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Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. * 3
    #22119638 - 08/21/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Haai everyone, :wave:

Decided to make a log on my experience with Psilocybe Tampanesis.

It wont be as detailed as my other logs, but if you have any questions feel free to ask, :super:

Mmkay, so I started with 4 clean qts of Whole Oats.



My sub consisted of:
Straw
Horse manure
Coffee grounds
Coir + Verm + Gypsum

all brought to field capacity and pasteurized for 2.5hrs at 145-150°F



The jars were soaked prior to spawning, for 30mins using tap water..

 

Everything was spawned into the 18Gal "Roughneck"

   

Didn't check the tub during colonization until Day 7



Day 10



Day 12



Looked ready at Day 12 so I prepped my casing layer; Jiffy mix enriched with some extra Vermiculite, and lime brought to field capacity, P.h'd at a neutral value of 7.



(1st week; fruiting)
The tub was "dialed", and misted as needed to keep from drying out, but I didn't see pins during the 1st week, which is unusual for me... so I began to wonder/worry...
Then again, Its my first time with tampanesis, so decided to give it another week or so..
Tbh, I briefly lost hope lol


(2nd week; fruiting)
Came home after running a few errands & to my surprise......PRIMADORA!!!!!!! (you already know I was dancing about) Granted, it took 2 weeks to pin..

   



Couple hrs later...

 

Day 2 of pinning..
(morning)

   

(afternoon/evening)

     
 

Day 3 of pinning..
(morning)

   

(evening/night)




Day 4
(afternoon)

   

Forgot to mist, so they got a tad bit dry.. lol


Day 5
(afternoon)


Seems some of the caps have opened.. Im not seeing any spore deposits, so I'll prob give it awhile longer before harvesting.




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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22119648 - 08/21/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

First! Also congrats my man. I will be monitoring


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22119825 - 08/21/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)




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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: impatientguy]
    #22119848 - 08/21/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:rockon:


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: cronicr]
    #22120676 - 08/21/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cool thread! Definitely excited to see the further progress. Does tamp myc generally look super weak and whispy?


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22120743 - 08/21/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

top grow there fella! looking forward to the trip report too :laugh:

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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: keeno]
    #22120774 - 08/21/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Looking awesome!


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    #22120953 - 08/21/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:woot:

beautifully done mr. fox! :hatsoff:


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: spacechildo]
    #22120958 - 08/21/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:popcorn::super:


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: spacechildo]
    #22120961 - 08/21/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:rockon: Great job man, keep the [pictures comin!


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: grownright]
    #22120988 - 08/21/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:flyhigh:


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: shroominmyroom]
    #22121009 - 08/21/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Day 3 of pinning..
(morning)

   


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22121023 - 08/21/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Day 3 of pinning..
(morning)

   



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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: stareatclouds]
    #22121029 - 08/21/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks everyone.
Quote:

stareatclouds said:
Cool thread! Definitely excited to see the further progress. Does tamp myc generally look super weak and whispy?




At first, yes...
But as the mycelia ages, it becomes much more pronounced. :thumbup:


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22121108 - 08/21/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good work, Fox.  :mushroom2:

Plan on doing any cloning and/or printing??


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: hamloaf]
    #22121177 - 08/21/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, hamloaf :sun:

Ohh yeah, I already have a few clusters picked out lol


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    #22121722 - 08/21/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:patriot:


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    #22122010 - 08/21/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:aweyeah:


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    #22122112 - 08/21/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What a guy!

I hope you will give us a look when they have matured.

What kind of sclerotia did you get from those jars--or did you wait for sclerotia to develop before spawning?


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: champinhom]
    #22122712 - 08/21/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:super:
I didnt let those jars form sclerotia..
This little jar did though, after making a liquid inoculate from it.

 


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox] * 2
    #22124758 - 08/21/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

(evening/night)



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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22125230 - 08/22/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Rocking grow, about to bulk my tampensis too.

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    #22125295 - 08/22/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Looking good. Do they get enough fae? They Look great but skinny. Maybe it's all perfect and they will thicken with time.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: impatientguy]
    #22125303 - 08/22/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They're tampanensis. Not cubensis. Completely different species. That's just how they look lol. Nice job fox


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    #22125650 - 08/22/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They're tampanensis. Not cubensis. Completely different species.



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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: taGyo]
    #22125710 - 08/22/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sweet man.I need to start over with mine. Got a shot of your setup? I'm curious what conditions your giving them.

It was a clone of a cluster btw.


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    #22126145 - 08/22/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ahh I see that makes sense.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: impatientguy]
    #22126282 - 08/22/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sick grow Fox!  Nice job :thumbup:


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22126551 - 08/22/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

nice going mr. fox. you always impress me. ive got some of these on a plate now showing signs of recovery from a transfer! can't wait.

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would you mind giving me a little more detail about your tote size? could you post a picture of the actual tub your using?

also what was the volume of the substrate and how deep do you think the sub is?

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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22127130 - 08/22/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sick grow Fox!  Nice job :thumbup:



Ohh shit, its Pastyy!!
Thankss fam,

Quote:

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Sweet man.I need to start over with mine. Got a shot of your setup? I'm curious what conditions your giving them.

