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I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. 3
#22112603 - 08/19/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey everyone after my last few trips I've learned so much about the actual world and the universe itself. I've been generally happier with the simple things in life but can't stand society. It is gross and unnatural I just can't be a part of it. I want to quit my job and focus on my creative work I want to just say fuck this and live in a country that want built by the slaughter of natural people and slavery. It pisses me off so much and the vicious cycle just continues. The oppression the sadness the overall lazy species that we have become due to western influence is just pissing me off. I work in service and can't stand to see obese people ordering extra white rice and pork with all their meals. What should I do? I can't conform anymore.
-------------------- Step 1: Stare at this for 30 seconds
Step 2: Look at this after following step one
Step 3: Enjoy the mini trip
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions] 10
#22112607 - 08/19/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're not enlightened, sorry to break it to you.
Learn acceptance, that's leaning more towards the side of enlightenment.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#22112703 - 08/19/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do something about it man. Go and protest and make your voice heard and just keep screaming fuck you to the Man and try and influence as many people to do the same and get them to abscond the system and you may have a shot at making your vision possible.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Janky Tits] 7
#22112713 - 08/19/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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People who trip and say they are enlightened are such psychedelic snobs and have the biggest egoes of them all. You don't know fuck all brotha you just got high and had crazy thoughts. Get over yourself.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22112723 - 08/19/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LiquidVisions said: Hey everyone after my last few trips I've learned so much about the actual world and the universe itself. I've been generally happier with the simple things in life but can't stand society. It is gross and unnatural I just can't be a part of it. I want to quit my job and focus on my creative work I want to just say fuck this and live in a country that want built by the slaughter of natural people and slavery. It pisses me off so much and the vicious cycle just continues. The oppression the sadness the overall lazy species that we have become due to western influence is just pissing me off. I work in service and can't stand to see obese people ordering extra white rice and pork with all their meals. What should I do? I can't conform anymore.
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LiquidVisions said: Hey everyone after my last few trips I've learned so much about the actual world and the universe itself. I've been generally happier with the simple things in life but can't stand society. It is gross and unnatural I just can't be a part of it. I want to quit my job and focus on my creative work I want to just say fuck this and live in a country that want built by the slaughter of natural people and slavery. It pisses me off so much and the vicious cycle just continues. The oppression the sadness the overall lazy species that we have become due to western influence is just pissing me off. I work in service and can't stand to see obese people ordering extra white rice and pork with all their meals. What should I do? I can't conform anymore.
-------------------- I'm stupid, Enlil is smart. I'm ugly, Enlil is beautiful. I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner. Someday, I hope to be like Enlil but secretly know I never will.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#22112726 - 08/19/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've met those types in real life, I purposely don't tell them I'm a tripper and try to make whatever they say about it sound dumb just to annoy the shit out of them
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112733 - 08/19/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: People who trip and say they are enlightened are such psychedelic snobs and have the biggest egoes of them all.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: SirShroomsAlott] 6
#22112735 - 08/19/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlightenment = egotiscal douche who took 2.5 grams of mushrooms and suddenly becomes a know it all about everything.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions] 3
#22112749 - 08/19/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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get used to it, man. no matter where u go you'll end up dealing with the same shit. which says happiness comes from within, not with-out.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 2
#22112751 - 08/19/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Enlightenment = egotiscal douche who took 2.5 grams of mushrooms and suddenly becomes a know it all about everything.
looks like ure pretty enlightened urself aswell
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz] 1
#22112759 - 08/19/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it looks like he has common sense to me
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22112765 - 08/19/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zZZz said:
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Bitter Cactus said: Enlightenment = egotiscal douche who took 2.5 grams of mushrooms and suddenly becomes a know it all about everything.
looks like ure pretty enlightened urself aswell
Psychedelics are mental masturbation that give you all the bullshit thoughts you want and you see them as the truth. You learn a thousand times more about the world through life experiences and talking to people from different cultures and trying different things. Psychedelics give you the illusion of knowledge when in reality you know fuck all and wasted all your time tripping instead of living.
You can learn about the world and universe and shit by just reading a book. Seriously.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112767 - 08/19/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What you feel isnt enlightenment. There is no suchthing. Sorry. You just felt compassion probably
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22112770 - 08/19/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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that dude injects meth for crying out loud
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22112776 - 08/19/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zZZz said: that dude injects meth for crying out loud
That was over a year ago. I turned my life around since then. It honestly was just a giant waste of my time.
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Edited by Bitter Cactus (08/19/15 04:11 PM)
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112791 - 08/19/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Enlightenment = egotiscal douche who took 2.5 grams of mushrooms and suddenly becomes a know it all about everything.
looks like ure pretty enlightened urself aswell
Psychedelics are mental masturbation that give you all the bullshit thoughts you want and you see them as the truth. You learn a thousand times more about the world through life experiences and talking to people from different cultures and trying different things. Psychedelics give you the illusion of knowledge when in reality you know fuck all and wasted all your time tripping instead of living.
You can learn about the world and universe and shit by just reading a book. Seriously.
psychedelics are life, it is pure experience, except it isnt as ever lasting as some real traumatic shit.
btw most all cultures sprouted from psychedelics, even books came from psychedelics, so ur argument is invalid.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions] 1
#22112797 - 08/19/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LiquidVisions said: Hey everyone after my last few trips I've learned so much about the actual world and the universe itself. I've been generally happier with the simple things in life but can't stand society. It is gross and unnatural I just can't be a part of it. I want to quit my job and focus on my creative work I want to just say fuck this and live in a country that want built by the slaughter of natural people and slavery. It pisses me off so much and the vicious cycle just continues. The oppression the sadness the overall lazy species that we have become due to western influence is just pissing me off. I work in service and can't stand to see obese people ordering extra white rice and pork with all their meals. What should I do? I can't conform anymore.
Don't worry after being depressed for a year or ten you'll start realizing you should suck it the fuck up.
Hey you're already working I don't think you have much issues lol
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz] 2
#22112811 - 08/19/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The shaman culture is filled with as much bullshit fuckery as any other religion. The culture is cool and all but their beliefs are bullshit. They were people too caught up in the psychedelics and took the experience way too literally and seriously.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112815 - 08/19/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Enlightenment = egotiscal douche who took 2.5 grams of mushrooms and suddenly becomes a know it all about everything.
I usually disagree with you but you are spot on.
And lol 2.5g is a baby dose
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112817 - 08/19/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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that's because the experience is serious.
it changes lives, it creates life.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 2
#22112821 - 08/19/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Enlightenment = egotiscal douche who took 2.5 grams of mushrooms and suddenly becomes a know it all about everything.
Bruh you just aren't enlightened yet. Clearly enlightened people are soooo much better than other "people". Someone who is enlightened no longer has any sort of personal issues they need to work on, so they HAVE to focus outside of themselves and their hatred for everyone and everything they deem inferior. Which is everything that isn't enlightened. Get over yourself bro, quit being so jealous of the illuminated ones.
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Really tho, enlightenment doesn't exist. Good luck finding a society that doesn't have a history with blood on their hands. The REALLY 'enlightened' person understands that people work together to survive. This leads to society. If you don't like how society is, you have a duty to help change it or shut up. "Oh, I'm so enlightened! I judge people who eat at the place I serve food! I wish I could control everyone and everything! I SHOULD BE GOD! WAH WAH WAH etc..."
It is a fact that our society is fucked up. I understand this. And yes it is hard to cope with sometimes. But you have a choice to either accept it, work to change it, or drop out of society and go live in the woods off the land. But don't use any sort of modern perks of society, because then you're just being a hypocrite. Take take take. Honestly it is your life and you don't have to surround yourself with things you don't like. It might take a lot more effort than you are surviving with now, but if you truly can't function then you have no other choice.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz] 2
#22112830 - 08/19/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zZZz said: that's because the experience is serious.
it changes lives, it creates life.
You know what is way closer to enlightenment then taking a psychedelic? How about falling in love and raising children. That is a real life experience that teaches you about the world.
Eating a couple tabs of acid and having thoughts about interconnectedness and the universe and shit is such bullcrap. You know fuck all buddy talk to a scientist and all his learning gives him way more knowledge about the universe.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#22112834 - 08/19/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Enlightenment = egotiscal douche who took 2.5 grams of mushrooms and suddenly becomes a know it all about everything.
looks like ure pretty enlightened urself aswell
Psychedelics are mental masturbation that give you all the bullshit thoughts you want and you see them as the truth. You learn a thousand times more about the world through life experiences and talking to people from different cultures and trying different things. Psychedelics give you the illusion of knowledge when in reality you know fuck all and wasted all your time tripping instead of living.
You can learn about the world and universe and shit by just reading a book. Seriously.
You seriously have a negative attitude towards psychedelics and drugs in general. I've noticed that in another thread you continuously argued that LSD and other psychedelics are bad for you and here you are berating psychedelics and saying people are wasting their time with tripping etc. Seriously it's hard to understand why you joined this site ...
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112840 - 08/19/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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all language and science we have today came from psychedelics. falling in love is so played out, and dont even get my started on raising kids.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz] 1
#22112853 - 08/19/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I don't think this is the response op wanted lol
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: WyoMX]
#22112857 - 08/19/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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all language and science we have today came from psychedelics.
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22112860 - 08/19/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zZZz said: all language and science we have today came from psychedelics. falling in love is so played out, and dont even get my started on raising kids.
are you talking about terence mckennas ridiculous "stoned ape" theory?
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Janky Tits]
#22112861 - 08/19/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I used to trip I understood the psychedelic experience for what it really is. I never thought I would be enlightened, I love the crazy thoughts and pretty colors and had epiphenies and realizations that were so real at the time, but when I tried to articulate what I thought after I realized most of it was bullshit and induced by the drug.
Psychedelics tap into this part of the brain where it gives you these crazy thoughts and ideas and make them seem real. I learnt to just enjoy the thoughts, the colours and not take the experience so damn seriously like everyone else does.
If you want to learn about humans and society, maybe try travelling to different places and talk to different people from different cultures and learn their perspective. If you want to feel inner good about yourself, maybe try volunteering and helping out people who are going through tough times. These are real experiences and have long lasting lessons that stay with you your entire life. Psychedelics give you bullshit beliefs based on thoughts that are delusional in the midst of a drug trip. Like I said the shaman culture is based on ayahuasca stuff. Their ideas are good but they are founded on bullshit like any other religion.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112866 - 08/19/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Terrence Mckenna is a fucking quack retard that spews so much bullshit it makes my ears hurt. The stoned ape theory is based on pure retardism.
-------------------- Taking acid and thinking you are a better man is a lot different then actually becoming a better man.
