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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22117234 - 08/20/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Actually I'm just posting this because I like what he said, not really to get anyone's approval about whether they like him or not. No, I did not just learn about him but even if I did I fail to see your point..
I don't think he thinks he was perfect either. I'll try not to take machine elves seriously :thumbup: thanks for the advice.


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 1
    #22117240 - 08/20/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I love listening to Terence Mckenna. He was endlessly entertaining and he had a whack-load of funny ideas, some of which may have even landed somewhere near the general ballpark of truth, but a lot of what he said was pretty ridiculous. I admire him for saying it and saying it so well, but I can't help but wince at his frequent, rather lazy and unfair attacks against 'science' and logic in general.


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22117259 - 08/20/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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SirShroomsAlott said:
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The ones that dismiss McKenna as a whack job, haven't read 1/10 of the books hes read. Tripped 1/10 as much as he has. Travelled 1/10 as much as he has. Accomplished 1/10 as much as he has. Helped/appreciated nature 1/10 as much as he has.

People who do not like McKenna are either jealous, ignorant, or jealous and ignorant.




The same could be said about Bill Nye :whatyougonnado:





No...because McKenna isn't a fucking prick like Nye. Nye is just a shitty human being, regardless of his intelligence.

Even if McKenna is a whack job, he was still a good human being for the most part.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22117262 - 08/20/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that McKenna was a very wise and insightful man whose message is as valuable today as it could have been if he preached during the 60s instead of the 90s and early 2000s. He indeed was an amazing man and I find his wisdom to be one of the most valuable things humanity needs right now.

However he wasn't Jesus (not saying Jesus is real but I'm saying that people shouldn't view mckenna the same way Christians view Jesus as this perfect being) he was just a man who was open minded enough and egoless enough to understand, harness, and apply these concepts and ideas that psychedelics bring up much better then the average tripper making him obtain a wiser and more psychedelic view of the world that many of us deny or reject.

Not everyone who takes psychedelics is like McKenna or like us who believe that psychedelics have something spiritual to them. There are plenty of trippers who disregard it all and just say "it's just a drug and all this spirituality/shamanic shit is all hippie garbage".


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Ezuma]
    #22117266 - 08/20/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ezuma said:
I love listening to Terence Mckenna. He was endlessly entertaining and he had a whack-load of funny ideas, some of which may have even landed somewhere near the general ballpark of truth, but a lot of what he said was pretty ridiculous. I admire him for saying it and saying it so well, but I can't help but wince at his frequent, rather lazy and unfair attacks against 'science' and logic in general.





How can you say McKenna's hate for science is lazy when we have people like Bill Nye proving McKenna right?

the sad fact is, if you dedicate your life to science, you turn into an egotistical prick. (see bill nye and dawkins)


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22117273 - 08/20/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm jus fucking with you bro, I like McKenna and think he gives some great advice.


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22117280 - 08/20/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Xplicit RelapzZ said:
he wasn't Jesus (not saying Jesus is real but I'm saying that people shouldn't view mckenna the same way Christians view Jesus.



Thank you more for your precious advice. I'll make sure to not dedicate every sunday to Terence.


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22117294 - 08/20/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Xplicit RelapzZ said:
he wasn't Jesus (not saying Jesus is real but I'm saying that people shouldn't view mckenna the same way Christians view Jesus.



Thank you more for your precious advice. I'll make sure to not dedicate every sunday to Terence.






:lolsy:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22117302 - 08/20/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"Rational Scientific American readers surely scoff at claims—based on ancient Mayan calendars and other esoterica—that life as we know it will end this December, especially now that NASA experts have "crushed" the prophecy. But many folks out there are reportedly worried. Perhaps I can allay their anxieties by relating my encounter with a prominent popularizer of the 2012-doomsday meme, psychedelic guru Terence McKenna."

Was Psychedelic Guru Terence McKenna Goofing About 2012 Prophecy? ~ Scientific American





McKenna seemed to me,
wrapped up in his own mythology.

That whole 2012 thing was ... ?


And, his books are not really that good. To me!
Food of the Gods, to be exact, I re-read a month ago and found it just
threadbare and more poetic than reasonable or even comprehensible. Then
again, I'm not 20 anymore and not in need of a father figure to comfort me.


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22117307 - 08/20/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

why you mad tho?


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22117312 - 08/20/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How can you say McKenna's hate for science is lazy when we have people like Bill Nye proving McKenna right?

the sad fact is, if you dedicate your life to science, you turn into an egotistical prick. (see bill nye and dawkins)




Dawkins and Bill Nye are dicks, I don't see how that discredits all of science. I think Terence was an exceptionally smart and well read guy, who was right on the money about a few things. His criticism of science though is at times too broad and too general. I agree with some of the points he makes, about problems with modern ideologies and the arrogance of rationalists, but all of his most unusual and outlandish claims have either A. failed to hold true B. were impossible to verify or disprove. I think that the proper approach to science is not an arrogant one, its simply a matter of trusting to reason rather than emotion and belief, at the best of times anyway.
I'd actually argue that the problem with people like Nye and Dawkins isn't their scientific upbringing, but in their emotional attachment to their personal vision of how the world works, and their own egos.

Really though my problems with Mckenna are mostly to do with Novelty theory and his too-firm faith in psychedelics. I think his overall message was inspired and valuable, though, if you consider those caveats first.


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Ezuma]
    #22117320 - 08/20/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I love listening to Terence Mckenna. He was endlessly entertaining and he had a whack-load of funny ideas, some of which may have even landed somewhere near the general ballpark of truth, but a lot of what he said was pretty ridiculous. I admire him for saying it and saying it so well, but I can't help but wince at his frequent, rather lazy and unfair attacks against 'science' and logic in general.





