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zappaisgod said: Bowie made some of my favorite albums. Diamaond Dogs and Heroes being top of the heap. Especially Dogs. Not a stinker in the lot
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zappaisgod said: Then there is Rebel Rebel.
Agreed, Bowie is one of my absolute favorite songwriters, I have nothing but respect and reverence for him and just about everything he ever did.
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Re: Shittiest Rock band [Re: Sun King]
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Sun King said: Pete Townshend kicked Abbie Hoffman off the stage and hit him with his guitar at Woodstock. You should hate him more than Kieth Richards or at least equally.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8BYgzIEHIY
Here's a vid of the Woodstock/who incident...
Both the who and the stones wanted nothing to do with anti-war, youth culture or the 60s revolution, when abbie Hoffman asked Keith for support Keith basically told him to fuck off, and there was another incident between some yippies and the stones...
this is what I mean when I say they didn't care about anything relevant of the time, they just wanted to wear make-up, dance on stage and play their simple tunes, which some say "what's wrong with that?" And I guess nothing is, but it completely made me dislike these bands as humans and musicians..
...all the English rockers like the stones and the who looked like hip hang-loose radical types, but we're in reality a bunch of up-tight stuffy conservitive limeys, britts in hip rocker costumes, in my eyes one word can describe them, FAKE...well I can think of a few more, but I was already accused of trolling for posting my honest opinion, so out of better judgement I'm going to hold back and be as polite as possible.
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...the Beatles being the exception to my statement about the limey bands of that era, I can really dig what the Beatles did with what that time offered them, brilliant musicians and artists, though I never liked them much until after they had been introduced to LSD and marijuana...
I love the dead because not only was their extended improvised jam style full of freedom and a unique sound, a bizzare blend of jug-band-psychedelic-jazz-jam-rock, but they had close ties to owsley "bear" Stanley, an infamous LSD chemist, he designed the "wall of sound" speaker system and cooked up a good deal of the LSD of the time, Stanley's brand of LSD was known as "white lightening", though Stanley also had close connections to Nick Sand and Tim scully, the LSD chemists responsible "Orange sunshine" brand LSD...not only that, but the dead had close ties to Ken kesey and the merry pranksters as well as Neal Cassady...this band was connected to some of the most inspired LSD chemists and freethinking icons of the time, they WERE the time they came from as humans, though their music was timeless to the point where it will be enjoyed well into the future...
The doors are my other ultimate favorite band of that time, mostly because of Jim Morrison, who I think was an amazing poet and intellectual who some what stumbled into rock music. When at UCLA film school he made one film, which I thought was great, but the class gave it a horrible review and the teacher gave him a D-, so he quit. Jim's art was REAL art,and often did not go over with the mainstream, his poetry books, which were amazing, got horrible reviews. Jim was a shamanicly influenced psychedelic poet, an intellectual and an artist. When the stones went on ed Sullivan they changed their song, the fact that Jim refused to do so gives me that much more respect for the integrity of his art..( I also think it was bizzare that Jim came from nowhere, had no musical education or prior experience, had a career from 1967-1971 then mysteriously died...he had connections to laurel canyon, which had a secret military film studio near it, he changed his appearance quickly and drastically, he had a high IQ, and a father who was high in the military (George Stephen Morrison (January 7, 1919 – November 17, 2008) was a United States Navy rear admiral (upper half) and naval aviator. Morrison was commander of the U.S. naval forces in the Gulf of Tonkin during the Gulf of Tonkin Incident of August 1964, which sparked an escalation of American involvement in the Vietnam War-Wikipedia), there are theories that Jim may have been an MKULTRA opperitive, which are not credible and murky at best, but I can say he fits the profile perfectly for what the CIA would have been looking for in an MKULTRA operative...Ok, aside from all that mess and back to the music, I think it was amazing, it has this gloomy, strange, bizzare and insane feel to it, unique from the other bands of the time, it was psychedelic music, but it incorporated sounds that reminded me of the trips where reality is being torn apart and there's nothing you can do to stop it, panic, instability, being insane and overwhelmed, I think the song "not to touch the earth" is the most obvious example of what I'm talking about...Plus Ray Manzarek was an amazing musician, trained in classical piano and jazz, brilliant musician, though I see Jim as the real artist...possesed by the souls of dead Indians since childhood, the metaphor of a "shamanic rocker" is Morrison...(most their pop songs were written by Robby, like "light my fire" and "touch me", "the soft parade" is in my opinion their worst album, it was written mostly by Robby and not Jim.
Can you see how musically and historically a person like myself would highly value the doors and the dead, but have pure disdain for bands like the who and the stones? (And I did not even get in to politics in this post, I mentioned abbie Hoffman and the incidents involving him with both bands, but that's just scratching the surface, I have many other political reasons to not like these guys:
Again musical taste is personal preference, and it's fine to not agree, but I honestly hate the rolling stones, the who, and to a lesser extant led zepplin, and all those other "spinal tap" resembling pseudo-hip mega pop-rock bands of that time...
