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Deemster problems (help guys!!)
    #22118526 - 08/20/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So I've done the extraction a couple of years ago everything went perfecto white to slightly yellowish off white crystals.  So I'm trying again for the first time in years and I cannot get these crystals to stay in a crystal form after freeze precipitating.

WHAT IM DOING AND THE ORDER IM DOING IT
-set up my mhrb /lye mixture and wait 24 hrs
-Add lye to mixture and wait for migration of alkaloids
-use hdpe turkey basterr to remove lye and add to ball jar
-freeze precipitate for 24 hours and some NIICE white crystals are coating the bottom of the jar
NOW HERE IS WHERE ITs REALLY FRUSTRATING ME (mostly bc I have not changed my procedure from last time .
-I pour off every drop of naphtha I can and do one of two things: I'll re dissolve the xtals in more (tiny bit) CLEAN FRESH naphtha and transfer to plate for easy scraping  after evap OR I've also tried just let the xtals evap in the jar

IM ALWAYS ENDING UP WITH YELLOWISH/AMBER GOO WITH EITHER PROCEDURE THIS NEVER HAPPENED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WTF AM I DOING WRONG?

PS when I let the xtals evap in the jar without re dissolving for easy scraping the JAR ends up warming up and there is a bit of residual naphtha they re dissolve into should I pour off the naphtha And then put the jar back in the freezer UPSIDE DOWN so the naphtha will be pulled to the bottom and the xtals will stay frozen in the bottom of the jar?

Any help would be mucho appreciated I'm at a fkn loss guys and I've done so many pulls in the past EXACTLY the same way Nd never had this happen

PPS - there is dmt in the goo I've smoked it but it seems considerably less potent than the amount of white xtals I spy after precipitating


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #22118578 - 08/20/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your problem is definitely the turkey badger your using. I'm not keen on dmt synth though. Someone will chime in soon. Good luck!


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: BoomBoom]
    #22118589 - 08/20/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Haha I just edited that


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #22118866 - 08/20/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds kinda like you are extracting ACRB but u thought it was MHRB.

How certain that the root bark is in fact Mimosa?

Did u pick a new vendor lately by chance?


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22118910 - 08/20/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nah man this is definitely mimosa it's exactly the same color and consistency as mhrb I was surprised to find someone vending it on a popular auction site with excellent feedback.  And if it was acrb why would the crystals precip out? Wouldn't the freeze precip be the step that goes wrong ? Because the naphtha is getting the dmt

EDIT is acrb the same color and consistency?


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #22119534 - 08/20/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

consistency is similar, though that depends on how shredded it is. Color wise, I think acacia is a bit less purple. But IMO the best indicator is smell. If you've worked with mimosa before you'll notice the difference.

Lose the jar and just transfer your naphtha pulls into an easy to scrape container before you do the freeze precipitation. That way you can dry the crystals and scrape them while they're nice and white. Your problem is recrystallizing them with naphtha again at room temperature through evaporation. It's the same thing Bill is doing lately and IMO is a step backwards.


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: Icon]
    #22119568 - 08/21/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Lose the jar and just transfer your naphtha pulls into an easy to scrape container before you do the freeze precipitation. That way you can dry the crystals and scrape them while they're nice and white. Your problem is recrystallizing them with naphtha again at room temperature through evaporation. It's the same thing Bill is doing lately and IMO is a step backwards.


ok i hear you but why would the xtals that i leave in the jar AND DONT RECRYSTALIZE end up redissolving in residual naptha and ending up as goo? I cant seem to pour off every little drop and when it hits room temperature it drys all sticky.  The only thing i can think of is that i had the old successfull extraction sitting next to an electric conduction heater for a  few days so it maybe got exceptionally good yields?


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: Icon] * 2
    #22119581 - 08/21/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Try freeze precipitating in a flat glass baking dish instead.

Also man, when your jar is resting with the plant matter/naptha/lye mixture, put it in the bathtub with a few inches of hot water. This improves yield big time by breaking down cell walls


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #22119589 - 08/21/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Okay guys I will report back with results and hopefully pics of some fluffy white spice will definitely do the bathtub thang


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #22120728 - 08/21/15 05:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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ok i hear you but why would the xtals that i leave in the jar AND DONT RECRYSTALIZE end up redissolving in residual naptha and ending up as goo? I cant seem to pour off every little drop and when it hits room temperature it drys all sticky.  The only thing i can think of is that i had the old successfull extraction sitting next to an electric conduction heater for a  few days so it maybe got exceptionally good yields?




that has only ever happened to me on my first extract and I think it was because there was too much residual naphtha like you said so it dissolves the crystals as they warm up. What I do now is pour off all the naphtha then leave it upside down in the freezer for 10 minutes to drip any residual away from the crystals. Then I take the dish back out and prop it upside down in front of a fan. Haven't had anything redissolve since.


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #22120745 - 08/21/15 05:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The goo is fine. It works the same in a machine as anything else.

You most likely have ACRB. With that its good to use a defatting step, but not necessary.

Try your product out. If you don't smell naptha and it doesn't flame, then it shouldnt contain any. Your goo is just plant oils and plant matter most likely.

My method involves just evapping my pulls and using the goo. I use ACRB.


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: johnny six-guns]
    #22121742 - 08/21/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I always let the naphtha settle in my original collection vessel for a couple of hours, then decant into a clean one (you will notice some yellow goo settling at the bottom of the first - this is plant flat i assume....) then repeat decanting into clean collection dishes until there is no yellow goo being left behind.

At this point I put the clean DMT filled naptha into the freezer over night. Results in clean white crystals.


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Re: Deemster problems (help guys!!) [Re: tk.step14]
    #22122777 - 08/21/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you place it in such an angle that you create an environment where it does not evaporate correctly, the liquid will still be floating among the xtals and its just a matter of time before it starts to breakup the xtals and you are left with a goo.
Place the jar/glass on its side and place something at the bottom of it to tilt it slightly, then place a fan towards it. That should solve your issues.


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