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Re: Soul Shock [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22115809 - 08/20/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've read your other post about what's happened with this woman.
I'm usually very good at finding solutions for these kind of situations (couples having problems or generally relationship problems). However, I must admit that your case is very complicated.

If you truly have so strong feelings for this person than I suggest you don't give up. Use these feelings of frustration/despair as the drive for becoming a better version of yourself, sort out you well-being, find your balance and in a few months time try to get in contact with her again.

And, for fuck's sake, forget that marriage talk, that's what probably freaked her out.


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: trunksan]
    #22115972 - 08/20/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If you truly have so strong feelings for this person than I suggest you don't give up. Use these feelings of frustration/despair as the drive for becoming a better version of yourself, sort out you well-being, find your balance and in a few months time try to get in contact with her again.





That is what I am attempting. Good advice. :thumbup:


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22115992 - 08/20/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I see where I was being confusing by talking in opposites, comparing an ordinary relationship with an extraordinary relationship.

Most articles say the Twin Flame thing rarely works out. However, the more I read, the more it seems people are just making it all up. Maybe Twin Flames are just a collection of post hoc New Age labels for a temporary mental illness like mine or a very deep emotional connection like yours. :shrug:


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22116156 - 08/20/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good 'ol OC, cynical to the end! I'm really glad to hear your opinion it man, thank you. I can totally buy the fact that it *could* be some kind of temporary mental illness - it reminds me of an episode of Red Dwarf (Holoship) where they suggested that love was just that and that, and in the future, human kind had recognised it as such and moved past it. They also imposed twice daily sex for health and considered it 'the height of bad manners to refuse an offer of sex'. Sounds like a nice idea of the future.

I also get the New Age label thing - in my brief forays into that world I've generally found myself thinking what a load of crap it all seemed like to me. But then the concept in and of itself is pretty old right? I mean 'True Love' sounds to me just like what the New Agers are calling 'Twin Flame'.

I dunno man, I remember all of the synchronicity, telepathy and feeling of 'rightness' that seemed to occur before and during the early years with my wife (along with all the other more easily explained chemical bliss). I'm cynical, but I can't deny what I know I have experienced. Unless of course, I was actually mentally ill at the time!!

Either way, as said by trunksan, I know that I'm a much better version of myself for having had the experience, whether it lasts or not, and whether I find it again or not.


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22116269 - 08/20/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thinking more about the phenomena you experienced OC I was reminded of a incident in my early childhood. I became completely infatuated with a girl at the school who was a complete stranger to me forsaking my friends even offering my lunch and accompanied by a overwhelming desire just to be around her. Completely out of character for me at six or seven years of age where you barely even acknowledge girls existence.

Poor girl I think was confused as my brothers who wondered what was wrong with me. Anyway this complete and overwhelming infatuation I think only lasted a day or couple and obviously didn't involve any sexual influences.

Reinforces my belief these experiences are neurotic escapades with biological underpinnings. A glitch in the machinery :blush:


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22116829 - 08/20/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Either way, as said by trunksan, I know that I'm a much better version of myself for having had the experience, whether it lasts or not, and whether I find it again or not.




As of today, if I could go back in time and erase the whole thing including our meeting, I would do it. Don't think I buy the "It's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all," cliché.


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: Jaegar] * 1
    #22116845 - 08/20/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Reinforces my belief these experiences are neurotic escapades with biological underpinnings. A glitch in the machinery :blush:




That may be the simplest answer. Was not a standard infatuation though. Here is something none of you are likely to believe, yet I have no reason to lie about it.

In the entire 6 weeks since I met her, I have never once had a sexual fantasy about her, even though her body was a solid 9. Some of you guys may make age jokes here, but I fantasize about women I meet all the time, and yes, my equipment works just fine.

So, definitely not lust.


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22119318 - 08/20/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if she isnt attracted to you or doesn't like you, the best thing for you to do is get over it.  period.  end of story.


the sooner you do the better off you are going to be.  it is out of your control so just accept it and let it go.


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: sprinkles]
    #22119350 - 08/20/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My rational mind agrees. My heart rails at letting go of the best dream I ever had, delusional or not.