It was a clone of a cluster btw.




:wave:
Rly? I had no idea,

But I'm not doing anything spectacular; treat them like I do cubensis..

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nice going mr. fox. you always impress me. ive got some of these on a plate now showing signs of recovery from a transfer! can't wait.

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would you mind giving me a little more detail about your tote size? could you post a picture of the actual tub your using?

also what was the volume of the substrate and how deep do you think the sub is?

thanks in advance.





Thanks eat, :smirk:

&& of course!

All of my tubs are 18gallons..
Not sure if your familiar with the Rubbermaid "roughneck" totes???

 

Im not too sure on the volume.. lol
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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22127159 - 08/22/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

thank you!:thumbup:

and now i know about the roughnecks. i actually use one of those for a mixing box. so i know exactly the size your talking about. you have a nice vertical height on those.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22127165 - 08/22/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Day 4
(afternoon)

   

Forgot to mist last night, so they got a tad bit dry.. lol


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22127640 - 08/22/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Beautiful stuff. I want to experiment with different species but I don't want to fuck it up lol.


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    #22127786 - 08/22/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dont doubt yourself..
It'll definitely be a new experience, but you'll learn from it either way... Rise, or fall..
Don't be deterred by exotics.
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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: impatientguy]
    #22128128 - 08/22/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Nice bro! Rock on!




Just now seeing thiss lol
"Dmt for breakfast, no gramflakes..
Psilocybin mushrooms on pancakes."

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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22131234 - 08/23/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Day 5
(afternoon)


Seems some of the caps have opened..
&& omg they are beautiful!!!!
Im not seeing any spore deposits, so I'll prob give it awhile longer..

This grow has been soooo muchhh FUN!!!


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22131305 - 08/23/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Day 5
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Seems some of the caps have opened..
&& omg they are beautiful!!!!
Im not seeing any spore deposits, so I'll prob give it awhile longer..

This grow has been soooo muchhh FUN!!!




I love reading/following your posts.

You always have cool "stuff" going on and I learn a grip.

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    #22131351 - 08/23/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22149163 - 08/26/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Day 5
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Seems some of the caps have opened..
&& omg they are beautiful!!!!
Im not seeing any spore deposits, so I'll prob give it awhile longer..

This grow has been soooo muchhh FUN!!!



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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22150054 - 08/27/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Fantastic Mr. Fox said:
Day 5
(afternoon)


Seems some of the caps have opened..
&& omg they are beautiful!!!!
Im not seeing any spore deposits, so I'll prob give it awhile longer..

This grow has been soooo muchhh FUN!!!



I have a print of these guys on the way here from another member, can't wait to try them out! Yours are looking great Mr. Fox! So tasty looking lol. I really hope those babies aren't sterile  I wanna see them bad boys :sploosh:


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: grownright]
    #22150826 - 08/27/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Fantastic Mr. Fox said:
Day 5
(afternoon)


Seems some of the caps have opened..
&& omg they are beautiful!!!!
Im not seeing any spore deposits, so I'll prob give it awhile longer..

This grow has been soooo muchhh FUN!!!




they deposit dark. what do you use to test ph and why 7?


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: tampaman]
    #22151473 - 08/27/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I use ph testing stripss,


'cause mold doesn't like a basic PH and will not germinate in such an environment. From what I understand, myc prefers a slightly acidic PH.
I usually adjust to 8.5ph, but ran out of lime & calcium carbonate.. lol


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22151958 - 08/27/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey how big are your fruits getting Mr. Fox?

I'm fruiting some tamps off cased grain and they're opening at like 1.5 inches tall. The caps don't look as big as yours do compared to the stipes.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Appalachian Brony]
    #22152195 - 08/27/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Looking great Mr Fox! Sorry I'm so late! I'd love to try my hand at those soon. Keep us updated!


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22153681 - 08/27/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Fantastic Mr. Fox said:
Day 5
(afternoon)


Seems some of the caps have opened..
&& omg they are beautiful!!!!
Im not seeing any spore deposits, so I'll prob give it awhile longer..

This grow has been soooo muchhh FUN!!!




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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #22153709 - 08/27/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That is sweet :rockon: if you get any spare prints maybe we can make a trade?


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #22155488 - 08/28/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey how big are your fruits getting Mr. Fox?

I'm fruiting some tamps off cased grain and they're opening at like 1.5 inches tall. The caps don't look as big as yours do compared to the stipes.





They were 2.5" tall, give or take..

Final weight was 15g dry! :sun:

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That is sweet :rockon: if you get any spare prints maybe we can make a trade?




Sorry, no can do!
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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22155707 - 08/28/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's alright, but still good Job man :highfive1:


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22155741 - 08/28/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Fantastic Mr. Fox said:
They were 2.5" tall, give or take..

Final weight was 15g dry! :sun:





Right on, it seems like actually spawning yields better results than straight casing. My biggest caps are 1cm wide and the tallest ones are maybe reaching 2 inches now.

That's a nice yield of these fuckers! Nice job! :rockon:


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #22155812 - 08/28/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks,
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Quote:

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Quote:

Fantastic Mr. Fox said:
They were 2.5" tall, give or take..