Again, I know I should keep my mouth shut here as well, but I HATE David bowie as well...but I'll reserve my criticisms here in an effort to not have to defend my views against the backlash they will cause amoung angry bowie fans...
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Jim Morrison, though a great singer, was one of the biggest assholes of his time and his lyrics were largely pompous crap. The rest of the band doesn't get the credit they deserve. The Stones, The Dead and The Who were essentially apolitical and didn't want to get dragged into that morass. Abbie Hoffman was a moron. John Lennon was a hypocritical jackass. Imagine no posessions? He was living in one of the most expensive buildings in Manhattan when he wrote that. I don't know which asshole in CSN wrote love the one your with but it is a song about being unfaithful on the road.
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The real sad thing is that Green Day is in the rock & roll hall of fame. That is inexcusable, and a disgraceful affront to all the bands that deserve that nod.
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Re: Shittiest Rock band [Re: Dark_Star]
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You got that right. They really are shit
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: Can you see how musically and historically a person like myself would highly value the doors and the dead, but have pure disdain for bands like the who and the stones? (And I did not even get in to politics in this post, I mentioned abbie Hoffman and the incidents involving him with both bands, but that's just scratching the surface, I have many other political reasons to not like these guys:
No, I don't choose music based on the political views of the musicians. The Stones and the Who were English. I don't know why you would expect them to be all wrapped up in American politics.
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zappaisgod said: Jim Morrison, though a great singer, was one of the biggest assholes of his time and his lyrics were largely pompous crap. The rest of the band doesn't get the credit they deserve.
Morrison was an over-rated drunk.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: ...all the English rockers like the stones and the who looked like hip hang-loose radical types, but we're in reality a bunch of up-tight stuffy conservitive limeys, britts in hip rocker costumes, in my eyes one word can describe them, FAKE...well I can think of a few more, but I was already accused of trolling for posting my honest opinion, so out of better judgement I'm going to hold back and be as polite as possible.
I don't think you know much about them. I think you just have some kind of sixties radical mold you expect everyone to fit into and if they don't you HATE them.
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Re: Shittiest Rock band [Re: Sun King]
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The odds that he was even alive then are pretty slim.
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He never saw Jerry. I think he should be hated for that.
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Re: Shittiest Rock band [Re: Sun King]
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: Can you see how musically and historically a person like myself would highly value the doors and the dead, but have pure disdain for bands like the who and the stones? (And I did not even get in to politics in this post, I mentioned abbie Hoffman and the incidents involving him with both bands, but that's just scratching the surface, I have many other political reasons to not like these guys:
No, I don't choose music based on the political views of the musicians. The Stones and the Who were English. I don't know why you would expect them to be all wrapped up in American politics.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: Can you see how musically and historically a person like myself would highly value the doors and the dead, but have pure disdain for bands like the who and the stones? (And I did not even get in to politics in this post, I mentioned abbie Hoffman and the incidents involving him with both bands, but that's just scratching the surface, I have many other political reasons to not like these guys:
No, I don't choose music based on the political views of the musicians. The Stones and the Who were English. I don't know why you would expect them to be all wrapped up in American politics.
...if I hate a person as a human for their selfish and despicable choices, why would I like their music? Which in the case of the stones and the who was garbage regardless, 3 chord 3 minute tunes with out any lyrical significance to the world around them...
when I found the dead, it had more to do with their connections to Ken kesey, owsley Stanley, Nick Sand, Neal cassady, and so on, little to do with their politics, it's because they were REAL, they were not trying to conform to an image or set sound, they were actual artists...
I don't expect them to get involved in American politics, but It was not American politics, it was world politics, the student revolutions of the early 60s were global, Viet nam effected more than the U.S and asia, civil rights was global...and all the stones and the who cared about was cocaine, stuffing their crotches, wearing make-up and dancing about on stage...
The point was all these guys cared about was themselves, the did not care about anything relevant of the time in any way, and their music was garbage to begin with...it was pop rock, the Britney spears of that time...even if their music was any good because they are such dousche-bags I could not support it...if Keith Richards was a convicted child molester you probably wouldn't want to support them right? These people are scum just the same, so I don't support them...
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Re: Shittiest Rock band [Re: Sun King]
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I don't understand why people get personally offended when you say bands that they like suck, it was never an attack on them, it was my personal opinion about the band.
If you don't choose bands by their politics it means that if Keith Richards was a Nazi you would still dig them...
Music is the most exploited form of art, it's actually not even art any more, it's background for a cookie-cutter image, and people confuse their personal identity with the music they like, so when I say "the stones suck" you get upset because you think these bands create an image of who you as a person are, so when people say "the stones suck" you hear "you suck"
A true individual doesn't think that the art of others somehow creates an image of themselves...