Edited by Bitter Cactus (08/19/15 04:26 PM)
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112869 - 08/19/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with you BC but you gotta admit tripping is still fun as shit
-------------------- I'm stupid, Enlil is smart. I'm ugly, Enlil is beautiful. I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner. Someday, I hope to be like Enlil but secretly know I never will.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22112871 - 08/19/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: I agree with you BC but you gotta admit tripping is still fun as shit
Tripping is fun as shit dude. I miss it so much.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Adolin] 1
#22112873 - 08/19/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why is it rediculous? We defenately have a drive to alter consciousness when not inhibited by culture or fear.
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specialpeopleclub said: Why is it rediculous? We defenately have a drive to alter consciousness when not inhibited by culture or fear.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22112880 - 08/19/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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all language and science we have today came from psychedelics.
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE

ure still partly undeveloped, i wouldnt expect u to understand
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz] 1
#22112884 - 08/19/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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all language and science we have today came from psychedelics.
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE

ure still partly undeveloped, i wouldnt expect u to understand
The "I don't expect you to understand" motto is exactly why I consider psychedelics ego strengthening drugs.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: When I used to trip I understood the psychedelic experience for what it really is. I never thought I would be enlightened, I love the crazy thoughts and pretty colors and had epiphenies and realizations that were so real at the time, but when I tried to articulate what I thought after I realized most of it was bullshit and induced by the drug.
Psychedelics tap into this part of the brain where it gives you these crazy thoughts and ideas and make them seem real. I learnt to just enjoy the thoughts, the colours and not take the experience so damn seriously like everyone else does.
u need to eat more psychedelics
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112898 - 08/19/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's one of the more interesting things he talked about, I think. He was a philosepher, and their discourse can get strange at times
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112899 - 08/19/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: People who trip and say they are enlightened are such psychedelic snobs and have the biggest egoes of them all. You don't know fuck all brotha you just got high and had crazy thoughts. Get over yourself.
qft.
i remember my first trip brah
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22112904 - 08/19/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: It's one of the more interesting things he talked about, I think. He was a philosepher, and their discourse can get strange at times
Terrence Mckenna should have honestly just started his own cult.
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#22112905 - 08/19/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: When I used to trip I understood the psychedelic experience for what it really is. I never thought I would be enlightened, I love the crazy thoughts and pretty colors and had epiphenies and realizations that were so real at the time, but when I tried to articulate what I thought after I realized most of it was bullshit and induced by the drug.
Psychedelics tap into this part of the brain where it gives you these crazy thoughts and ideas and make them seem real. I learnt to just enjoy the thoughts, the colours and not take the experience so damn seriously like everyone else does.
u need to eat more psychedelics
I eat more then you and I am agreeing with Bitter on this one. You get to a point young one where you understand it is just drugs.
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I do agree that psychedelics can definitely alter your perception in a way that can give a dramatic change as that was the case with me, but at the same time I have seen a lot of people where it did the opposite and strengthened their egos, I'd even go as far to say that more often than not this is the case, but I think it strongly depends on the individual.
They can help people, they can make other people worse , but IMO they don't cause enlightenment, they can enlighten you on certain things, and IME those things generally only relate to yourself.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
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what about the peeps who dont take psyches, it has probably been years since he's taken psyches yet he's ego is just as big as the op's
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
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Bitter Cactus said: When I used to trip I understood the psychedelic experience for what it really is. I never thought I would be enlightened, I love the crazy thoughts and pretty colors and had epiphenies and realizations that were so real at the time, but when I tried to articulate what I thought after I realized most of it was bullshit and induced by the drug.
Psychedelics tap into this part of the brain where it gives you these crazy thoughts and ideas and make them seem real. I learnt to just enjoy the thoughts, the colours and not take the experience so damn seriously like everyone else does.
u need to eat more psychedelics
I eat more then you and I am agreeing with Bitter on this one. You get to a point young one where you understand it is just drugs.
u eat mostly acid tho. come back when u take some real natural psychedelics like mushrooms.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
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I consider enlightenment something that takes a ton of work if it does exist. Not some 16 year old ordering a vial of 2ce off the internet and overdosing and calling himself the messiah.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
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enlightment in the buddhist sense of the word, does not come from drugs
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I've eaten over a pound of shrooms in my time. 5gs is my go to dose, eaten 7g a couple times.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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2ce is bad news. i dont disagree with u there.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
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Natural, unnatural, it makes no difference. Are you a mushroom snob that thinks only mushrooms enlighten you because they grow from the ground?
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
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well yea when abuse them that much they start to fuck with u
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I'm confused, are you saying there's not anything to the psychedelic experience but pretty colours and crazy thoughts? Are you also saying that if you met a real down to earth dude who referred to his psychedelics as things he learns and gains insight from. , you'd try your best to make him feel a fool because the way he uses it isn't in line with how you believe they should be used?
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He had a few theories that I think were somewhat tounge in cheek, especially the timewave zero thing. I dont get the same vibe as you. He seemed pretty nice, and wanted people to create art and find ideas. Like I said, phylisophical discourse is less rogid then scientific discourse.
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well yea when abuse them that much they start to fuck with u
Oh so now that I beat you on the dumb idea of what to eat and shit NOW it is me abusing them you are really unintelligent
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nuds] 1
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Where did op go?...I think y'all scared him off. Some pretty harsh comments guys....op is just having a little awakening about the way things really work and it disgusts him...He's young and impressionable and feels like he's been lied to.
Psychedelics opened his eyes and he compares this to enlightenment.Misguided as that may be, He needs to harness this and apply it to his actions...not just his words.
I mean...I am 55 yrs. old and I have always loved nature...but, after a couple mushroom trips in nature, I realized that X 100. I never felt so connected to it and also so demoralized by what mankind is doing to it. So...I take a stand in my community when the zoning people are trying to build another warehouse next to my favorite trout stream....or when politicos blindly say that the earth is not warming at a alarming rate...I take a stand...pass on factual data to friends that are on the fence. These are just a couple small examples...but, my point is that psychedelics can point us in the right direction.
Op just needs some time to rationalize his new thought process.
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well yea when abuse them that much they start to fuck with u
So, he does t thi NK like you because he does the "wrong" psychedelics. Wait, what? He's also taken plenty of mushrooms? Well, he just did it wrong. Makes sense.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer]
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I remember when I first started taking psychedelics...
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer]
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i just wanna build a tiny house by hand on a nice lot right next to a central market.
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I don't trust people who claim to be enlightened. They remind me of televangelists, and are a special kind of close minded.
You're never enlightened - the best you can do is to be someone who seeks enlightenment and knowledge, but as long as you live the process is never complete and everyone knows something that you don't. Society has a lot of downfalls, but if you can't open your eyes and see beyond that, you're missing incredibly beautiful things, the appreciation of knowledge, innovation, the quest to better ourselves, and the fact that most people at heart are simply doing what they think is best. Society isn't an entity, it isn't tangible, it's not real in the physical sense - it's an illusion that we're taught to believe - like santa claus. A lot of people break free of it and see the world outside of it, and a lot of people don't - but humans are still so much more than society.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
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Humans are so successful as a species because of our ability to cooperate, organize, and form complex social structures. Society is why we've been able to do so many awesome things.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer]
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Here is my issue with enlightenment. If you are already enlightened and you are in your teens or twenty something years old, where can you improve from there? Like seriously what is better then enlightenment?
That is basically the same thing as when you were a kid thinking you have the whole world figured out. If you are still young and think you are enlightened you are sorely fucking mistaken. There is still a ton of life experience to be gained and lessons to be learnt.
Enlightenment is complete bullshit as a concept and to say you are enlightened is the most egotistical thing you can say. I consider enlightenment a character flaw in the same realm as a delusional disorder.
If enlightenment does exist, which honestly it doesn't, it would take decades and decades of work to achieve. Not just taking a quarter ounce of mushrooms and getting really fucked up.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer]
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And that's something I didn't consider while posting, we're always in a perpetual tug of war with destruction and progression. I think both, without the other would actually lead to our downfall - animals that are too successful too fast end up damaging the ecosystem and in the end it eradicates said animals from whatever region they inhabited.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
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And that's something I didn't consider while posting, we're always in a perpetual tug of war with destruction and progression. I think both, without the other would actually lead to our downfall - animals that are too successful too fast end up damaging the ecosystem and in the end it eradicates said animals from whatever region they inhabited.
My attitude is hey, I am one guy. Instead of worrying about this stuff I am just gonna be happy and enjoy my life since I only live once.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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I just want to be happy . It is really hard sometimes, especially because I was sheltered from violence, poverty, and general hardship until I was an adult - and then I got bombarded with it all at once, and it still phases me sometimes and I tend to read about a lot of current events, and the utter chaos that exists everywhere overwhelms me sometimes. The truth is one nasty bitch sometimes.
But down in the depths of my cold black heart, I'm an optimist, or an optimistic realist.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Terrence Mckenna should have honestly just started his own cult.
Pretty much. Astonishing how some people take it as gospel
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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I think people who are new to the experience see it as a form of 'enlightment' because through psychedelic experiences you can begin to read between the lines of a lot of bullshit, you can realize that maybe not everything you've been taught, or been chasing, or had instilled within you throughout life is necessarily right. You don't have to be like everyone else and by being an 'individual' you can be much closer to hitting the bullseye of what can make a decent human being, what things you may/should/could value in life, than a lot of people, and through this It'd be very easy for newer people to confuse it as a form of 'enlightenment'.
But I was more trying to point out, where does the line get drawn? I take my psychedelic experiences seriously, definitely not as a means of achieving enlightenment, because the more I've tripped the more I've realized we don't know shit, but I'm okay with that. If someone takes it seriously and doesn't view it all as just pretty colours and a dash of insanity, does that make those people a snob, in your eyes? Are they not worth your time?
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nuds]
#22113221 - 08/19/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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OP you should listen to some of what this guy says about psychedelics on youtube.

You would eat everything he says up.
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Hey, I agreed with almost everything you said, but don't knock Mr. Rogan his psych view is a little off but overall he's a great comedian and usually offers good content
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a person shouldnt need psychedelics to realize those things. thats just being a rational adult
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Enlightenment is just a word to bandy about when you want to feel important or smart. It is not a real thing at all.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Adolin]
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Not everyone has introductions into the psychedelic world as rational adults.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Beanhead]
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Liquid, let me offer you a few ideas I've gathered that might help you organize the things you are percieving.
What you are being pointed towards by your psychedelic experiences is the natural state of your soul outside the veil of illusion/amnesia that is a part of being born on earth. You are regaining your perspective of what life is like outside of earth and are feeling your soul's response to the idea of experiencing limitation and lack. Your soul is used to living in a complete sense of abundance and creation so it is normal for you to experience what you are experiencing. Everybody does but you are connecting more to your senses now.
The higher sense that can be made out of what you are feeling is that you chose to come here and so did everybody else. Yes, this is a literal prison planet run by economic and energetic slavery and violence and realizing this can be disconcerting, but on some level, everybody is complicit in what goes on here so there are no victims.