Final weight was 15g dry! :sun:





Right on, it seems like actually spawning yields better results than straight casing. My biggest caps are 1cm wide and the tallest ones are maybe reaching 2 inches now.

That's a nice yield of these fuckers! Nice job! :rockon:




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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22651420 - 12/13/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

damn that tamp culture you have must be a heavy fruiter. those guys didn't wanna fruit for me but produced some really nice stones. im going to give them a go again real soon. probably on the new year.:thumbup:
could you post that awesome tub you posted in picture of the day?


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: eatyualive]
    #22652250 - 12/13/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, those look great. Is it just a trick of the camera somehow, or are the stems actually hairy? Some of the pics make the stems look sparkly, but i'm guessing that's water droplets on the 'hairs' reflecting with the flash.

I'd really like to do an outside grow of those eventually.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: myceliumEX]
    #22652397 - 12/13/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I forgot about this thread. :lol:

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Wow, those look great. Is it just a trick of the camera somehow, or are the stems actually hairy? Some of the pics make the stems look sparkly, but i'm guessing that's water droplets on the 'hairs' reflecting with the flash.

I'd really like to do an outside grow of those eventually.




Hahahah!
Funny, I thought the exact same thing when I saw my first fruits. Like "omg little hairs!!!"
But no its just the stipe. It sorta "shreds/splits" as the fruit body matures.

Same thing with panaeolus & mexicana spp.
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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: eatyualive]
    #22652415 - 12/13/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)


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damn that tamp culture you have must be a heavy fruiter. those guys didn't wanna fruit for me but produced some really nice stones. im going to give them a go again real soon. probably on the new year.:thumbup:
could you post that awesome tub you posted in picture of the day?




Unfortunately I can't get a good clone sample onto agar, these damn fruits are to thin.
I may have to go LC --> agar.

Was your tamp from MS?
If it's producing stones then it should produce fruits... IMO


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox] * 1
    #22652421 - 12/13/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Tampanesis still maturing...


Another angle


Few fruits next to IPV mini, for size comparison


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22652433 - 12/13/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

have you tried just putting a whole fruit into a jar of ISO or dilute bleach water and just cutting off a piece of the stem to agar for cloning fox?
I had some good success doing that with pans, I didnt have a chance of splitting the stem and taking tissue from the inside either!


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: spacechildo]
    #22652441 - 12/13/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

No, I have not.
I'll try that out! Thanks, space

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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22652448 - 12/13/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I'd have to say the dilute bleach, alcohol turns the mushroom so black and soggy nasty it doesnt look good on the agar.
havent done as many tries with bleach yet but it seems to be working real good so far!


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: spacechildo]
    #22654189 - 12/14/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Mr Fox! Good to know.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: myceliumEX]
    #22654262 - 12/14/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Badass dude. Report back on how many stones you pull out of the substrate too!


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22654929 - 12/14/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Tampanesis still maturing...


Another angle


Few fruits next to IPV mini, for size comparison




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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: eatyualive]
    #22654942 - 12/14/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: myceliumEX]
    #22655892 - 12/14/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks Mr Fox! Good to know.




welcome

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Quote:

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Tampanesis still maturing...


Another angle


Few fruits next to IPV mini, for size comparison




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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22656230 - 12/14/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Fox,

Do tamps need quite a bit of manure to fruit? I only have access to chicken poo right now, but I have a feeling 5% poo in the sub isn't enough.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: stareatclouds]
    #22656418 - 12/14/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

No they don't require manure to fruit. They're a grass loving sp, not dung loving.

Anyway, I'm sure you could get away with coir, coffee, vermiculite and gypsum.

I've only every used poo in my substrate. Even my first grow, which was Ps Aussi in a casing with crumbled sheep manure.
Never used chicken manure, so I cannot speak on it.
Tbh, I've always been afraid of using it in my substrates after hearing all the bad exp ppl have had with it. Seems too easy to go overboard with it since it's so "hot"
Idk thts just me... Maybe someone else with more knowledge, and experience on the matter can step in.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22656480 - 12/14/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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No they don't require manure to fruit. They're a grass loving sp, not dung loving.

Anyway, I'm sure you could get away with coir, coffee, vermiculite and gypsum.

I've only every used poo in my substrate. Even my first grow, which was Ps Aussi in a casing with crumbled sheep manure.
Never used chicken manure, so I cannot speak on it.
Tbh, I've always been afraid of using it in my substrates after hearing all the bad exp ppl have had with it. Seems too easy to go overboard with it since it's so "hot"
Idk thts just me... Maybe someone else with more knowledge, and experience on the matter can step in.




Yep they love grass. I tried an ATL7 tub a while back that was 50/50 poo/verm. It never fruited and then triched out after a month. The tub I cased today is 50/50 straw/coir and I can already tell the difference.

Now I haven't put nearly as much work into growing these as you but I think I will refrain from using anything nitrogen rich and see how it does.

To those ends I think I'm getting a P. semilanceata print soon and I'm going to be very interested in growing those in the same way as galindoi/tampanensis. Apparently they produce stones and love eating grasses, so we'll see...