That's pretty much how I feel, but more eloquently expressed.


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22117325 - 08/20/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why r u rapping bro? You and OP are weird. Posting weird shit, makes me think you are a puppet


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22117333 - 08/20/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the fact that you concern yourself with my weird shit makes you the puppet's puppet


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
    #22117354 - 08/20/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

TM was a wackadoo. and so were 99% of his theories

he thought humans evolved only because of mushrooms and that the world would end in 2012

self transforming multidimensional machine elves? gimmie a fucking break :facepalm: he took psychedelics way too seriously


when i first got into psychedelics i thought some of his lectures were entertaining, simply because psychedelics were all he ever really talked about and they interested me so much at the time


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Ezuma]
    #22117369 - 08/20/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree about the novelty theory being something that discredits McKenna..but his obsession and pedestal he puts psychedelics on, I am totally in agreement with. That's actually the MAIN reason why I love McKenna so much, because he is about the only person I have come across that I KNOW loves psychedelics as much as myself. That's what keeps me listening to him.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Adolin] * 1
    #22117392 - 08/20/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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TM was a wackadoo. and so were 99% of his theories

he thought humans evolved only because of mushrooms and that the world would end in 2012

self transforming multidimensional machine elves? gimmie a fucking break :facepalm: he took psychedelics way too seriously


when i first got into psychedelics i thought some of his lectures were entertaining, simply because psychedelics were all he ever really talked about and they interested me so much at the time




People here eat up everything TM says hook line and fucking sinker.

The dude should have run his own cult, his beliefs and teachings were so retarded and his minions believed all of it and took it as the truth. He glorified psychedelic use in the way a heroin addict glorifies shooting a bag of dope.

His schizophrenic rambles, his stoned ape theory  :lol:, basically everything he said was completely unfounded. He really should have started his own religion and made his own scriptures and started an official cult. He is so off base with everything he says and I call bullshit to everything he says.

Terrence Mckenna is a quack piece of shit and is giving people the wrong idea about psychedelics. Psychedelics are a drug and give you interesting thoughts and you perceive cool things but to take them that seriously and think everything you are perceiving is real is such a crock of shit way to go about things.

I call other cultures out that take psychedelics too seriously as well. Everything the shamans believe about psychedelics is a complete bullshit too. When you start making tripping a religion it isn't even fun anymore and you are taking it way too seriously.

People like him put psychedelics on this pedestal and it is completely unnecessary. There are plenty of other drugs that give you cool experiences too, just stop putting psychedelics on this pedestal. They are drugs people, using drugs too much is inherently bad I don't care if you feel you are benefiting from them but seriously you can become more enlightened by falling in love and having kids and travelling. Psychedelics are cool but seriously stop getting so obsessed with them and take them for what they are, just another drug experience that give you a different perspective. I can get a different perspective on life by taking a biology class. Big fucking whoop.


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22117398 - 08/20/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Gresh said:
TM was a wackadoo. and so were 99% of his theories

he thought humans evolved only because of mushrooms and that the world would end in 2012

self transforming multidimensional machine elves? gimmie a fucking break :facepalm: he took psychedelics way too seriously


when i first got into psychedelics i thought some of his lectures were entertaining, simply because psychedelics were all he ever really talked about and they interested me so much at the time




People here eat up everything TM says hook line and fucking sinker.

The dude should have run his own cult, his beliefs and teachings were so retarded and his minions believed all of it and took it as the truth. He glorified psychedelic use in the way a heroin addict glorifies shooting a bag of dope.

His schizophrenic rambles, his stoned ape theory  :lol:, basically everything he said was completely unfounded. He really should have started his own religion and made his own scriptures and started an official cult. He is so off base with everything he says and I call bullshit to everything he says.

Terrence Mckenna is a quack piece of shit and is giving people the wrong idea about psychedelics. Psychedelics are a drug and give you interesting thoughts and you perceive cool things but to take them that seriously and think everything you are perceiving is real is such a crock of shit way to go about things.

I call other cultures out that take psychedelics too seriously as well. Everything the shamans believe about psychedelics is a complete bullshit too. When you start making tripping a religion it isn't even fun anymore and you are taking it way too seriously.

People like him put psychedelics on this pedestal and it is completely unnecessary. There are plenty of other drugs that give you cool experiences too, just stop putting psychedelics on this pedestal. They are drugs people, using drugs too much is inherently bad I don't care if you feel you are benefiting from them but seriously you can become more enlightened by falling in love and having kids and travelling. Psychedelics are cool but seriously stop getting so obsessed with them and take them for what they are, just another drug experience that give you a different perspective. I can get a different perspective on life by taking a biology class. Big fucking whoop.




But....that's just..like....your opinion man :llamastare:


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #22117408 - 08/20/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The ideas you hear from people tripping, when they are articulated in writing are about as accurate as the ramblings as a psychotic schizophrenic hobo you hear rambling on the street.

I take these ideas for what they are, they are usually delusional thoughts that seem real and significant in the midst of a psychedelic experience.


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Re: Terence McKenna everyone [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22117410 - 08/20/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I love listening to Terence Mckenna. He was endlessly entertaining and he had a whack-load of funny ideas, some of which may have even landed somewhere near the general ballpark of truth, but a lot of what he said was pretty ridiculous. I admire him for saying it and saying it so well, but I can't help but wince at his frequent, rather lazy and unfair attacks against 'science' and logic in general.




I agree with most of what you said, except for the end. He wasn't attacking science, he was voicing his opinion that science in general is focusing on the wrong things. I honestly believe his opinion would be vastly different now. Though not completely unskeptical, and it was his skepticism of reality that made him so wildly entertaining.


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