Having said that, if you go after what your heart tells you to do with complete belief, and your heart is clearly telling you that there is more for you to do than what you are currently doing, you will be supported by the universe to complete what you came here to do. I'm not saying it will be easy but that's the game we are playing. If you continue to bring who you are into your current avatar, you will experience a sense of peace and integration that transcends anything you could possibly see or experience here. If you do anything else than that, you will experience pain and feelings of seperation for your whole life and you might resort to all sorts of things to distract yourself from this.
If you no longer wish to play on earth, don't follow the white light when you die. It's pretty nice in other places if that's what you think you want. This world is defined by polarity and has specific lessons to teach in that regard. No matter what you choose, you will be always loved, supported, and directed towards the light. In that sense, heaven can be found everywhere; even a planet which seems to be dominated by turmoil and negativity. Remember that even the darkness on this planet, as deep as it goes, is only light that has forgotten itself and is beginning to remember. Peace
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What you are being pointed towards by your psychedelic experiences is the natural state of your soul outside the veil of illusion/amnesia that is a part of being born on earth. You are regaining your perspective of what life is like outside of earth and are feeling your soul's response to the idea of experiencing limitation and lack. Your soul is used to living in a complete sense of abundance and creation so it is normal for you to experience what you are experiencing. Everybody does but you are connecting more to your senses now.
The higher sense that can be made out of what you are feeling is that you chose to come here and so did everybody else. Yes, this is a literal prison planet run by economic and energetic slavery and violence and realizing this can be disconcerting, but on some level, everybody is complicit in what goes on here so there are no victims.
Having said that, if you go after what your heart tells you to do with complete belief, and your heart is clearly telling you that there is more for you to do than what you are currently doing, you will be supported by the universe to complete what you came here to do. I'm not saying it will be easy but that's the game we are playing. If you continue to bring who you are into your current avatar, you will experience a sense of peace and integration that transcends anything you could possibly see or experience here. If you do anything else than that, you will experience pain and feelings of seperation for your whole life and you might resort to all sorts of things to distract yourself from this.
If you no longer wish to play on earth, don't follow the white light when you die. It's pretty nice in other places if that's what you think you want. This world is defined by polarity and has specific lessons to teach in that regard. No matter what you choose, you will be always loved, supported, and directed towards the light. In that sense, heaven can be found everywhere; even a planet which seems to be dominated by turmoil and negativity. Remember that even the darkness on this planet, as deep as it goes, is only light that has forgotten itself and is beginning to remember. Peace 
You must be one of those guys that really likes the sound of his own voice.
Some psychedelic induced rambles are no better then the ramble of a psychotic schizophrenic.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nuds]
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But I was more trying to point out, where does the line get drawn? I take my psychedelic experiences seriously, definitely not as a means of achieving enlightenment, because the more I've tripped the more I've realized we don't know shit, but I'm okay with that. If someone takes it seriously and doesn't view it all as just pretty colours and a dash of insanity, does that make those people a snob, in your eyes? Are they not worth your time?
When people first take psychedelics they feel like they're "enlightened" of one of any number of other forms of being SUPER into their experiences and being convinced they're WAY more meaningful, important, and impactful than they actually are. I believe this can be attributed to psychedelics' ability to artificially induce the emotion of "understanding", and do so to a far higher intensity than you'll encounter in day to day life. I strongly suspect this to be caused in just as direct fashion as the rest of their effects. Whatever network in the brain turns on to let you know you understand something is stimulated by psychedelics, producing profound feelings of understanding, learning, and knowledge. It's a very interesting and pleasurable feeling. However, most people when they take psychedelics at first are unable to recognize that this is a direct effect of the drug. They get the causation backwards, and believe that it was what they were experiencing as a result of the psychedelics caused it. Some people get past that, some people don't.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer]
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Psychedelics are just another class of drug. Stop putting psychedelics on a pedestal. They are great but so are a lot of things.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: Psychedelics are just another class of drug. Stop putting psychedelics on a pedestal. They are great but so are a lot of things. 
We're you talking to me? I, in no way, put them on a pedastal.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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saenchai said: Liquid, let me offer you a few ideas I've gathered that might help you organize the things you are percieving.
What you are being pointed towards by your psychedelic experiences is the natural state of your soul outside the veil of illusion/amnesia that is a part of being born on earth. You are regaining your perspective of what life is like outside of earth and are feeling your soul's response to the idea of experiencing limitation and lack. Your soul is used to living in a complete sense of abundance and creation so it is normal for you to experience what you are experiencing. Everybody does but you are connecting more to your senses now.
The higher sense that can be made out of what you are feeling is that you chose to come here and so did everybody else. Yes, this is a literal prison planet run by economic and energetic slavery and violence and realizing this can be disconcerting, but on some level, everybody is complicit in what goes on here so there are no victims.
Having said that, if you go after what your heart tells you to do with complete belief, and your heart is clearly telling you that there is more for you to do than what you are currently doing, you will be supported by the universe to complete what you came here to do. I'm not saying it will be easy but that's the game we are playing. If you continue to bring who you are into your current avatar, you will experience a sense of peace and integration that transcends anything you could possibly see or experience here. If you do anything else than that, you will experience pain and feelings of seperation for your whole life and you might resort to all sorts of things to distract yourself from this.
If you no longer wish to play on earth, don't follow the white light when you die. It's pretty nice in other places if that's what you think you want. This world is defined by polarity and has specific lessons to teach in that regard. No matter what you choose, you will be always loved, supported, and directed towards the light. In that sense, heaven can be found everywhere; even a planet which seems to be dominated by turmoil and negativity. Remember that even the darkness on this planet, as deep as it goes, is only light that has forgotten itself and is beginning to remember. Peace 
You must be one of those guys that really likes the sound of his own voice.
Some psychedelic induced rambles are no better then the ramble of a psychotic schizophrenic.
Seriously what a bunch of hippie word vomit
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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Psychedelic world rambles = mental masturbation. All those rambles end up doing is make you feel like you are smart even though they make zero sense 99 percent of the time.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22113448 - 08/19/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, u have a couple choices.
Move out into the country for the "simple" life, such aas living on a farm.
Or two, move to a third world country like cambodia where people live simple, basic lives.
Could be what u need
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22113475 - 08/19/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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there is a lot of misplaced hate for psychedelics in this thread. they can and often do provide very real insights about the world and a user's own mind that may not have been possible without a dissolving or break down of mental barriers they once had.
however, i kind of agree on one thing... anyone that says they are "enlightened" usually is full of it. no one knows, and acceptance about the world around them brings true peace of mind. I wouldn't say that psychedelics can't produce this state of mind at all. Besides, even if you're tripping, the real world is still very much going on around you, your brain is just making new connections that wouldn't happen in a sober mind state.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions] 1
#22113495 - 08/19/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those that say they're enlightened, are in fact not.
Regarding society, this quote sums it up for me.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
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Bitter Cactus said: When I used to trip I understood the psychedelic experience for what it really is. I never thought I would be enlightened, I love the crazy thoughts and pretty colors and had epiphenies and realizations that were so real at the time, but when I tried to articulate what I thought after I realized most of it was bullshit and induced by the drug.
Psychedelics tap into this part of the brain where it gives you these crazy thoughts and ideas and make them seem real. I learnt to just enjoy the thoughts, the colours and not take the experience so damn seriously like everyone else does.
u need to eat more psychedelics
I eat more then you and I am agreeing with Bitter on this one. You get to a point young one where you understand it is just drugs.
It's true, I once saw Doobie on 15 hits of acid going around and saying "I've got heady bunk doses, one for $85, two for $1,000" for the whole trip. He truly is not as enlightened as OP
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22113503 - 08/19/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, i havent used shrooms in about 4 or 5 years now. I definitely dont put the psychadelic experience on a pedestal.
However, I apologize. When I look outside and see people treating each other like crap when there is enough to go around for everybody, I should be apathetic to it. Thanks for showing me the errors of my ways guys.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: saenchai] 1
#22113510 - 08/19/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stop hanging out with people who are bad to each other then, and just be good to people and they'll be good back. It's effortless, and feels good to everyone
Although talking shit to people when warranted is cool too
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#22113562 - 08/19/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psychedelics offer the opportunity of insight, and of a previously unexplored perspective. In the end, you(at least I) are aware of just how strange existence is - I think carl sagan said "we are the universe experiencing itself", and that is the only way I can explain how I've felt on so many trips.
That being said, my experience with people who consider themselves enlightened has made me feel that they are almost naive, sometimes arrogant.
Our brains have evolved to function in the most efficient way possible that's conducive to our success as a species, what we see is merely an adaption, not in anyway an absolute truth whatsoever. You can argue what truth really means, but you have to wonder what vastly different world other sentient creatures exist in. There is so much sensory information that we are not perceiving - including being able to see our own fucking noses when they're in our field of vision, simply because it would be inefficient for the brain to process that info.
I think that psychedelics open the floodgates when it comes to sensory info, and as a result, you get a fleeting glance of what it may be like to transcend beyond what essentially makes us human. And needless to say, when shit like that happens, preconceived notions aren't able to chain you down so easily. What we get is a glimpse outside our own brains, it makes me wonder where along the line our ancestors became self-aware, how far back, and I can't help but equate what we feel and see on psychedelics is akin to suddenly awakening to a new sort of awareness.
That being said, ime, people who have reached enlightenment as per their own declarations tend to be naive, or even arrogant. I get that what you experience on a powerful trip often puts your mind at ease and gives you more insight into what the fuck this whole existence thing is - but you're not enlightened. It makes me feel like I understand how inconsequential this body is and kin
I would call it being 'aware'. You got a glimpse. You realized that you are a blip on the radar of something much bigger beyond the constructs of your own ego, After realizing that so many absolute truths you saw before are nothing more than your brain's adaption of an infinite mystery, you don't know anything, you just know that there is so much more than you, and I, and us. You are merely aware of how little you know, and while that is an incredible tidbit of knowledge to know and hopefully it will forever make you ask new questions, ponder new things, and seek to know more.
You are changed forever, but you don't harbor any kind of privileged secret that elevates you above the rest, you are not guaranteed anything from the experience, let alone something as intangible as 'truth'.
On a more practical note, if our brain perceived the world the way it does on psychedelics all the time, we would cease to be human. And we'd probably die out, because our brains are the sole reason we are a successful species, and it evolved to behave this way for a reason. And it's still evolving. Which is really cool to think about.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
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Well said
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Bitter Cactus said: Enlightenment = egotiscal douche who took 2.5 grams of mushrooms and suddenly becomes a know it all about everything.
looks like ure pretty enlightened urself aswell
Psychedelics are mental masturbation that give you all the bullshit thoughts you want and you see them as the truth. You learn a thousand times more about the world through life experiences and talking to people from different cultures and trying different things. Psychedelics give you the illusion of knowledge when in reality you know fuck all and wasted all your time tripping instead of living.
You can learn about the world and universe and shit by just reading a book. Seriously.