In fact, from everything I've seen, cubes and Panaeolus spp are the only magic mushrooms that grow directly on manure.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: NumeroEno]
    #22656756 - 12/14/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

That's interesting. I think I'll try a tamp grow pretty soon on CVG and see how that works.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: stareatclouds]
    #22681620 - 12/20/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Finally found a clone worthy tampanesis fruit/cluster.
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    #22681718 - 12/20/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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That's interesting. I think I'll try a tamp grow pretty soon on CVG and see how that works.



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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22683070 - 12/21/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

God, Sir. Fox why must you always impress us this much?! I'm jealous!

Amazing grows as always..

One question though, I got an ATL producing stones right now, when i harvest, do you suggest i dunk it in tap water like you did for these tamps? Would it be better if i boil the water to kill any bad microbes then cool it and dunk?

One more thing bruv :lmafo: when i get it to colonize in a tub (as in just straight rye) can i just case with jiffy or coir without lime, cus i can't find lime anywhere here lol. What's your suggestion for a good casing material without lime :S

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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #22684761 - 12/21/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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God, Sir. Fox why must you always impress us this much?! I'm jealous!

Amazing grows as always..

One question though, I got an ATL producing stones right now, when i harvest, do you suggest i dunk it in tap water like you did for these tamps? Would it be better if i boil the water to kill any bad microbes then cool it and dunk?

One more thing bruv :lmafo: when i get it to colonize in a tub (as in just straight rye) can i just case with jiffy or coir without lime, cus i can't find lime anywhere here lol. What's your suggestion for a good casing material without lime :S

All hail the almighty Fox  :hitler:




lol
Thanks, Teemo

You can dunk in straight tap, there is no need to go boiling it. It's already treated..
I dunk my grains for 20-30mins.

As far as spawning/casing.. Don't case straight rye grain, spawn it to some bulk. Also don't use coir as a casing.. I recommend Jiffy mix, it's non nutritious and generally PH'd to a value of 7 depending on your batch. If not, close enough..

The only time I see it absolutely necessary to PH balance is when making your own casing from scratch. Like I said, Jiffy is already balanced so all you need to do is hydrate, and pasteurize.


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22686611 - 12/22/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Do you also harvest the sclerotia when its spawned to bulk?

Heard that it would have pieces of the bulk material in it, or wouldn't it matter?


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    #22687003 - 12/22/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I was kind of wondering the same thing do you only fruit it or do you actually get the stones too


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    #22694267 - 12/24/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

So would sclerotia actually taste like shit if i spawn it to shit or coir?

I want to start spawning it, heard really good things of it being more potent and yields are horrendous.


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    #22694356 - 12/24/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Haai everyone, :wave:

Decided to make a log on my experience with Psilocybe Tampanesis.

It wont be as detailed as my other logs, but if you have any questions feel free to ask, :super:

Mmkay, so I started with 4 clean qts of Whole Oats.



My sub consisted of:
Straw
Horse manure
Coffee grounds
Coir + Verm + Gypsum

all brought to field capacity and pasteurized for 2.5hrs at 145-150°F



The jars were soaked prior to spawning, for 30mins using tap water..

 

Everything was spawned into the 18Gal "Roughneck"

   

Didn't check the tub during colonization until Day 7



Day 10



Day 12



Looked ready at Day 12 so I prepped my casing layer; Jiffy mix enriched with some extra Vermiculite, and lime brought to field capacity, P.h'd at a neutral value of 7.



(1st week; fruiting)
The tub was "dialed", and misted as needed to keep from drying out, but I didn't see pins during the 1st week, which is unusual for me... so I began to wonder/worry...
Then again, Its my first time with tampanesis, so decided to give it another week or so..
Tbh, I briefly lost hope lol


(2nd week; fruiting)
Came home after running a few errands & to my surprise......PRIMADORA!!!!!!! (you already know I was dancing about) Granted, it took 2 weeks to pin..

   



Couple hrs later...

 

Day 2 of pinning..
(morning)

   

(afternoon/evening)

     
 

Day 3 of pinning..
(morning)

   

(evening/night)




Day 4
(afternoon)

   

Forgot to mist, so they got a tad bit dry.. lol


Day 5
(afternoon)


Seems some of the caps have opened.. Im not seeing any spore deposits, so I'll prob give it awhile longer before harvesting.







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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #22694520 - 12/24/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Sclerotia tastes like sclerotia.
Has a sorta sour/nutty flavor profile.

substrate doesn't effect the taste.. atleast in my experience

Spawning is the only way to go IMO..
Everything does better when spawned to bulk.


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    #22694536 - 12/24/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Fantastic Mr. Fox said:
Haai everyone, :wave:

Decided to make a log on my experience with Psilocybe Tampanesis.

It wont be as detailed as my other logs, but if you have any questions feel free to ask, :super:

Mmkay, so I started with 4 clean qts of Whole Oats.



My sub consisted of:
Straw
Horse manure
Coffee grounds
Coir + Verm + Gypsum

all brought to field capacity and pasteurized for 2.5hrs at 145-150°F



The jars were soaked prior to spawning, for 30mins using tap water..