I don't give a fuck about a 60s radical image as you claim, I do however appreciate the art of those who were able to look at the world, interpret it for themselves, and act based on their personal interpretations, and not based on the expectations of the culture that surrounds them, I appreciate the work of true individuals, freethinkers, and freaks ...I think the fact that I like music from that era but can still go against what the majority of people think about the music from that times proves that rather than conform to a set of standards or a set image, I was able to sit down, listen to these bands, and decide on my own what I think about them, regardless of what anybody says ...and when I see artists who are true individuals, real freaks, I can often dig what they are doing...When I see selfish, greedy , FAKE, excuses for some form of rebellion I can call them like I see them, a bunch of up-tight stuffy conservatives in costumes, selling an image to anyone who will buy it, pseudo-rebellious pseudo-art preformed by conservative dousche-bags in costumes...
There's no way you can change a person's personal preference, so in the mean, try to take it easy when others don't agree with you, it's not an attack on you in any way.
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Re: Shittiest Rock band [Re: Atreyu]
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: I don't understand why people get personally offended when you say bands that they like suck, it was never an attack on them, it was my personal opinion about the band.
If you don't choose bands by their politics it means that if Keith Richards was a Nazi you would still dig them...
Music is the most exploited form of art, it's actually not even art any more, it's background for a cookie-cutter image, and people confuse their personal identity with the music they like, so when I say "the stones suck" you get upset because you think these bands create an image of who you as a person are, so when people say "the stones suck" you hear "you suck"
A true individual doesn't think that the art of others somehow creates an image of themselves...
I don't give a fuck about a 60s radical image as you claim, I do however appreciate the art of those who were able to look at the world, interpret it for themselves, and act based on their personal interpretations, and not based on the expectations of the culture that surrounds them, I appreciate the work of true individuals, freethinkers, and freaks ...I think the fact that I like music from that era but can still go against what the majority of people think about the music from that times proves that rather than conform to a set of standards or a set image, I was able to sit down, listen to these bands, and decide on my own what I think about them, regardless of what anybody says ...and when I see artists who are true individuals, real freaks, I can often dig what they are doing...When I see selfish, greedy , FAKE, excuses for some form of rebellion I can call them like I see them, a bunch of up-tight stuffy conservatives in costumes, selling an image to anyone who will buy it, pseudo-rebellious pseudo-art preformed by conservative dousche-bags in costumes...
There's no way you can change a person's personal preference, so in the mean, try to take it easy when others don't agree with you, it's not an attack on you in any way.
-E. Borodin
I have no interest in changing your opinion nor am offended by it. I just think your reasoning is stupid.
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Re: Shittiest Rock band [Re: drr]
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I first saw the grateful dead in 1984 and the whole second set was space and other weird shit. I was like WTF? this shit sucks. I like the 1972 stuff and that's about it.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: I don't understand why people get personally offended when you say bands that they like suck, it was never an attack on them, it was my personal opinion about the band.
If you don't choose bands by their politics it means that if Keith Richards was a Nazi you would still dig them...
Music is the most exploited form of art, it's actually not even art any more, it's background for a cookie-cutter image, and people confuse their personal identity with the music they like, so when I say "the stones suck" you get upset because you think these bands create an image of who you as a person are, so when people say "the stones suck" you hear "you suck"
A true individual doesn't think that the art of others somehow creates an image of themselves...
I don't give a fuck about a 60s radical image as you claim, I do however appreciate the art of those who were able to look at the world, interpret it for themselves, and act based on their personal interpretations, and not based on the expectations of the culture that surrounds them, I appreciate the work of true individuals, freethinkers, and freaks ...I think the fact that I like music from that era but can still go against what the majority of people think about the music from that times proves that rather than conform to a set of standards or a set image, I was able to sit down, listen to these bands, and decide on my own what I think about them, regardless of what anybody says ...and when I see artists who are true individuals, real freaks, I can often dig what they are doing...When I see selfish, greedy , FAKE, excuses for some form of rebellion I can call them like I see them, a bunch of up-tight stuffy conservatives in costumes, selling an image to anyone who will buy it, pseudo-rebellious pseudo-art preformed by conservative dousche-bags in costumes...
There's no way you can change a person's personal preference, so in the mean, try to take it easy when others don't agree with you, it's not an attack on you in any way.
-E. Borodin
What a bunch of bullshit. Almost every single musician is a politically ignorant, uninformed jerkoff pandering to their audience for money. Like Jon Stewart. Shut up and sing. The Stones and the Who wisely eschewed much political expression because it would effect their bottom line. Remember what happened with the Dixie Chicks? And Abbie Hoffman was a moron who had no business being on the stage. Aside from that I suspect your political views are incredibly vapid. If you aren't a conservative yoyu are uptight? Fuck off with your bigotry.
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