I think neuroscience has already confirmed that psychedelics "quiet" the brain so that reality can be perceived more directly. So the opposite of what you're saying would be true. But I do think that they can be a sort of trap for some people, in that they falsely interpret their experience and create a whole new "illusion of knowledge" based on that. That's not the psychedelic's fault, that's human folly. I'd guess that most experienced trippers went through that at some point in their history to some degree anyway.
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i find it strange that people say psychedelics have nothing to offer, and it's all just colors and bullshit, but what those people dont realize is the psychedelics are powered by u and ur life experiences whether they were conscious or subconsciousness. if u didnt exist then there would be absolutely no psychedelic experience because there wouldnt be a you to experience it.
we are the psychedelics experience, these psychedelic drugs just bring out what is already within us.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22113636 - 08/19/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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im surprised you were even able to understand all that was written, u're getting better at this 
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz] 1
#22113646 - 08/19/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't start with me ZzzZ. Try not to drool on yourself while you're typing.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22113654 - 08/19/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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dont start with me bro 
im not the dude with a riff raft avatar btw
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
#22113659 - 08/19/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is what i said as well, PB
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
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im not the dude with a riff raft avatar btw 
                   
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22113673 - 08/19/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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When was the last time you did some community service, OP? I am guessing it has been a long time.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Hobozen]
#22113698 - 08/19/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have to agree that enlightenment as a concept is not useful and is an ego trap.
I don't think the op was trying to be egotistical, I think he didn't have any other words or concepts to describe and relate what he is feeling which is in stark opposition to the way the world can seem.
He could just as easily have said I feel unfulfilled with my life as it is currently, confused what to choose now, and disagree with how we live as a species. Isn't that a very clear and even necessary observation for a healthy, relatively young human being to make in a world where the masses are socially engineered, killed, and controlled like soulless cattle to serve the needs of a political elite?
The world doesnt need to be perfect but it can be a lot better than that lol. We don't have to set the bar so low
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I think neuroscience has already confirmed that psychedelics "quiet" the brain so that reality can be perceived more directly.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Hobozen]
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looks like ure pretty enlightened urself aswell
Psychedelics are mental masturbation that give you all the bullshit thoughts you want and you see them as the truth. You learn a thousand times more about the world through life experiences and talking to people from different cultures and trying different things. Psychedelics give you the illusion of knowledge when in reality you know fuck all and wasted all your time tripping instead of living.
You can learn about the world and universe and shit by just reading a book. Seriously.
I think neuroscience has already confirmed that psychedelics "quiet" the brain so that reality can be perceived more directly. So the opposite of what you're saying would be true. But I do think that they can be a sort of trap for some people, in that they falsely interpret their experience and create a whole new "illusion of knowledge" based on that. That's not the psychedelic's fault, that's human folly. I'd guess that most experienced trippers went through that at some point in their history to some degree anyway.
You are 100% wrong.
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I think neuroscience has already confirmed that psychedelics "quiet" the brain so that reality can be perceived more directly.
no.
Psychonauts pick and choose what scientific "facts" they want to believe.
Like IMO there is zero evidence DMT is released when you are about to die. I do not believe that for a second.
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This is what i was thinking of
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[...] Turn On, Tune In and Drop Out
The British scientists injected either a harmless saltwater concoction (a placebo) or two milligrams of psilocybin directly into the veins of 30 volunteers while they were lying inside a magnetic scanner. As expected, the subjects experienced within a minute or two the effects of the drug. During their short “trip,” their brains were scanned with one of two different functional MRI techniques. Both gave consistent but very surprising results.
Brain activity was widely reduced! That is, these mind-altering drugs decreased hemodynamic activity, including blood flow, in selected regions, such as the thalamus, the medial prefrontal cortex (mPFC), the ACC and the posterior cingulate cortex (PCC). Activity in these regions dropped by up to 20 percent, relative to before the injection. Even more striking, the deeper the reduction in activity in the ACC and mPFC, the stronger the subject felt the effects of the hallucinogen. Nowhere did activity show an increase. Furthermore, the communication between the PFC and cortical regions in the back of the brain was also disrupted. The surprise is not that reduction of hemodynamic activity in specific sectors of the brain is unheard of. Nor was the activity completely turned off—that would lead within minutes to permanent damage and brain death.
Hemodynamic activity as registered by fMRI scanners is tightly linked to neuronal activity. A standard reading of Nutt’s fMRI data seems to imply that expanding your mind by taking magic mushrooms turns many brain circuits down rather than up. Suddenly, Timothy Leary’s famous admonition to hippies to “turn on, tune in and drop out” acquires a whole new meaning.
The ACC and parts of the mPFC inhibit limbic and other structures. Thus, their downregulation, or reduction in response, would allow the content of the limbic systems that process emotion and perhaps sensory cortices to play a relatively more dominant role. It is not that enhanced hemodynamic, or even neuronal, activity by itself gives rise to perception and thought. After all, epileptic seizures are hypersynchronized discharges that engulf the entire cortex in massive rhythmic activity that renders the patient unconscious. It is the pattern of spiking across heterogeneous populations of neurons that carries the specific information, the messages, that are represented in consciousness.
At this point, this is all pure speculation because the detailed biophysical mechanisms and the effects of psilocybin on different neurons remain to be worked out.
Any such remarkable finding needs to be replicated by other groups before it becomes part of textbook knowledge. Moreover, the discrepancy with the earlier PET experiments needs to be explained. Two major differences are the mode of taking the drug (intravenously versus orally) and the time of measurement (immediately versus an hour later).
What is intriguing is that the regions that show the strongest reduction in activity are among the most heavily interconnected in the brain. They act like traffic circles or hubs that link disparate regions. Thus, the brain on psilocybin becomes more disconnected, more fragmented, which might explain some of the dissociative aspects of acid trips. Yet why this state should cause the mind-expanding effects that are the prime reason these drugs are treasured is utterly unclear. The study once again highlights how elusive our knowledge of the mind-brain hinge remains.
This article was published in print as "This is Your Brain on Drugs."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/this-is-your-brain-on-drugs/
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looks like ure pretty enlightened urself aswell
Psychedelics are mental masturbation that give you all the bullshit thoughts you want and you see them as the truth. You learn a thousand times more about the world through life experiences and talking to people from different cultures and trying different things. Psychedelics give you the illusion of knowledge when in reality you know fuck all and wasted all your time tripping instead of living.
You can learn about the world and universe and shit by just reading a book. Seriously.
I think neuroscience has already confirmed that psychedelics "quiet" the brain so that reality can be perceived more directly. So the opposite of what you're saying would be true. But I do think that they can be a sort of trap for some people, in that they falsely interpret their experience and create a whole new "illusion of knowledge" based on that. That's not the psychedelic's fault, that's human folly. I'd guess that most experienced trippers went through that at some point in their history to some degree anyway.
We do not yet have a complete picture of LSD's pharmacology. It does appear that LSD'S effects are caused by reducing activity in some parts of the brain, while increasing it in others. What you experience is an alteration of how the brain processes information. Your experience of the world is entirely manufactured by the brain in an active process, and basically any piece of that experience can be distorted or broken, and it's amazing and fascinating. I don't want to go on a tangent, but a great examples are Cortard and Capgras delusions. These are relatively well known now, so this may not be new to most people. But, in Cortard's Delusion, the person believes that they Are dead, simply non existent, or sometimes Immortal. Capgras delusion is the delusional belief that one or more close people to you has been replaced by an identical imposter. These are both that to l be caused by the same, or very similar, part of the brain malfunctioning for whatever individual reason. That part of the brain is what allows you to not only recognize faces, but to readily associate those faces, with an individual's identy and your emotional reaction to them. So, someone with this issue sees someone else, or themselvesvesz has no problem identifying the face. They know that face is definitely Bob's. But that next part where emotions and associations and familiarity are associated with it cannot take place. Because this is so puzzling and alient to the afflicted person, they often come to the conclusion that the person they're speaking to (say, your dad) can not possibly be the people they've known for so long. That's more Capgras delusion I've described. However, Cortard's is more or less the same thing but with the patient's own face, leading them to conclude that they must, in some form and beet or another,
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I said I didn't want to go on a tangent, then immediate did so the rest of that post. Still typing out my thoughts that:lol,:
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I think neuroscience has already confirmed that psychedelics "quiet" the brain so that reality can be perceived more directly. So the opposite of what you're saying would be true. But I do think that they can be a sort of trap for some people, in that they falsely interpret their experience and create a whole new "illusion of knowledge" based on that. That's not the psychedelic's fault, that's human folly. I'd guess that most experienced trippers went through that at some point in their history to some degree anyway.
You are 100% wrong.
eh, no he's not. mushrooms reduce activity at the 'Default Mode Network' consisting but i think not limited to the posterior cingulate cortex, and the medial prefrontal cortex.
also, didn't you kind of agree with the part where psychedelics can create the illusion of knowledge?
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I just don't think a substance that's a serotonin agonist can be considered something that quiets the brain. That's really all i'm saying.
I wasn't really referring the illusion of knowledge part so i guess his post wasn't 100% wrong
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I admit I jumped the gun a bit there, but if you read the article I linked to above, it doesn't seem that far off base 
During their short “trip,” their brains were scanned with one of two different functional MRI techniques. Both gave consistent but very surprising results.
Brain activity was widely reduced! That is, these mind-altering drugs decreased hemodynamic activity, including blood flow, in selected regions, such as the thalamus, the medial prefrontal cortex (mPFC), the ACC and the posterior cingulate cortex (PCC). ... A standard reading of Nutt’s fMRI data seems to imply that expanding your mind by taking magic mushrooms turns many brain circuits down rather than up.
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zZZz said: i find it strange that people say psychedelics have nothing to offer, and it's all just colors and bullshit, but what those people dont realize is the psychedelics are powered by u and ur life experiences whether they were conscious or subconsciousness. if u didnt exist then there would be absolutely no psychedelic experience because there wouldnt be a you to experience it.
we are the psychedelics experience, these psychedelic drugs just bring out what is already within us.
i'm not surprised when they say that about acid because most people I meet IRL who try it have no clue that there's a distinct possibility that it's an RC and aren't aware that acid should be tasteless so if they get nbombed they're none the wiser. Though I've had a pretty gnarly trip on nbomb before despite being subpar to acid.
and if they end up with real acid a hit could be 50mics or some weak ass bullshit, and if they haven't experienced a solid trip before I imagine they'd be pretty underwhelmed and think it was way too hyped up.
I remember some guy telling me how lame it was and I told him he either got a shit hand dealt to him from whoever he got it from, or he was possibly taking medication that can inhibit the effects. But I guess some people are brick walls when it comes to sensitivity and maybe he just needed more than average for a bon voyage.
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was just reading this: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/what-happens-to-brains-during-spiritual-experiences/361882/
it's interesting that during 'spiritual experiences' frontal lobe activity also decreases just as it does when mushrooms have been ingested.