 

Everything was spawned into the 18Gal "Roughneck"

   

Didn't check the tub during colonization until Day 7



Day 10



Day 12



Looked ready at Day 12 so I prepped my casing layer; Jiffy mix enriched with some extra Vermiculite, and lime brought to field capacity, P.h'd at a neutral value of 7.



(1st week; fruiting)
The tub was "dialed", and misted as needed to keep from drying out, but I didn't see pins during the 1st week, which is unusual for me... so I began to wonder/worry...
Then again, Its my first time with tampanesis, so decided to give it another week or so..
Tbh, I briefly lost hope lol


(2nd week; fruiting)
Came home after running a few errands & to my surprise......PRIMADORA!!!!!!! (you already know I was dancing about) Granted, it took 2 weeks to pin..

   



Couple hrs later...

 

Day 2 of pinning..
(morning)

   

(afternoon/evening)

     
 

Day 3 of pinning..
(morning)

   

(evening/night)




Day 4
(afternoon)

   

Forgot to mist, so they got a tad bit dry.. lol


Day 5
(afternoon)


Seems some of the caps have opened.. Im not seeing any spore deposits, so I'll prob give it awhile longer before harvesting.







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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22694726 - 12/24/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Sclerotia tastes like sclerotia.
Has a sorta sour/nutty flavor profile.

substrate doesn't effect the taste.. atleast in my experience

Spawning is the only way to go IMO..
Everything does better when spawned to bulk.



Aight, always thought it was a better method to do than just keeping it in jar..

But i was kind of hesitant to do so cus i read that the sclerotia will contain the substrate in it and comments like "if you want to eat hpoo sclerotia then do it"  lol

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    #22695319 - 12/24/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Sclerotia envelopes substrate, but with some patience and a vegetable/tooth brush you can get stones pretty clean.


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    #22708924 - 12/28/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Tampanesis fruitbody Clone #1


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    #22709026 - 12/28/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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    #22766194 - 01/11/16 02:43 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

Tampanesis fruit clone on RGS


Slanted


Even made an LC :grin:


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    #22766422 - 01/11/16 03:52 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

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    #22766651 - 01/11/16 04:46 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

Thankyou, Psilo!
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    #22766886 - 01/11/16 05:43 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

Inspiring Fanatic Mr. Fox! Looking forward to doing my own Tampanensis sometime.

Curious, what would happen if one were to clone from a sclerotia. I'm thinking myc is myc, so it would just grow and act like any other myc? Meaning cloning sclerotia won't get you a new sclerotia, just mycelium that that acts like any other?

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    #22767304 - 01/11/16 07:17 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Thanks for all the kind words!

If you cut open the sclerotia and take a tissue sample then you would have successfully cloned the sclerotia, meaning any jar you inoculate with that culture will produce stones identical to the one you cloned.
Same goes with fruits that have been cloned.

It's a good idea to keep a MS culture on hand though, just in case you want to work with new genetics


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    #22767382 - 01/11/16 07:32 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

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So would sclerotia actually taste like shit if i spawn it to shit or coir?

I want to start spawning it, heard really good things of it being more potent and yields are horrendous.




I had a failed fruiting attempt and harvested the stones before I discarded the substrate. I didn't notice a change in flavor. Tasted like sheet before and after the exposure to the sub. :shrug:


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    #22768750 - 01/12/16 04:23 AM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Maybe something is wrong with your taste buds :laugh2:

I heard it has more of a nutty flavour..

Will be tasting mine soon though so we'll see..


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    #22770298 - 01/12/16 02:01 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

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Thanks for all the kind words!

If you cut open the sclerotia and take a tissue sample then you would have successfully cloned the sclerotia, meaning any jar you inoculate with that culture will produce stones identical to the one you cloned.
Same goes with fruits that have been cloned.

It's a good idea to keep a MS culture on hand though, just in case you want to work with new genetics




Re-reading my question, seems kinda dumb. Maybe naive is a better choice of words? Anyway, I was thinking maybe if you cloned the stone, could you then directly grow a stone. That's silly now that I re-read it though. Cloning a stone would get you more Tampanensis. derp.

Wait, you did say "that culture [produced from the huge stone clone] would produce identical stones to the stone that was cloned" So I was sort of on the right thought path... Does this mean that stone formation isn't random, depending on environmental factors, it's based on genetics?

Thinking out loud here, if you were to clone from a huge stone, (let's assume for the sake of argument, isolated down to the "huge stone" genetics if need be), then grow out the "huge stone strain", will all of the stones produced be the same huge stone of the original clone?

If that is the case, cloning/isolating out a huge stone strain seems like it could be a worthwhile project.

These Tampanensis grow so long and skinny, with tiny caps. Mush is such a neat organism.

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    #22770473 - 01/12/16 02:45 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

No, no your fine.
No question is a dumb question.. That's how we learn!
You'd be naive to not ask a question pertaining to what you don't know.

Anyway, environment and genetics play a role in stone formation. The culture won't produce stones unless under environmental stress & the genetics dictates the characteristics of the stones produced by thus said culture.