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #22119380 - 08/20/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

u know what they say, if u love something let it go, and if it comes back kick their ass to the curve


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22119461 - 08/20/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

feelings lie.  your heart is a fucking liar just like mine


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: sprinkles]
    #22119530 - 08/20/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

For one month I was alive. Now I am going back to sleep, to sleep, to sleep...

:notgettingup:


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22119636 - 08/21/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
As of today, if I could go back in time and erase the whole thing including our meeting, I would do it. Don't think I buy the "It's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all," cliché.




Eh, too soon to tell.. you're still in withdrawal, maybe this experience will benefit you in some way you can't see yet.


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22124240 - 08/21/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just some ideas here..

Your experience with this woman made me digup this quote from Meher Baba. It seems to fit what is occurring with you here.

"The implications in assuming death to be the termination of individual existence run counter to the ineradicable expectations based upon rationalised intuition. A conflict usually arises between the claims of intuition and the conclusion of impure intellect, which assume death to be the termination of individual existence. Such conflict is often a beginning of pure thinking, which immediately seriously challenges the usually accepted belief that death is the real termination of individual existence. Death as an extinction of life can never be wholly acceptable to the spiritual aspirations of man. Therefore belief in the immortality of the individualized soul is often accepted by the human mind without much resistance, even in the absence of direct supersensible knowledge about the existence of life after death."


If reincarnation is indeed real than it stands to reason that we all know it is real but only subconsciously, we know it through our forgotten experience of it, through our intuition. However in our mind and in our conscious memories we have no knowledge of this, so a person could intellectually conclude that rebirth is impossible and think this in their minds but in the heart there is a sense or intuition of it.

You sense a connection with this woman, and yet you have no idea why. It doesn't even necessarily have to be sexual like you say because the attraction isn't about sex. You could know have known this person in a past life, she could have been anyone really, someone closely related to you. I had a very similar feeling when I first met my best friend when I was about 10 years old, I knew subconsciously he was going to be a great friend of mine, and we were and we are to this day, we are very similar souls or personalities. There was some sort of subconscious knowing there.

Also another interesting idea is what Meher says about sexual desire. That male and female incarnations serve different purposes and different lessons are learned according to the sex. Men excel and matters of the head and intellect whereas woman are capable of powerful feelings of love. We are trying to make up for a lost aspect of our psyche and it is a sort of effort to become whole again. You have been very overly intellectual and overlooking feelings and emotions so perhaps something is going on there as well.. and she is serving as a sort of mirror to this part of your psyche of which you have buried.. but then I would ask why this woman specifically?


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: soldatheero]
    #22125463 - 08/22/15 03:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I thought this experience might enlighten me. I had grand dreams of transformation.

I am packing on the pounds again, watching more TV and getting drunk. Now, I can make it through the day without tears - yay!

But I am totally dishonoring the amazing connection and lessons (possibly) learned. Fuck! Stuff is too complicated for this poor brain to comprehend.

Extreme pain and learning - or being stuck in Nowheresville and not hurting?



That is the question!


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22126101 - 08/22/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nowheresville won't stay pain-free forever.


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: Midnight_Toker]
    #22126132 - 08/22/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



I can dig that, hepcat.


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22126182 - 08/22/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:

I have a question now.

Given how you feel now, if you could choose to go back and never meet her, to never have the incredible experience you did, would you?  Or do you think the pleasure experienced then is worth the pain felt now?


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: Midnight_Toker]
    #22126284 - 08/22/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would go back and have it NOT happen. A few days of max happiness * 100; 6 weeks of max pain * 100.

My serotonin levels are now back to normal, so I have no more daily freak-outs - and I can no longer see her face in my memory no matter how hard I try. I think that is my psyche protecting me.


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Re: Soul Shock [Re: Midnight_Toker]
    #22126313 - 08/22/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What is the difference if it was a drug induced experience with lingering effects.

Excepting personal dramas.

If oc had such a provocative attraction and affect from a dream girl would it get this attention?


Edited by Jaegar (08/22/15 10:39 AM)


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