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I wasn't really referring the illusion of knowledge part so i guess his post wasn't 100% wrong
serotonin's molecular structure brings about a 'normal' functioning of the brain modulating other neurotransmitter levels and directly dealing with many bodily functions in the gut, vasodilation and constriction, and mood regulation. if you're introducing a substance that competes with serotonin at specific networks, i would think it would inhibit some functioning, if only just interfering with normal functioning whatever the result may be
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there's also this - http://www.iflscience.com/brain/magic-mushroom-chemical-hyper-connects-brain
like i said before, the brain is connecting in ways and places it didn't normally under the influence of psychedelics, so who's to say that you can't piece together new thoughts in your mind under the influence of these substances?
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
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SirShroomsAlott said: You're not enlightened, sorry to break it to you.
Learn acceptance, that's leaning more towards the side of enlightenment.
Acceptance is a part of enlightenment for sure. I am really happy and content with most shit but I have not fully accepted all the idiot bullshit out there.
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we are the psychedelics experience, these psychedelic drugs just bring out what is already within us.
i'm not surprised when they say that about acid because most people I meet IRL who try it have no clue that there's a distinct possibility that it's an RC and aren't aware that acid should be tasteless so if they get nbombed they're none the wiser. Though I've had a pretty gnarly trip on nbomb before despite being subpar to acid.
and if they end up with real acid a hit could be 50mics or some weak ass bullshit, and if they haven't experienced a solid trip before I imagine they'd be pretty underwhelmed and think it was way too hyped up.
I remember some guy telling me how lame it was and I told him he either got a shit hand dealt to him from whoever he got it from, or he was possibly taking medication that can inhibit the effects. But I guess some people are brick walls when it comes to sensitivity and maybe he just needed more than average for a bon voyage.
Very true. People would be surprised how few people actually know how to spot real LSD and the rest usually get bullshitted by greedy dealers.
People like william pickard were literally saving the fucking world. It is very obvious that psychedelics, or at least the people who use them, are the types of people who the world needs most. Ignorance is the source of the worlds problems but psychedelics let you see past it all and it shows you the REAL world with you in the front row seat.
Free thinkers are the ones who I place faith in. Politicians, radicals, uneducated people, and all other types of ignorants are slamming the brake on so many things in the world.
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we are the psychedelics experience, these psychedelic drugs just bring out what is already within us.
i'm not surprised when they say that about acid because most people I meet IRL who try it have no clue that there's a distinct possibility that it's an RC and aren't aware that acid should be tasteless so if they get nbombed they're none the wiser. Though I've had a pretty gnarly trip on nbomb before despite being subpar to acid.
and if they end up with real acid a hit could be 50mics or some weak ass bullshit, and if they haven't experienced a solid trip before I imagine they'd be pretty underwhelmed and think it was way too hyped up.
I remember some guy telling me how lame it was and I told him he either got a shit hand dealt to him from whoever he got it from, or he was possibly taking medication that can inhibit the effects. But I guess some people are brick walls when it comes to sensitivity and maybe he just needed more than average for a bon voyage.
Any time people say this I give them 2 hits of some really good WoW and then they usually get the message
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FWIW, i have personally had 50 ug of LSD (had it tested and weighed by a chemist friend of mine) and it was well enough to produce pronounced visuals and a psychedelic experience. wasn't the strongest experience i've ever had, but it was strong enough for a 'solid' trip.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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go to slab city like me. I'll just sit in the shade of my trash shanty and contemplate the absurdity of life, the universe and everything and eat more psychedelics by night.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: 404]
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Haven't taken 50ug but I did 70ug once. Had some visuals for sure and I would call it a trip but it was much more uncomfortable than say a 100ug trip. 70ug had me on the edge for the entire 12 hours, gave me the same stimulation and body sensation as a normal trip but the headspace was in and out of what I'd call psychedelic and the visuals were very minor.
I much prefer lower shroom doses
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I feel ya OP, I personally find that society is a great concept but at this time in age could be greatly improved upon. I don't mean to rock the boat but I feel the majority of folks posting in here will not agree with what I say (which is fine, we are ALL entitled to our own opinions!) but I just want to the show OP he is not alone. I am all for psychedelics & even advocate their usage as long as its done in a correct setting with a proper mindset & a sitter (for the first few experiences atleast). There certainly is more to life then psychedelics but they definitely have a lot to teach/show us.
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Sitting around tripping and complaining won't change anything tho.
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caman said: I feel ya OP, I personally find that society is a great concept but at this time in age could be greatly improved upon. I don't mean to rock the boat but I feel the majority of folks posting in here will not agree with what I say (which is fine, we are ALL entitled to our own opinions!) but I just want to the show OP he is not alone. I am all for psychedelics & even advocate their usage as long as its done in a correct setting with a proper mindset & a sitter (for the first few experiences atleast). There certainly is more to life then psychedelics but they definitely have a lot to teach/show us.
They have a LOT to teach those willing to learn. It isn't some mysticism bullshit, they shred apart barriers and help you find doors you didn't know existed.
I agree society as a whole is fucked and it makes me disgusted to be a part of something as fucked up as it is.
I only hang around people who have open minds. Having a viewpoint doesn't mean you don't have open thinking, and there is always room for debate on subjects. It's when blatant things like drug prohibition, racism, bigotry, and money come in to play. It's okay to have an opinion and even make laws but forcing entire countries to follow incorrect, ignorant laws/ideas and making those who disagree to suffer is just a joke.
Not saying anarchy is a good thing, because it isn't. The world isn't ready for laws to be erased. There are people out there who are though. That is why I cannot stand ignorant, stupid people because they are the only thing preventing the rest of us from living in a land without oppression.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
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Whatever, I think society does a pretty good job overall. We have nice buildings, we have roads, most people get along. 
Most of us have a roof over our heads, a warm meal every morning.
I think most people here are just negative nancies. At least we are not ethiopia.
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They have a LOT to teach those willing to learn. It isn't some mysticism bullshit, they shred apart barriers and help you find doors you didn't know existed.
I agree society as a whole is fucked and it makes me disgusted to be a part of something as fucked up as it is.
I only hang around people who have open minds. Having a viewpoint doesn't mean you don't have open thinking, and there is always room for debate on subjects. It's when blatant things like drug prohibition, racism, bigotry, and money come in to play. It's okay to have an opinion and even make laws but forcing entire countries to follow incorrect, ignorant laws/ideas and making those who disagree to suffer is just a joke.
Not saying anarchy is a good thing, because it isn't. The world isn't ready for laws to be erased. There are people out there who are though. That is why I cannot stand ignorant, stupid people because they are the only thing preventing the rest of us from living in a land without oppression.
Right on !
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: Whatever, I think society does a pretty good job overall. We have nice buildings, we have roads, most people get along. 
Most of us have a roof over our heads, a warm meal every morning.
I think most people here are just negative nancies. At least we are not ethiopia.
You can thank money for that. It's just another part of society that we COULD truthfully do without.
Even people who hate each other more than anything are willing to work together as long as money is involved. It's not like most people have a choice either, money has become such a requirement in the modern world.
It isn't solving the root problems, which are mainly ignorance and hatred. It is simply an incentive that we are forced to meet.
There is a difference between a productive society and a successful one. The world as it is now (especially the western world) is a PRODUCTIVE one, but calling it successful is far fetched IMHO.
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Bitter Cactus said: Whatever, I think society does a pretty good job overall. We have nice buildings, we have roads, most people get along. 
Most of us have a roof over our heads, a warm meal every morning.
I think most people here are just negative nancies. At least we are not ethiopia.
You can thank money for that. It's just another part of society that we COULD truthfully do without.
Even people who hate each other more than anything are willing to work together as long as money is involved. It's not like most people have a choice either, money has become such a requirement in the modern world.
It isn't solving the root problems, which are mainly ignorance and hatred. It is simply an incentive that we are forced to meet.
There is a difference between a productive society and a successful one. The world as it is now (especially the western world) is a PRODUCTIVE one, but calling it successful is far fetched IMHO.
Whatever. 
I have no problem with money. The only other currency you could use is pretty much weed or some pussy. Honestly money is a good thing it gives you something to work for. You are just a negative nancy dude.
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Bitter Cactus said: Whatever, I think society does a pretty good job overall. We have nice buildings, we have roads, most people get along. 
Most of us have a roof over our heads, a warm meal every morning.
I think most people here are just negative nancies. At least we are not ethiopia.
'negative nancy' lol aren't you the guy that pretends to be a police officer and trolls about marijuana and even going so far as to advocate for drug prohibition?
our society does a pretty awesome job at fucking people's lives up in regards to the judicial system and drug possession as well.
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Prohibition is a good thing. It prevents people from having access to dangerous drugs that can ruin their lives. Prohibition makes it very difficult for me to acquire drugs like PCP, GHB, LSD ect. Even if I wanted to pick up some meth or heroin I would have to go to a really shitty part of town, deal with messed up people and risk going to jail. I have no idea how good the quality will be or if I will get shorted.
I always hear the argument "if crack were legal tomorrow, would you try it". My response to that question is "fuck yes I would". Like honestly think about it for a second. If you could go to a store and buy any drug you wanted do you think you would end up an addict?
I think prohibition is in the best interests of drug users and all people alike. It actually does make it difficult for people to access certain drugs and helps addicts in recovery not have easy access for relapse.
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Bitter Cactus said: Whatever, I think society does a pretty good job overall. We have nice buildings, we have roads, most people get along. 
Most of us have a roof over our heads, a warm meal every morning.
I think most people here are just negative nancies. At least we are not ethiopia.
'negative nancy' lol aren't you the guy that pretends to be a police officer and trolls about marijuana and even going so far as to advocate for drug prohibition?
our society does a pretty awesome job at fucking people's lives up in regards to the judicial system and drug possession as well.
I think legalizing meth and heroin and crack is never gonna end up working out. Get over yourself. 
I believe in decriminalization of all drugs, but not full blown legalization of every drug.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
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No we couldn't. It would just resort back to bartering and we'd be back at square one.
The human race is both successful and productive, we've accomplished quite a lot in the past few thousand years.
I'm going to have to agree with cactus and say most of you take what you've been given for granted.
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MoxyOx said: No we couldn't. It would just resort back to bartering and we'd be back at square one.
The human race is both successful and productive, we've accomplished quite a lot in the past few thousand years.
I'm going to have to agree with cactus and say most of you take what you've been given for granted.
Ya bud go form some hippy society in the woods that doesn't use money and see how long that works. Money is a motivator we need it in a capitalistic society. If you start whining about capitalism cause you think it is bad cause you had a trip that said so then this discussion is over.
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I believe in decriminalization of all drugs, but not full blown legalization of every drug.
yeah. that's definitely not the tune you were singing before. and LOL having those drugs illegal only creates a huge profit margin for the cartels and fuels their reign over the black market. you are delusional if you think making drugs illegal is a good thing.