Stone cloning is very rewarding indeed!
If you clone a huge stone from an MS inoculated jar, all the jars you start with the clone culture will produce stones just like the one you cloned. :sun:

Idk how cult savvy you are, but if your going to be cloning giant stones, I'd look into making up a few bags, rather than jars.

&I don't see any need to isolate with stone producers, but cloning is paramount IMO

Idk if your interested in fruitbodies, but it's a good idea to have a strong stone clone && fruit clone when dealing with sclerotia producers.

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    #22770808 - 01/12/16 04:03 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Wow, that is awesome. Thanks for clearing things up, it's greatly appreciated.

I noc'd up my first jars ever this morning. Felt like a complete disaster at the time, but I'm feeling pretty good about it now. Screwed up a few things, but I think overall, my sterile techniques were solid. "My 1st rodeo" in mush cult if you get bored. Be prepared, there are a couple of monster posts from me.

Not very savvy with anything quite yet. I've been lurking/reading/learning for a long time. Sporeworks stocking stuffer special finally convinced me to stop researching, and start experimenting.

Love fruit bodies, and stones. All things mush really. Makes sense that you'd want both a strong fruiter, and stone producer. From what I've read from a few people that have proven themselves with the Mexicana family, (mostly stonesun, and a lot of good info from cervantes/rose too) These guys are usually either good fruiters, or good stone producers, not both. IIRC Tampanensis is "known" to be a potent, descent fruiter, with average to low numbers of smallish to medium stones (on average i'd think.) This thread is showing Tampanensis' fruiting capabilities. :laugh:

I have a Jalisco syringe. It's known to be rather potent, a great fruiter, but crappy stone producer. If I'm understanding you correctly, depending on the skills of the cultivator, a great fruiter, and huge stone producer could potentially be isolated from any of the Mexicanas? Once I develop more skills, and get some experience, sounds like a perfect project.

Also makes sense what you said about stone formation, and the stressors needed to force the production of them. I forgot that stones are a long term survival strategy. According to stonesun, ATL/Gandolini, and Mexicana "A" iirc are the best fruiters/sclerotia maker combinations. I really, really want to do an ATL/Gandolini stealth/neglect grow.

Once I get my hands on some, planned to noc up a large jar (I saw a gallon mason jar at wallyworld :O to bad it won't fit in my PC), then "forget it" somewhere for around 6 months, harvest all of the sclerotia I can, then fruit the remaining spawn to bulk. Might try the same with this Jalisco I have sooner rather than later.

Does that sound like a half way plausible plan?

So much info, so little time.

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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: myceliumEX]
    #22771815 - 01/12/16 07:33 PM (8 years, 18 days ago)

Hah, I was once a lurker myself, but we've all got to start somewhere. :smile:

I only have experience with Galindoi, Tampenesis, Jalisco & Chicon nindo. Galindoi & Tampanesis both proved to be great fruiters && stone producers for me so far.
For some reason my Chicon Nindo culture/jars aren't producing any stones what so ever. The mycelia has ambered over (turned orange) but no stones. lol
Maybe it'll be a prolific fruiter :shrug:
Either way I won't know until I move at the end of the month. Right now they're in ziplocks stored away in my refrigerator.

I do have Jalisco going from agar wedge & it immediately started forming stones from the wedge itself. I haven't fruited it yet though. (waiting until after the move)

Here's the Jalisco jar Im speaking of: (it's 100% now)


&& yes, any stone producer/mexicana can be a good fruiter and stone producer. All it takes is patience and perseverance.

Did you inoculate your jars with a syringe?
I hope not... There's no guarantee that the syringe is 100% clean, so inoculating jars with it is in a way a crapshoot. You'll be wise to start your syringes on a 2D nutrient rich surface like agar-agar. That way you can isolate the clean myc from contaminates.
Furthermore, I wouldn't start with gallon jars esp. with a syringe. If you decide to go with gallon jars only fill them half way, 3/4 max! Sterilize for a minimum of 2hrs and 30mins && inoculate with either LC, LI or G2G. Don't inoculate with spores or an agar wedge, it'll surely fail.

Hope that helps.

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    #22772430 - 01/12/16 09:53 PM (8 years, 18 days ago)

Very inspiring Mr. Fox!

I started some Tampanesis Agar plates from ms a bit ago and im on the 5th transfer. about 2 weeks ago i was looking at an older plate from the 2nd transfer and i found one of the plates had a 1/2" long pin growing out of the culture. I transferred the small fruit body to a new plate and now am on my 2nd transfer from that clone. the grow rate from this sample is definitely out performing the other samples I have on plates that i transferred at the same time.

From what im reading in previous posts it sounds like this sample is promising as a fruiter. Looking forward to giving it a shot in the near future.


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    #22772603 - 01/12/16 10:57 PM (8 years, 18 days ago)

What's the fruiting time like on tamps (sorry if this was already covered) I made a tray up with 2 pints tamps spawn to cvg, cased...well really just a thicker top layer...the stones destroyed the sub before I got any fruits...


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    #22772779 - 01/13/16 12:03 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

Which is why I'm solely against spawning the stones into the bulk substrate, unless you're after bigger stones.
I'll spawn the small gravel-like stones, but never the massive ones because they're bound to bust shit up as they grow.

