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Mad Season
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In my links it says in multiple places no pooling water. That's what too much is.. so I'm not disagreeing, nor did I say he should mist too much. I said glistening. You want them to be glistening CONSTANTLY. This will bring CONSTANT evaporation in a chamber with high fae.
Believe it or not, the smaller the chamber, the better the fae. Why? Less area that needs to be exchanged. This is why you can do invitro with jars by leaving the lid loose, because the space in the jar is so small, so it gets many more exchanges per hour. If you left the lid loose on a mono (with no holes) you'd see very starved fruits. That cobbled with the guy shooting a fan at the chamber when you're clearly not supposed to.. how on earth would he have fae and high humidity problems?.. it's obvious it's dry in the pics. They're not glistening at all, and the verm is light, not the dark colour it's supposed to be. It's bruising from being dry.
A larger chamber will up humidity, and means he'd have to mist less. In his particular situation he either needs a larger chamber, or mist more OFTEN (not mist too much) to keep those cakes glistening 24/7. Either way he'll see lots of fruits.
Edited by Mad Season (08/21/15 12:39 PM)
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: Mad Season]
#22122287 - 08/21/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going out of town tomorrow for a day or two and my roommate is taking over....I absolutely have to figure I it how to get these going. The pic up too of the small bin...well those cakes are pinning like crazy...all of my other cakes in the monotubs are dry and no pins to speak up. Starting to think I need to say FUCK the shotgun tubs and just place the cakes in small tubs like the one shown. That tilub is just sitting in my room..85-90 degrees with very high humidity and no contams to speak of...please tell me how that makes sense
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: Mad Season]
#22122307 - 08/21/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Honestly don't know if I trust the shotgun tek anymore...at least not at my current apartment...it was a complete failure last time...and now I can't even get pins. Either way I have to do something about this today or its all screwed again.
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#22122369 - 08/21/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you show pics of your pins I bet they'd say they're starved of fae (assuming you're saying they're in tubs with no holes).
If you want more humidity, get a bigger chamber and raise them more than 1 inch from the boxes under them. 6 inches minimum.
Also they're dry because you aren't misting often enough!! You have to mist when they need it! Don't just complain they're dry :/
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: Mad Season]
#22122412 - 08/21/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's the tub pictured above...the small one..and I put knife holes all around it plus I fan. And idk why getting a bigger tub and raising it a little higher would magically fix the problem. My last batch may have molded but they pinned . these, while in a proper temp, are dry. And I have been misting a lot. The small bin cakes pinning a lot...it's sitting out in the heat of my apartment...the humidity is high. It seems perfect...I can't afford to take a risk of making minor changes like that when I'm going out of town unless it's a guarantee it will work. There are LITERALLY no pins in the shotgun tubs...but my small tub in higher temps than recommended in a unsterile enviroment are growing perfectly. What should I conclude from that? Beacaue I don see how a larger tub is going to make that drastic of an impact.
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#22122508 - 08/21/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look..."glistening" pins. absolutely no growth on anything in the shotgun tubs.
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#22122548 - 08/21/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wouldn't call that a sgfc man.. that's extremely deviated from the tek. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542
Read that top to bottom. It explains why the bottom holes are the most important, and why raising the chamber so they're not restricted is important. They're literally the source of all humidity.
Also a bigger chamber will have less air exchanges per hour.. so yeah it'll have more humidity.
They look glistening now. Gotta keep em like that. Sometimes shit takes longer to pin. It's called patience. I'm sure you've heard that in this hobby before 
Also everything in fruiting is unsterile. Even the shit I got going. Ambient air during fruiting doesn't cause contams. Even though that's where the contam may have come from. Why contams come is because the myc was weakened.
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Using a syringe instead of clean af agar is a lot more risky, and when it contaminates you have no idea what to blame.
What's always to blame is your mycelium shit the bed. Not your environment.
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Mad Season said: Um weakened mycelium comes from a huge array of things. Including spawn. Always ALWAYS work on improving your prep procedures.