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What does enlightenment mean to you OP?
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: 404]
#22114080 - 08/19/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe in decriminalization of all drugs, but not full blown legalization of every drug.
yeah. that's definitely not the tune you were singing before. and LOL having those drugs illegal only creates a huge profit margin for the cartels and fuels their reign over the black market. you are delusional if you think making drugs illegal is a good thing.
Legal meth and coke would be bad news bears. Seriously. Especially places where meth is tough as fuck to find in the first place, why would you make it available in stores. Legalizing weed is fine, but going to the corner store to buy meth is just never going to happen.
If crack was legal to buy in stores tomorrow and I had like ten bucks and nothing to do, I would get a hit of crack. I think a lot of people would and it would end up being all fucked up.
Decriminalization is the best bet IMO.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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This is like the example of posters saying here that heroin is safer then alcohol. Maybe if you are rat in a lab and everything is done in perfect conditions, but in real life I would have no problem giving my kid a sip of beer, but he sure as fuck is not gonna be anywhere near heroin.
In theory, legalization sounds like rainbows and butterflies. No more drug dealers, no more addicts being arrested, but honestly in real life scenarios one thing you need to understand is that people are generally not so smart and if you give them really easy access to a wide variety of drugs things go badly very very quickly. I am talking about so many stories of good kids trying some coke or heroin because it is legal and pure and sold in stores, only to have their lives consumed by the drug and then there ends up being more stealing, prostitution and other crimes. I can imagine stores getting robbed for all their hard drugs and it would not be so simple.
Decriminalize all drugs, legalize weed and maybe a couple others if the public is in favor of it and move along from there. But seriously full blown legalization is not unicorns and rainbows and butterflies like you think it would be.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: 404]
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Really neat article, 404 I'm really intrigued by this subject, looks like I've got some new reading material for a bit.
I heard that mushrooms are akin to a "Waking dream" which is cool to ponder. I just looked up some stuff, and apparently your pre-frontal cortex, which is apart of your frontal lobe, and it's significantly inactive during REM sleep and dreams.
http://www.howsleepworks.com/dreams_how.html
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404 said: FWIW, i have personally had 50 ug of LSD (had it tested and weighed by a chemist friend of mine) and it was well enough to produce pronounced visuals and a psychedelic experience. wasn't the strongest experience i've ever had, but it was strong enough for a 'solid' trip.
Yeah I'd imagine you'd get threshold effects. I've split a tab with a friend at a party because between us we had a dose of some sweet ass mdma, and about a gram and a half of mushrooms, so we just decided to split it and take it together and it was surprisingly effective, enough to get some visuals and feel really, really pleasantly calm and social, hard to say what was causing what other than being super synergistic. Everyone else was rolling balls and I was totally fine with being the weirdly pleasant calm person with huge pupils bringing everyone glasses of water and fruit.
I'm a savage and don't test acid unless I don't know who I'm getting it from, so while I consider an average hit to be around 100ug give or take, I don't get pissed when it ends up being less than expected, normally I'm pretty content with what I get.
But I've only recently had my mind unexpectedly blown to smithereens by one tab of acid to an extent I did not expect and ended up out in the boondocks watching Cosmos on the side of a house with a projector and a bunch of lazer lights outside at night with a bunch of people and one tab had me on the ground buried in blankets hugging myself and just feeling incapacitated while trying to take in everything I was feeling and seeing, it was so overwhelming and exhausting to experience, but it was the most meaningful and beautiful trip I've had yet. I was trying to wrap my head around going back to normal after feeling and experiencing the things I did(it helped that Cosmos legitimately looked like a 3d hologram at the time), I was changed by it for sure, but I couldn't wrap my head around coming down, going to sleep, and then going about my normal life, working the daily grind and being apart of the world. The next day I felt so weird, and not the usual post acid weird.
I sort of felt like the Unicorn in The Last Unicorn when she gets trapped in a human body because of a witch.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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If I had rulers who allowed me the means to basic sustenance: enough to keep me alive and complacent as long as im not the one starving to death, just so those people in power could use me and everybody else as human capital to nourish their narcissistic desires to lavishly rule the earth, I wouldn't be thankful to them or my diminished existence; at least at that level. It is healthy to believe that you should have the best from yourself and from the world as long as it isn't at other's expenses. Meekness in that regard is an aberration that they program into people through the media.
We don't need them. They only leech off of us at this point. They offer us nothing in terms of standard of living. Technology did that, not the people who make the rules. Speaking of technology, there are some recent inventions that would even further advance any person's accessibility to a higher standard of living which have been forcefully shelved by these people who enjoy our current dependency on this system. We can enjoy these same comforts and more for everybody if we cease to lend them legitimacy. What does drug legalization have to do with it
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#22114148 - 08/19/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: This is like the example of posters saying here that heroin is safer then alcohol. Maybe if you are rat in a lab and everything is done in perfect conditions, but in real life I would have no problem giving my kid a sip of beer, but he sure as fuck is not gonna be anywhere near heroin.
In theory, legalization sounds like rainbows and butterflies. No more drug dealers, no more addicts being arrested, but honestly in real life scenarios one thing you need to understand is that people are generally not so smart and if you give them really easy access to a wide variety of drugs things go badly very very quickly. I am talking about so many stories of good kids trying some coke or heroin because it is legal and pure and sold in stores, only to have their lives consumed by the drug and then there ends up being more stealing, prostitution and other crimes. I can imagine stores getting robbed for all their hard drugs and it would not be so simple.
Decriminalize all drugs, legalize weed and maybe a couple others if the public is in favor of it and move along from there. But seriously full blown legalization is not unicorns and rainbows and butterflies like you think it would be.
I agree with what you're saying but it definitely isn't what you used to preach.
Like I said a few posts ago, the world isn't ready for laws such as drug laws to be erased because of the people who make up most of society can't handle it. They will fuck it up and then things will be illegal again. The issue is the people who make those poor choices, not the drugs themselves. That is why, again like I said, society is fucked and it pisses me off. There are those of us who can handle it (things like LEGAL drugs) and those who can't. The ones who can't are ruining it for everyone else.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#22114164 - 08/19/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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saenchai said: If I had rulers who allowed me the means to basic sustenance: enough to keep me alive and complacent as long as im not the one starving to death, just so those people in power could use me and everybody else as human capital to nourish their narcissistic desires to lavishly rule the earth, I wouldn't be thankful to them or my diminished existence; at least at that level. It is healthy to believe that you should have the best from yourself and from the world as long as it isn't at other's expenses. Meekness in that regard is an aberration that they program into people through the media.
We don't need them. They only leech off of us at this point. They offer us nothing in terms of standard of living. Technology did that, not the people who make the rules. Speaking of technology, there are some recent inventions that would even further advance any person's accessibility to a higher standard of living which have been forcefully shelved by these people who enjoy our current dependency on this system. We can enjoy these same comforts and more for everybody if we cease to lend them legitimacy. What does drug legalization have to do with it
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Bitter Cactus said: This is like the example of posters saying here that heroin is safer then alcohol. Maybe if you are rat in a lab and everything is done in perfect conditions, but in real life I would have no problem giving my kid a sip of beer, but he sure as fuck is not gonna be anywhere near heroin.
In theory, legalization sounds like rainbows and butterflies. No more drug dealers, no more addicts being arrested, but honestly in real life scenarios one thing you need to understand is that people are generally not so smart and if you give them really easy access to a wide variety of drugs things go badly very very quickly. I am talking about so many stories of good kids trying some coke or heroin because it is legal and pure and sold in stores, only to have their lives consumed by the drug and then there ends up being more stealing, prostitution and other crimes. I can imagine stores getting robbed for all their hard drugs and it would not be so simple.
Decriminalize all drugs, legalize weed and maybe a couple others if the public is in favor of it and move along from there. But seriously full blown legalization is not unicorns and rainbows and butterflies like you think it would be.
I agree with what you're saying but it definitely isn't what you used to preach.
Listen, I used to fuck around a little bit and get under people's skin here for fun. I stopped doing that so that is probably why my opinions changed.
But ya man, I am an ex meth addict and honestly if a hit of meth was available five minutes away at the store my sobriety would be over in a flash. One of the things that honestly does stop me from doing it is just the shady sketch bags involved in the stuff. Not for me.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#22114191 - 08/19/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: But ya man, I am an ex meth addict and honestly if a hit of meth was available five minutes away at the store my sobriety would be over in a flash.
That's your problem.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22114251 - 08/19/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: People who trip and say they are enlightened are such psychedelic snobs and have the biggest egoes of them all. You don't know fuck all brotha you just got high and had crazy thoughts. Get over yourself.
Yes some are like that but not all us...we grow each time we trip and need understand were all part of ONE Universe. read "the shadow people by Debbie Ford.
and that well help on your path but it never be over till we return to the dust of the earth...
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: superbob57] 1
#22114255 - 08/19/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah I think enlightenment is relative. Sometimes we might take a bigger jump forward and be all like "wow I must be enlightened now" but if you're not careful your ego will grab hold of that shit and drag you back to where you were in the first place (or further back). Luckily it's all circles, not a line, so it's all good.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#22114271 - 08/19/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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saenchai said: If I had rulers who allowed me the means to basic sustenance: enough to keep me alive and complacent as long as im not the one starving to death, just so those people in power could use me and everybody else as human capital to nourish their narcissistic desires to lavishly rule the earth, I wouldn't be thankful to them or my diminished existence; at least at that level. It is healthy to believe that you should have the best from yourself and from the world as long as it isn't at other's expenses. Meekness in that regard is an aberration that they program into people through the media.
We don't need them. They only leech off of us at this point. They offer us nothing in terms of standard of living. Technology did that, not the people who make the rules. Speaking of technology, there are some recent inventions that would even further advance any person's accessibility to a higher standard of living which have been forcefully shelved by these people who enjoy our current dependency on this system. We can enjoy these same comforts and more for everybody if we cease to lend them legitimacy. What does drug legalization have to do with it
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Bitter Cactus said: This is like the example of posters saying here that heroin is safer then alcohol. Maybe if you are rat in a lab and everything is done in perfect conditions, but in real life I would have no problem giving my kid a sip of beer, but he sure as fuck is not gonna be anywhere near heroin.
In theory, legalization sounds like rainbows and butterflies. No more drug dealers, no more addicts being arrested, but honestly in real life scenarios one thing you need to understand is that people are generally not so smart and if you give them really easy access to a wide variety of drugs things go badly very very quickly. I am talking about so many stories of good kids trying some coke or heroin because it is legal and pure and sold in stores, only to have their lives consumed by the drug and then there ends up being more stealing, prostitution and other crimes. I can imagine stores getting robbed for all their hard drugs and it would not be so simple.
Decriminalize all drugs, legalize weed and maybe a couple others if the public is in favor of it and move along from there. But seriously full blown legalization is not unicorns and rainbows and butterflies like you think it would be.