I get fruits within 8days usually, but it has taken up to 2 weeks (14days)

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Very inspiring Mr. Fox!

I started some Tampanesis Agar plates from ms a bit ago and im on the 5th transfer. about 2 weeks ago i was looking at an older plate from the 2nd transfer and i found one of the plates had a 1/2" long pin growing out of the culture. I transferred the small fruit body to a new plate and now am on my 2nd transfer from that clone. the grow rate from this sample is definitely out performing the other samples I have on plates that i transferred at the same time.

From what im reading in previous posts it sounds like this sample is promising as a fruiter. Looking forward to giving it a shot in the near future.




Nice my friend!
&& Tnx
Lately I've been hearing alot of occurrences where people are finding pins on their tampan plates. Good shit.

You should have yourself a nice fruiting culture there. ;)


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    #22773280 - 01/13/16 04:57 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

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Hah, I was once a lurker myself, but we've all got to start somewhere. :smile:

I only have experience with Galindoi, Tampenesis, Jalisco & Chicon nindo. Galindoi & Tampanesis both proved to be great fruiters && stone producers for me so far.
For some reason my Chicon Nindo culture/jars aren't producing any stones what so ever. The mycelia has ambered over (turned orange) but no stones. lol
Maybe it'll be a prolific fruiter :shrug:
Either way I won't know until I move at the end of the month. Right now they're in ziplocks stored away in my refrigerator.

I do have Jalisco going from agar wedge & it immediately started forming stones from the wedge itself. I haven't fruited it yet though. (waiting until after the move)

Here's the Jalisco jar Im speaking of: (it's 100% now)


&& yes, any stone producer/mexicana can be a good fruiter and stone producer. All it takes is patience and perseverance.

Did you inoculate your jars with a syringe?
I hope not... There's no guarantee that the syringe is 100% clean, so inoculating jars with it is in a way a crapshoot. You'll be wise to start your syringes on a 2D nutrient rich surface like agar-agar. That way you can isolate the clean myc from contaminates.
Furthermore, I wouldn't start with gallon jars esp. with a syringe. If you decide to go with gallon jars only fill them half way, 3/4 max! Sterilize for a minimum of 2hrs and 30mins && inoculate with either LC, LI or G2G. Don't inoculate with spores or an agar wedge, it'll surely fail.

Hope that helps.

Don't rush through, take your time man.. you want to fully grasp each stage/process.




I can think of worse things to be other than a lurker :laugh:

Never heard of Chico nindo, adding it to my list. I'd really like to do an outside grow of Tampanensis eventually. Interesting you got large stones from the Tampanensis. Was that after agar/isolation, or was that MS? Everything I've read about the Tampans says their stones are rather lackluster. Nice to hear otherwise. No way would I attempt to noc a gallon jar via MS.

I don't have any agar, nor any agar related tools/supplies yet. It's planned. Should be soon.

Yes, I noc'd all 5 Chitwan jars via MS syringe. I just couldn't wait. I know there are contam risks, and the genetics are a crapshoot at best. Imho, possibly some cubes are better than not even trying, and/or none. I can't wait to get home and see what I have happening after 24 hrs. I know there won't be much this soon yet. I noc'd up a quart jar w/about 2 - 2.5cc. A couple people said that was more than enough. Hoping that means the myc will go crazy. If I get at least 1 solid jar, I'll be happy, and will probably use it for a G2G if I don't have anything agar yet.

Question. I will be researching this as well, but is there anything I can substitute in place of agar? Not the process, l mean the actual agar medium. I think every tek I've seen requires at least some agar. If not, will just have to wait for the FUNds.

Is "ambering over" a precursor to stone production?

I'm very happy to hear your experience with Jalisco. Looking forward to using it even more now. :rockon:

I doubt I'll use a gallon jar. Especially as I don't think it'll fit in my 17qt Presto. Was more thinking/dreaming out loud. Plus those gallon jars are enormous!

Like I've hinted at, and said before, I want to do an outside grow of the Tampanensis. I figure i'll have a pretty good chance at success as I'm not all that far from where the only known wild fruit was found. I have my heart set on a stealth/neglect grow with the Gandoli/ATL for some reason.

I did read quite a bit about using MS. To help prevent contams from the needle, I squirted a tiny bit of solution out, then flamed the needle glowing red. Hope that does the trick. I'm pretty sure these luer-lock needles are PC'able right? Is it worth it? I know they are cheap to buy online, but they could be free if I'm waiting for them to ship ya know.

Definitely not rushing anything. I'm doing my best to learn everything I can. With people like you around here, sure makes things much more fun. I have a few cultivation/mush bio books to read in addition to these amazing forums.

Thank you so much for all your help/feedback/insight Mr Fox!

PS wrote this from my phone. Tried to catch typos and anything that doesn't make sense. The damn auto-correct doesn't know enough mycology yet, and makes some words a real PITA.


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    #22773283 - 01/13/16 05:00 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

Forgot one thing, that Jalisco jar is looking awesome. I hope my Chit jars are looking even a tiny bit like that Jalisco jar. :laugh:


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    #22773371 - 01/13/16 06:06 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

I don't think there's any substitute for agar, we just use it to make a 2D surface, can't you buy online? it's really cheap..