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Mad Season said: There's lots of reasons. All of them stemming from the fact the mycelium shit the bed. And if it does sooner than it should, it's a problem that should be fixed. bacteria(more bacteria) through improperly sterilized grains(I've upped my pc times and changed grains too many times to count, but I'm loving oats, I do most qt jars 2 hours @15-20psi), improper pasteurization, improper hydration, hidden contams from improper procedures and there's many more stuff I bet you could improve on.
P.S. I didn't say toss them all. Just the ones with trich, and to always work on improving the conditions for the myc. The healthier the myc, the better things will be 
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hiperhiper said: so what's the right procedure with grains? I've checked the teks and nobody said anything about this. I didn't know I was not supposed to use syringe on grains. What is cleaning up syringe on agar? what does it mean?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18431006 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21889950/page/1
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: Mad Season]
#22122587 - 08/21/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The foil wasn't there when I originally did it. I put that on this go around to stop too much air exchange because I thought that was part of why it all molded before...I've changed it. No difference. Its not maintaining humidity/moisture at all.....keep in mind that these are the SAME EXACT tubs I used last time. They pinned and grew quickly. There were just contams. The only thing that's different between now than then is that I got the temperature of the room down. This is why I'm asking...and as you can see btw the pics I just posted a second ago...the standalone small tub with minimal air exchange plus misting and fanning is pinning fine.
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#22122610 - 08/21/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah just gotta be patient. Lower temps do reduce humidity (evaporation) though. In my first grow log it took about a month to see a first flush from all 17 trays. Just because something isn't pinning at the same time, doest mean it's shit. As long as it isn't contaminated, you've just gotta keep them happy and be patient.
Making a proper sgfc will definitely improve results though.
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: Mad Season]
#22122632 - 08/21/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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A month for your first flush? I may be new at this but I'm pretty sure that's that's highly unusual. I'm expecting it to pin in a matter of days...as far as I'm concerned. The first flush should take no more than a week and a half from start to finish. I don't have the time to be waiting a month...much less the patience for that.
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#22122653 - 08/21/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep a month. Sometimes it happens. Nothing you can do . As long as there's no visible contams, it'll pin when it's ready. You're at the mushrooms mercy! If you don't have patience you should get out early. This hobby is a demand of patience. Just make more projects to fill your time if you're impatient, and keep the things you've got going happy.
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: Mad Season]
#22122710 - 08/21/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yea..im not willing to accept that. Having to wait that long isn't even worth anyone's time. Of course I've read that it can take a couple weeks..but never a month. And no one I have ever met that grew had to wait that long...not saying you're wrong...just saying that's ridiculous. I mean if anything, I don't see why I shouldn't just induce pinning early. It took 2 days for the other cakes to start. I'm also moving out of my apartment relatively soon so waiting that long literally is just not an option. But aside from that...with cakes averaging 3-7 grams per flush...waiting a month each time?...definitely not worth it.
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#22122728 - 08/21/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey that was the last one in 17 trays.. Most people don't do that many stuff. The average was about 2 weeks to pin. Also that's why you do bulk broski! Anyone who does looks back at cakes and laughs
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: Mad Season]
#22122766 - 08/21/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I intend to when I move out of here. I live in a very ghetto area and I don't feel safe. I mean a guy forced his way into my apt with a gun a couple weeks ago...not,to,mention my apt is just shady in general. Last time I go through that realtor..... In the meantime I have 70 jars that I need to finish with in the next couple months. I'm impatient because I am limited on time..it's not like I have a choice right now.
I might try doubling the depth of the perlite...
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#22122783 - 08/21/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Make a few proper sgfcs. You won't regret it man. Especially if you have so many cakes lol
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: Mad Season]
#22122808 - 08/21/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going to..but not for the ones I already birthed. I need to research what's proper apparently. The tub in the picture you just posted doesn't look any bigger than mine...smaller in fact. I had thought the size of the tub should be related to how many jars you have so they can be close together.
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Re: Fruiting advice? (green contams) [Re: AuoraBorealis]
#22122870 - 08/21/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not sure how big it is. Everyone recommends 66 qt tho with a minimum of 4 inches of perlite. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542
This is really all you need to know with sgfc
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