I agree with what you're saying but it definitely isn't what you used to preach.
Listen, I used to fuck around a little bit and get under people's skin here for fun. I stopped doing that so that is probably why my opinions changed.
But ya man, I am an ex meth addict and honestly if a hit of meth was available five minutes away at the store my sobriety would be over in a flash. One of the things that honestly does stop me from doing it is just the shady sketch bags involved in the stuff. Not for me. 
um, that's just fucking ignorant because no one abused alcohol after the government caved and legalized - or all those legally prescribed pills because once something is legal the taboo goes away and it's not cool or edgy anymore so that's not even, like, a valid argument - and if we legalize drugs all our problems are basically guaranteed to fuck off, duh. It's just ignorant to think that there's any kind of downside to drugs, let alone legal drugs. fucking fascist. Get out of here with your logic.

but in all seriousness, I just thought you enjoyed rustling jimmies and was surprised everyone was taking the bait so easily and getting all worked up just because someone presented an idea they didn't agree with. it was kind of funny.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#22114279 - 08/19/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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BC is a pretty good troll. I'll give him that.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
#22114313 - 08/19/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look when I say I became enlightened I mean I have a higher sense of everything. I generally feel happy with everything including myself but society is the only thing I'm mad at. I'm not saying I'm a buddah and I'm better than everyone cause I reach this state but I'm legitimately happy. Also if being enlightened means that I have to be accepting towards society then being enlightened is no different than being ignorant because after all ignorance is bliss. I can't just look at a pile of shit and smile I'm gonna say "Hey that doesn't have to be here" and do something.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nicechrisman]
#22114320 - 08/19/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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well i think op really is enlightened and i'm standing by that.
who are we to tell him he is not, maybe we are the ones who are not enlightened.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22114322 - 08/19/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some say we all are and the clarity of it is just obscured by our delusions.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nicechrisman]
#22114330 - 08/19/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i agree with that logic.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22114340 - 08/19/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LiquidVisions said: Look when I say I became enlightened I mean I have a higher sense of everything. I generally feel happy with everything including myself but society is the only thing I'm mad at. I'm not saying I'm a buddah and I'm better than everyone cause I reach this state but I'm legitimately happy. Also if being enlightened means that I have to be accepting towards society then being enlightened is no different than being ignorant because after all ignorance is bliss. I can't just look at a pile of shit and smile I'm gonna say "Hey that doesn't have to be here" and do something.
word, sorry for assuming. I'm way too familiar with too many pretentious fucks, it makes me a bit jaded stuff sometimes.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
#22114409 - 08/19/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlightenment is such a shitty term that has so many different meanings. Honestly people getting enlightenment from taking a drug is pure bullshit.
One of the things I learnt when I went to rehab was this: we are powerless over drugs, we do not know everything, we need help and people to support us and we cannot do this alone. You are surrendering in a way and it is a beautiful process. This is a stark contrast in comparison to what people learn from tripping. They suddenly think they know everything, they are enlightened, they know how to make the world a better place and basically it is everyone else's fault we are in the place we are.
It is honestly the most egocentric way to view the world I have ever seen. People say they are open minded but in reality their idea of open mindedness only adheres to certain ideas and opinions. Maybe open minded to you is having all drugs legal, meaning everyone else who thinks that is a shitty way to go about things is somehow close minded.
Also, if you are enlightened and I am not, that honestly puts you on a pedestal above everyone else. If there is such a thing as enlightenment, you sure as fuck would not become enlightened from one drug trip. Those buddah dudes practice years and years and years to get to that point and by the time they get there they are usually older and have life experience.
Enlightenment achieved through drug use is pretty much delusional and misguided. I think people who call themselves enlightened are usually full of shit and I have no problem calling them the fuck out.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22114480 - 08/19/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Enlightenment is such a shitty term that has so many different meanings. Honestly people getting enlightenment from taking a drug is pure bullshit.
One of the things I learnt when I went to rehab was this: we are powerless over drugs, we do not know everything, we need help and people to support us and we cannot do this alone. You are surrendering in a way and it is a beautiful process. This is a stark contrast in comparison to what people learn from tripping. They suddenly think they know everything, they are enlightened, they know how to make the world a better place and basically it is everyone else's fault we are in the place we are.
It is honestly the most egocentric way to view the world I have ever seen. People say they are open minded but in reality their idea of open mindedness only adheres to certain ideas and opinions. Maybe open minded to you is having all drugs legal, meaning everyone else who thinks that is a shitty way to go about things is somehow close minded.
Also, if you are enlightened and I am not, that honestly puts you on a pedestal above everyone else. If there is such a thing as enlightenment, you sure as fuck would not become enlightened from one drug trip. Those buddah dudes practice years and years and years to get to that point and by the time they get there they are usually older and have life experience.
Enlightenment achieved through drug use is pretty much delusional and misguided. I think people who call themselves enlightened are usually full of shit and I have no problem calling them the fuck out.
I respectfully yet entirely disagree. I don't know if i'm enlightened or not but psychedelic trips have easily made me a better person whom I wouldn't be right now if not for those experiences. Also, I firmly believe during my lifetime there will be a recrudescence of psychedelic revolution.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: caman] 1
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I think powerful experiences have the power to transform us as people. I can't think of many experiences that are much more powerful than psychedelics.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
#22114499 - 08/19/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: I sort of felt like the Unicorn in The Last Unicorn when she gets trapped in a human body because of a witch.
Is that a movie or book
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Sheekle]
#22114512 - 08/19/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I saw the Title of this Post and knew first thing someone would tell this niga that hes not enlightened.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22114588 - 08/19/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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op be the change you wanna see thats all you can do stop eating meat, that will help first and foremost
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: MajickMuffin]
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if being enlightened means that I have to be accepting towards society then being enlightened is no different than being ignorant
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Sheekle]
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pirate-blues said: I sort of felt like the Unicorn in The Last Unicorn when she gets trapped in a human body because of a witch.
Is that a movie or book
it's a cartoon movie from the early '80's,and it's actually pretty interesting and is regarded as a pretty high quality children's movie. Anyone(well..a lot of little girls) who had a mom who grew up in the '70's or around then that was really into lord of the rings and the hobbit and stuff has probably seen it. It's on netflix, you should watch it, so at least one person in this thread understands that reference and I don't feel alone.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#22114841 - 08/19/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Really tho, enlightenment doesn't exist. Good luck finding a society that doesn't have a history with blood on their hands. The REALLY 'enlightened' person understands that people work together to survive. This leads to society. If you don't like how society is, you have a duty to help change it or shut up. "Oh, I'm so enlightened! I judge people who eat at the place I serve food! I wish I could control everyone and everything! I SHOULD BE GOD! WAH WAH WAH etc..."

Well this got me pissed. I don't judge the people I serve but how can I continue to contribute to obesity? Its not the people themselves but this idea of consumerism is what disgusts me. We are willing to cause harm to our life in exchange for convenience and thats what bothers me.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22114861 - 08/19/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: Where did op go?...I think y'all scared him off. Some pretty harsh comments guys....op is just having a little awakening about the way things really work and it disgusts him...He's young and impressionable and feels like he's been lied to.
Psychedelics opened his eyes and he compares this to enlightenment.Misguided as that may be, He needs to harness this and apply it to his actions...not just his words.
I mean...I am 55 yrs. old and I have always loved nature...but, after a couple mushroom trips in nature, I realized that X 100. I never felt so connected to it and also so demoralized by what mankind is doing to it. So...I take a stand in my community when the zoning people are trying to build another warehouse next to my favorite trout stream....or when politicos blindly say that the earth is not warming at a alarming rate...I take a stand...pass on factual data to friends that are on the fence. These are just a couple small examples...but, my point is that psychedelics can point us in the right direction.
Op just needs some time to rationalize his new thought process. 
I was at work now I have some catching up to do. I wrote this on my break.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: morrowasted]
#22114890 - 08/20/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: When was the last time you did some community service, OP? I am guessing it has been a long time.
Well thats irrelevant. However I service people who need help every time I see the opportunity. I don't want to be egotistic and talk about it but I do. Also community service isn't gonna change a damn thing what we need is revolution. GLOBAL REVOLUTION! We just need to create a different and hopefully sustainable way of doing things which is what I try to achieve. I am a political activist, I don't pick up trash from the side of a highway.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: saenchai]
#22114900 - 08/20/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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saenchai said: I have to agree that enlightenment as a concept is not useful and is an ego trap.
I don't think the op was trying to be egotistical, I think he didn't have any other words or concepts to describe and relate what he is feeling which is in stark opposition to the way the world can seem.
He could just as easily have said I feel unfulfilled with my life as it is currently, confused what to choose now, and disagree with how we live as a species. Isn't that a very clear and even necessary observation for a healthy, relatively young human being to make in a world where the masses are socially engineered, killed, and controlled like soulless cattle to serve the needs of a political elite?
The world doesnt need to be perfect but it can be a lot better than that lol. We don't have to set the bar so low
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
#22114917 - 08/20/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well thank you but I we're supposed to eat meat. Meat gives us 12 or so of the 22 amino acids necessary for life. How ever we do have an unfair advantage on animals. The mass production of meat is horrid. Animals being born to guaranteed slaughter isn't right in my eyes.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22114923 - 08/20/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I honestly never even read OP's post. But to say that you are enlightened and can't stand living in society is a bullshit statement. Go live in a slum in India then start talking shit about society but until then you need to show
GRATITUDE
All these complaints you enlightened people have about society are first world problems. Listen, we have nice roads, we have vehicules, you can get a cup of cold water in thirty seconds if you want it, most people get along well, most people have the oppertunity to make money and do what makes them happy while still being independent.
If I were into tripping still I would go at it at a completely different angle. I think the fact we can pack millions of people into a city and have everything working together as a unit is actually a giant accomplishment. We have buses that always show up at the same place at the same time, we can have anything we want delivered pretty much overnight, you can get anything you want with money so long as you work for it.
The fact that people are complaining about money and it being the source of evil can GTFO. I think money motivates people to work hard and that is what society needs to actually work. Not a bunch of hippies with a sense of entitlement and complaining and wishing we could just base our society off of good will and love instead of money. Not gonna fucking happen.