If you can't buy online, you can find them in supermarkets/Asian stores, they come in packages like this... Sometimes in different packages but just ask the store employees.


And there are many teks for agar, i myself use Pasty's agar tek, very easy, and all the ingredient are found in any grocery shops...

As for other supplies, you don't really need them, you can substitute them with anything, you don't need to be all professional, like instead of petri dishes, i use normal food plastic dishes, that have a sign PP5 on them.

As for scalpels i actually use those normal extendible razor blades, hasn't failed me yet...  :lmafo:



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    #22773680 - 01/13/16 08:16 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

myceliumEX said:

"Is "ambering over" a precursor to stone production?"

Sometimes you get something that looks like this:



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    #22774109 - 01/13/16 11:01 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

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myceliumEX said:

"Is "ambering over" a precursor to stone production?"

Sometimes you get something that looks like this:






Thanks booster. I've seen that before in other posts/pics. I always thought it looked scary, and maybe even contaminated! Glad you showed me this, so if/when it happens to me I won't freak out :smile: So it's not necessarily related to stones, just myc. Does it actually mean anything when the myc does this?

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I don't think there's any substitute for agar, we just use it to make a 2D surface, can't you buy online? it's really cheap..

If you can't buy online, you can find them in supermarkets/Asian stores, they come in packages like this... Sometimes in different packages but just ask the store employees.


And there are many teks for agar, i myself use Pasty's agar tek, very easy, and all the ingredient are found in any grocery shops...

As for other supplies, you don't really need them, you can substitute them with anything, you don't need to be all professional, like instead of petri dishes, i use normal food plastic dishes, that have a sign PP5 on them.

As for scalpels i actually use those normal extendible razor blades, hasn't failed me yet...  :lmafo:





I can order online, and I saw that it is super cheap. Just need the money, and time for it to get here once I order it. Damnit, I completely forgot that agar agar is available at the grocery store. Thanks for posting what the package looks like.

Point taken about using a container in lieu of a petri dish. You said you use "normal food plastic dishes, that have the sign PP5 on them" I've never seen PP5 on a dish, though I was never actually looking for it. Guess I'll see it soon enough. IIRC, pasty talks about the dishes to use in the pasty plate tek anyway.

So with a petri dish the lid is held in place with parafilm, which allows proper GE for the culture. Does a PP5 dish come with a lid that provides proper GE? I doubt it since it's primarily intended to hold food, not myc cultures :wink: I'm guessing I'd need to use GLAD wrap (saran wrap isn't made from the right compound) to close the dish?

Wait, not sure why I'm asking here polluting Mr Fox's awesome Tampanensis thread :facepalm: I'm sure the Pasty Plate tek goes into all those details. Thanks for pointers Teemo! I'll be agar agar'ing like a mofo soon enough. :laugh:

Maybe I'll study some of this Jalisco sooner rather than later once I get some pasty plates going.

I didn't mean to highjack your awesome Tampanensis grow thread Mr. Fox! Hopefully I'll have a Jalisco post with similar results before to long!

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    #22774139 - 01/13/16 11:09 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

I have seen it go different ways. Some jars do turn weird colors and some don't. :shrug: I am currently doing stress tests on different jars to see if this will lead to this phenomenon. I don't know what the reason is for it ATM. Maybe Mr. Fox or someone else does?


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: bootster]
    #22774160 - 01/13/16 11:19 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

No need for GE holes in the PP5 dishes, the size has sufficient amounts of gases for mycelium growth, although, if you want, you can still possibly melt a small hole with a nail on the lid and stuff it tightly with polyfil..


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: bootster]
    #22774187 - 01/13/16 11:32 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

From everything that I've been reading, the mushrooms will "tell us what they need". Ambering over, and turning other colors must mean something I'd think...

That, or it may just be the myc digesting the grains. Mushrooms excrete digestive enzymes. The enzymes break down the grain, and then the myc absorbs the goodies as they colonize the grain. Pretty wild they digest their sustenance outside their body. If I used the wrong terms, please someone correct me.

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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: myceliumEX]
    #22774215 - 01/13/16 11:42 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

Thanks Teemo.

Mr Fox, I found the following from workman in this thread.
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Tampanensis is the slowest growing and least productive of the three species but the sclerotia quality is highly rated. It is easier to get mushrooms than Mexicana A, but they are often deformed and sporeless. A relatively new isolate (Tamp#3) produces normal looking mushrooms with good spore production.

Mexicana Jalisco, moderate sclerotia yield, easy to fruit, large mushrooms with good spore production.





Seems my memory failed about Tampanensis stones. Oops! Based on this thread, if Tampanensis is "the slowest growing and least productive" then I really wonder what Jalisco, or ATL/Gandolini will do. After reading that, the Jalisco sounds like it will be even more fun to study on agar! That's it, going to the grocery store for agar supplies!


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Re: Mr. Fox's Tampanesis.. [Re: myceliumEX]
    #22774219 - 01/13/16 11:43 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

Here is Chicon Nindo with the "ambering over" on a plate:



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