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champinhom
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reishi mycelium or conks more beneficial?
#22114641 - 08/19/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have searched with no satisfaction.
I am going to buy some Reishi capsules. One brand says it is based in a Reishi extract. There is some mention of fruiting body composing a certain percentage of its product. The other company says its product is mycelium.
Now, is the conk more powerfully medicinal thant the mycelium?
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champinhom
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Re: reishi mycelium or conks more beneficial? [Re: champinhom]
#22116372 - 08/20/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, it astonished me that I couldn't get any info on this subject at the Shroomery so I went back to searching Google. What I found is from a source I don't particularly like or trust--namely David Wolfe's colleague (in crime) Ron Teaguarden. It seems that there is some kind of benefit to using mycelium--and there are a lot of products that exclusively feature it--but the fruiting body (conk) is most powerfully endowed with medicinal or healing virtue. Teaguarden says that only reishis grown on certain species of trees are really effective. I am sure, however, he has a stake in a company that makes this specially raised reishi into a product that is both super potent and super-duper expensive, so how far I can trust his information is in question.
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OysterKing
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Re: reishi mycelium or conks more beneficial? [Re: champinhom]
#22116427 - 08/20/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Structures and Antitumor Activities of the Polysaccharides Isolated from Fruiting Body and the Growing Culture of Mycelium of Ganoderma lucidum Yoshiaki Sonea, Reiko Okudaa, Noriko Wadaa, Etsu Kishidaa & Akira Misakia
Department of Food and Nutrition, Faculty of Science of Living, Osaka City University, Sugimoto-cho, Sumiyoshi-ku, Osaka 558, Japan Published online: 09 Sep 2014.
I found the above named paper online. I'm still trying to decifer it, as I don't understand the differences between different glucans yet(to name just one concept they use that I need to study up on. I wish I went to Uni..)
But this paper seems to suggest there is a difference in the type of glucans extracted from either fruitbodies or mycelium.
Please dont quote me, this is only my first comment after a cursory read-through of the paper. And I am really not qualified to give a breakdown of a scientific paper anyways.
Maybe someone from the Shroomery more qualified has an opinion or correction? I have been wondering about this very same question.
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champinhom
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Re: reishi mycelium or conks more beneficial? [Re: OysterKing]
#22121796 - 08/21/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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OysterKing said: I found the above named paper online. I'm still trying to decifer it, as I don't understand the differences between different glucans yet(to name just one concept they use that I need to study up on. I wish I went to Uni..)
But this paper seems to suggest there is a difference in the type of glucans extracted from either fruitbodies or mycelium.
Please dont quote me, this is only my first comment after a cursory read-through of the paper. And I am really not qualified to give a breakdown of a scientific paper anyways.
Maybe someone from the Shroomery more qualified has an opinion or correction? I have been wondering about this very same question.
You are braver than I am to read that stuff. I am looking for some kind of simple laymanworthy statement clarifying this issue. As of now the only thing I've found is from a questionable source.
It is pretty certain that there is some benefit to be had from reishi mycelium ingestion--if not why would so many products clearly state on their labels that mycelium is what they've got?
I think I recall reading somewhere that Stamet's reishi product --or one of them-- is derived from mycelium.
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champinhom
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Re: reishi mycelium or conks more beneficial? [Re: champinhom]
#22121829 - 08/21/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just went to Stamet's site--Fungi Perfecti--and yes, his reishi capsules are mycelium based. To quote from the site: Reishi (Ganoderma lucidum s.l.) grows throughout the world, found primarily on hardwood trees. This species, used for more than two millennia in Asia, has been respectfully called the "Mushroom of Immortality." This mushroom is well known as a tonic for supporting general wellness and vitality.* Each capsule contains 500mg of freeze-dried Reishi mycelium.
So, obviously it can be inferred that mycelium has a punch to pack. But how does it stack up compared t4o the conk material? That is the burning question that I am putting to the Shroomery--so far in vain.
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OysterKing
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Re: reishi mycelium or conks more beneficial? [Re: champinhom]
#22122924 - 08/21/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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To quote the paper I mentioned earlier:
"It is apparent that the hot-water extracted glucan (HW-II) from the fruiting body and the extracellular glucan from the growing culture, both of which have similar, moderately branched structures, showed high antitumor activities (inhibition ratio, 96% and 91 %, respectively, at a dosage of 10mg/kg)."
So fruitbodies gave an extraction that was 5% more effective than the mycelial extract in dealing with Sarcoma tumours.
But:
Table IV on page 2649 shows the anti-tumour activities of the various polysaccharides extracted from Reishi fruitbodies and Mycelium, as well as comparative results of extracts from other fungi.
It shows there that the CA-II mycelial extract outperforms the Fruitbody extract.
I hope I may show a screenshot I made of table IV:

Whilst the other extracts performed poorly individually when compared to the HW-II extracts, I would wager a guess that their combined effect is what makes Reishi extracts - from cake or fruit - so 'wunderbaar'.
In the same sense, considering the results of table IV, perhaps a mix of fruitbodies and mycelial extracts would be most effective.
Now that sort of deals with the Polysaccharides. I wonder if someone has done an analysis of the Triterpenes and Ganoderic acids etc?
I'd like to lay down a disclaimer that my comments in the above post are purely my own unprofessional opinion of a science paper I'm bravely;) reading, and should be ridiculed and lambasted if its wrong.
Edited by OysterKing (08/21/15 03:12 PM)
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Re: reishi mycelium or conks more beneficial? [Re: OysterKing]
#22128507 - 08/22/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it simply comes down to mycelium is easiest and cheapest to produce on a large scale. That is why the mycelium is so widely used in capsule form. There was a study and I am not sure if I still have it or if I can find it because the site I was pirating all my studies from got shut down. But I believe it looked at the various concentrations of total medicinals in the mycelium, antlers and mature conks.
The mycelium contained the lowest amount, followed by the antlers, then the conks. It also determined that the best time to harvest is just prior to spore dispersal, which makes sense because other studies have shown the spores to be even more potent than the fruitbody itself.
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Re: reishi mycelium or conks more beneficial? [Re: Mrcloudy]
#22128571 - 08/22/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mrcloudy said: I think it simply comes down to mycelium is easiest and cheapest to produce on a large scale. That is why the mycelium is so widely used in capsule form. There was a study and I am not sure if I still have it or if I can find it because the site I was pirating all my studies from got shut down. But I believe it looked at the various concentrations of total medicinals in the mycelium, antlers and mature conks.
The mycelium contained the lowest amount, followed by the antlers, then the conks. It also determined that the best time to harvest is just prior to spore dispersal, which makes sense because other studies have shown the spores to be even more potent than the fruitbody itself.
exactly. It comes down to the fact that using mycelium is more efficient. but most suppliers grow invitro which also produces some fruit bodies and spores/etc. From what I have read I agree. The mycelium apparently has around 5-10% less on average medicinal compounds by weight. when you factor in how easy it is to produce, mycelium is a no brainer. If it wasn't then these big companies with large resources would not be using them.
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champinhom
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Re: reishi mycelium or conks more beneficial? [Re: Mrcloudy]
#22128968 - 08/22/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mrcloudy said:
The mycelium contained the lowest amount, followed by the antlers, then the conks. It also determined that the best time to harvest is just prior to spore dispersal, which makes sense because other studies have shown the spores to be even more potent than the fruitbody itself.
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