a false idea that progressing technology and such is helping but actually putting a pause to first world inventions and just focusing on world hunger and nature preservation. If we continue how we are, in less than 200 years global warming and pollution are really going to start posing threats to us.


I think we need to socialize medicine, higher education etc.

I don't think we need to be 100% Marxist but integrate some of his ideas.




what is bad about enabling everyone to stop work and suck the world dry of the resources made available from capitalism? well for one when those resources dry up we will be a looking at a massive rehabilitation of work ethic, and if that doesn't happen (considering the success rate of rehabilitation) then i would think it would slightly better than genocide where only the few people who managed to work after generations of having no reason to in order to live a happy comfortable life will be the only ones getting off their asses and butchering an animal to eat or growing a garden.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Salomon] * 1
    #22123340 - 08/21/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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there is no socialism with out lead into communism, this is what the entire contient of asia has shown us for all of time




This is nonsense. China was avowedly communist from the beginning of its socialist era and most of Europe has been socialist without going communist for decades.

The shit that socialism bashers say is just, so, fucking stupid, almost always involves distortion of history and a gaping ignorance of contemporary international affairs. It's sad that these people are able to hold us back from being a better country.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality] * 1
    #22123344 - 08/21/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I mean look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. They all rank at the top for best standard of living in the world. They are certainly killing it, I've been to Sweden its fucking awesome.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #22123351 - 08/21/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Netherlands. They all rank at the top of best standard of living in the world. They are certainly killing it, I've been to Sweden its fucking awesome.




I've been to the NL, it's undoubtedly one of the nicest places I've been, with some of the friendliest people. Turns out you can actually have a successful society that isn't designed from the ground up to treat the majority of its population as cattle


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #22123353 - 08/21/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

so how are those countries on immigration? can i just move and get a piece of the pie?


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
    #22123365 - 08/21/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just need to get a passport from any European country that's part of the EU, kinda hard these days unless you have family from Europe. I have an Irish passport :awehigh:


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #22123421 - 08/21/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

oh shucks my family isn't from there (at least any currently alive) i guess i can't go there. that's so not socialist, where's my pie :frown:


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip] * 3
    #22123452 - 08/21/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Europe is fucked.  The bill is coming due and the PIGS are just the first wave.  If you want to emigrate to Europe just paint yourself a different hue and claim you come from a conflict zone and arrive on a boat. 

Dear children, nothing is free except sunlight.  Everything else takes work.  Somebody is doing work for whatever you have.  If you refuse to work you can fuck off and die as far as I'm concerned


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22123496 - 08/21/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol i don't refuse to work, i'm just saying if i could get away with not working i would. and anyone who claims otherwise is lying or stupid.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
    #22123508 - 08/21/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

although i recently turned down a medical mj card (to get cheaper weed) because i want my background to allow me to buy guns, plus i'm taking a break from weed and am clean because i'm trying to get a job.

so i don't i'm going to move to europe to just so i don't have to work and do drugs instead anytime soon.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
    #22123511 - 08/21/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My parents provide me with everything I need to survive, but you don't see me sitting around on my ass. If I'm not working on my education then I'm working a job, even if it doesn't pay well or if I don't like it. It's not even really for the money. I just hate not having tasks to work on, it's depressing as fuck and brings all the worst out of me. Laziness is its own punishment.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22123514 - 08/21/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol if you need a shitty job just so you can have something to do when you are perfectly well off, then you are an incredibly boring person. if i could afford to not work i would always be busy. the only reason i get lazy is because i can't afford to do anything.


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Re: openly being socialist? [Re: SurReality]
    #22123524 - 08/21/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How do you think my parents are able to provide for me like that? They make good money because they've been striving to better themselves their whole lives and they raised me to do the same. Life doesn't wait for you to get off your ass and make something of yourself.

I'm not boring at all, I just have this thing called a work ethic. Work hard, play hard. Having one without the other is unhealthy and leads to trouble.


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