I think we are in a really good place and people take it for granted. Things can get better, and they always will need to be better. That is what is great about people they are always working to move forward and not backwards. But some of these hippy snobs that are all bark and no bite and have a lot to say but often never do anything about it are the absolute WORST. Get over yourselves, your drugs are cool but stop putting them on the pedastal and acting like they are the source of all good. You can learn any of those lessons without drugs and the enlightenment you get from taking these drugs is just a bullshit rationalization to continue to get high.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22114952 - 08/20/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you support this if you eat meat. leading scientific studies show otherwise meat destroys this planet more than cars do leads to all kinds of fucked up problems deforestation, drought, methane production, holocaust of sentient beings, high levels of disease in humans look up diseases of affluence plants have all the protein we need
you are jaded with society yet you eat and think we are supposed to eat meat.
stopping eating meat is one of the most crucial things you can do for change right now, 3 meals+ a day
edit: you also mentioned slaughter in your op, humans have been killing each other since the inception
fat people is what you are having such angst about?
laziness? America has much more rigid work routines than many other developed countries
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
#22114964 - 08/20/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: you support this if you eat meat. leading scientific studies show otherwise meat destroys this planet more than cars do leads to all kinds of fucked up problems deforestation, drought, methane production, holocaust of sentient beings, high levels of disease in humans look up diseases of affluence plants have all the protein we need
you are jaded with society yet you eat and think we are supposed to eat meat.
stopping eating meat is one of the most crucial things you can do for change right now, 3 meals+ a day

I like meat so you can suck a fat one.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#22114975 - 08/20/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you're not the one jaded with society
your personal pleasure doesn't change the facts
society would and the world would be a much better place if we stopped eating meat
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
#22114985 - 08/20/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: you're not the one jaded with society
your personal pleasure doesn't change the facts
society would and the world would be a much better place if we stopped eating meat
That's your personal choice to not eat meat. Now stop telling everyone what to do.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#22114990 - 08/20/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I am going to have to disagree with you there. My statement is an expression of what I am feeling therefore you have no right to call it bullshit. I will say that I am not enlightened in a way that people think. I am no dali lama or buddah or what ever. What I mean when I say I am enlightened is that I can't stare at a tree without smiling. I can't look up into the sky without amazement. I can't look at the life I am experiencing and think that its not fantastic. I can't look at my friends and family without pure love. Now I've always believed that this is true enlightenment to be so joyful of the life you have. I have achieved this type of enlightenment( or what ever you want to call it) not by being high but by realizing things under the influence of psychedelic drugs. I've realized so much and with the realizations came the active changes that I have applied to myself and this lead to my legitimate happiness. It's like taking useful advice from someone wise and trying it out so to just dismiss the fact that psychedelics are significant when it comes to this is bullshit. Also the way you think is the way of a completely conformed capitalist. I feel like I covered enough with you and if you want to get into politics let me know because I am a socialist and would be happy to share some ideas with you.
Edit: Also I have never bought the people that claim to be enlightened in the way that everyone imagines. The priests,the rabbis,the monks etc.. I feel like all these people are running away from themselves by labeling and convincing them selves that they are one with god and/or the world which I am not claiming.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22114993 - 08/20/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds pretty awesome to me
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22115000 - 08/20/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: you're not the one jaded with society
your personal pleasure doesn't change the facts
society would and the world would be a much better place if we stopped eating meat
That's your personal choice to not eat meat. Now stop telling everyone what to do.
it's a personal choice to eat a dog or a child too
im telling everyone how to improve society he can't stand living in society, 2 of his complaints in the op were slaughter and fat people both meat related
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
#22115009 - 08/20/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Human beings are omnivores we have wisdom teeth in order to chew hard foods like leaves..roots..nuts....and meat. The mass production of meat is awful and I agree but as for the disease thing...wouldn't that be in conjunction with everything else we do in western society? It's pretty hard to say that meat itself causes the disease meanwhile we clean our houses with man made chemicals and inhale gas fumes all day. Its more than meat consumption that leads to this issues.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nicechrisman]
#22115018 - 08/20/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Sounds pretty awesome to me
Thanks man
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22115021 - 08/20/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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want some respected sources on why heart disease one of the leading killers is so prevalent in america and even australia? want sources on cancer related to meat production?
longest living cultures in the world eat little meat
you still contribute to mass production of meat though, i thought you were all about love and creating a better society?
take a gander at our teeth

go kill and bite into a freshly killed rabbit and tell me how well our teeth work
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
#22115030 - 08/20/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll look into it im not going to dismiss your what you are saying. I am definitely not gonna bite into a rabbit, I have a pet one and I don't even let him stay in his cage. I love that little guy.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22115039 - 08/20/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i have had similar thoughts from psychs but being jaded for me wasn't positive i have to function in society or live in the woods alone which would suck balls i try to keep with an attitude of gratitude humans are pretty fucked where ever you go i simply try to be the change
we are all ruled by sex greed and fear
but we have the capacity for good
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
#22115052 - 08/20/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: want some respected sources on why heart disease one of the leading killers is so prevalent in america and even australia? want sources on cancer related to meat production?
longest living cultures in the world eat little meat
you still contribute to mass production of meat though, i thought you were all about love and creating a better society?
take a gander at our teeth

go kill and bite into a freshly killed rabbit and tell me how well our teeth work
This is hippy propaganda. You can eat salad for every meal of the day, but boy oh boy this bitter cactus enjoys the fuck out of a greasy hamburger every once in a while. Honestly if I couldn't eat meat for the rest of the life I would blow my brains out.
I LOVE THE TASTE OF MEAT. It is so god damn delicious I try to eat meat for every meal of the day besides breakfast, but even then adding some bacon to my breakfast makes it so much better.
I love stake, I love pork chops, I love hamburger, I love bancon.
Life without meat is not a life I would want to live. I don't know how vegetarians can live without a legit source of protein. My sis is mostly vegetarian and has to eat tha disgusting tofu shit and make shakes all the time just to have an adequate amount of protein and b vitamins to survive. Honestly fuck the hippy vegetarian wombo jombo and stick it up your you know what.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#22115066 - 08/20/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ur not bout the greater good its hardly hippie bs i wear a suit and tie brah
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
#22115971 - 08/20/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Heart disease and cancer are major killers because we live to a much older age. We didn't evolve to live much past 30. Too many cell reproductions cause DNA fatigue and the heart just wears out over time. It's just a muscle and so are your arteries. Do you realize how horrible animal deaths are in nature? Ever see a video of a bunch of lions eating the guts of a still alive wildebeest? I have. They live their lives in constant fear of predation and starvation. Farm animals don't. They are fed and killed swiftly.
Community service? Here's my community service. Two grand a month in property taxes.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nicechrisman]
#22116191 - 08/20/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Some say we all are and the clarity of it is just obscured by our delusions.
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Man do I feel that way when I'm coming down, talking to sober people.... I can see the awareness of truth in their face and then watch them swallow it down to play the ignorance/delusion game. Like they don't think they deserve to function from there or are so used to their daily "ho hum" character and/or their self-imposed limitations...

Still; divine.
Maybe these games have been necessary or useful up to this point. But I have been feeling the Apocalypse; the ongoing revealing.
What do we care to create from here?
OP: Maybe consider asserting your sovereignty to step out from standing under/upholding the government corporations. That's one of the best ways I can see to both physical freedom and bettering the world.
I like the work of Robert Menard (and the Freeman Society): "Your rights end where my nose begins".
"The true test of a free society is the freedom to leave."
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: flickedbic]
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everybody here has valid inputs
I really njoyed reading this thread.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22116638 - 08/20/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: When was the last time you did some community service, OP? I am guessing it has been a long time.
Well thats irrelevant. However I service people who need help every time I see the opportunity. I don't want to be egotistic and talk about it but I do. Also community service isn't gonna change a damn thing what we need is revolution. GLOBAL REVOLUTION! We just need to create a different and hopefully sustainable way of doing things which is what I try to achieve. I am a political activist, I don't pick up trash from the side of a highway.
If everyone did community service, government and politics would be unnecessary and irrelevant.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22116686 - 08/20/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LiquidVisions said: Well I am going to have to disagree with you there. My statement is an expression of what I am feeling therefore you have no right to call it bullshit. I will say that I am not enlightened in a way that people think. I am no dali lama or buddah or what ever. What I mean when I say I am enlightened is that I can't stare at a tree without smiling. I can't look up into the sky without amazement. I can't look at the life I am experiencing and think that its not fantastic. I can't look at my friends and family without pure love. Now I've always believed that this is true enlightenment to be so joyful of the life you have. I have achieved this type of enlightenment( or what ever you want to call it) not by being high but by realizing things under the influence of psychedelic drugs. I've realized so much and with the realizations came the active changes that I have applied to myself and this lead to my legitimate happiness. It's like taking useful advice from someone wise and trying it out so to just dismiss the fact that psychedelics are significant when it comes to this is bullshit. Also the way you think is the way of a completely conformed capitalist. I feel like I covered enough with you and if you want to get into politics let me know because I am a socialist and would be happy to share some ideas with you.
Edit: Also I have never bought the people that claim to be enlightened in the way that everyone imagines. The priests,the rabbis,the monks etc.. I feel like all these people are running away from themselves by labeling and convincing them selves that they are one with god and/or the world which I am not claiming.
The fact you see things that way makes you much more enlightened than most of the other people on the board. So don't care what other people think. Also what you said about conformity is true. I did kundalini meditation for 5 years and I withdrew from society by doing so, now that I have enlightened and empowered myself I have to go back to doing basic physical exercises like running so I can re-adjust and re-enter society.
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#22117233 - 08/20/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ur not bout the greater good its hardly hippie bs i wear a suit and tie brah
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LiquidVisions said: Hey everyone after my last few trips I've learned so much about the actual world and the universe itself. I've been generally happier with the simple things in life but can't stand society. It is gross and unnatural I just can't be a part of it. I want to quit my job and focus on my creative work I want to just say fuck this and live in a country that want built by the slaughter of natural people and slavery. It pisses me off so much and the vicious cycle just continues. The oppression the sadness the overall lazy species that we have become due to western influence is just pissing me off. I work in service and can't stand to see obese people ordering extra white rice and pork with all their meals. What should I do? I can't conform anymore.
I will take a lot of time to make myeslf clear with this post. I can relate to you as a person quite a bit
But first off, what is clearly present is the "I'm different than everyone" type of stuff. You look around you and you feel so incredibly dissatisfied with the endless debauchery and premarital sex you see around you. I viewed people's lives and wondered how anyone can be happy continuing thier existence having such an unfullfilled existence. I have been there
You just want the whole world to drop acid and realize what you are experiecing
You tripped on shrooms a few times and you have had a strong shift in perception. And I am very happy for you. But generally the best way to start changing the world is by working on yourself. Thats the conclusion I came to at least. Telling others that you are better than them makes you come off as preachy and annoying. Although you mean well, it is not tolerated well by others
So instead I suggest a few things: Try and take on a different outlook. More along the lines of "I want to use the rest of my life trying to have others experience what I experience. This beauty is too amazing" In addition, I would say meditation has helped me immensely. When I was in the phase that you currently in, meditation took me to a whole new level. I began LIVE what I believed in. I began to also learn to live in day to day society despite my disgust with it. I also began to live life as a hippie at heart, but on the outside going through the motions. By reading and meditating for an hour a day, the past 2 years have been wonderful for me. I am able to live that middle ground between complete hippie and corporate bitch
I go to school/work, do my duty, and in my free time I spend time reading, journaling, meditating, working out, tripping, and being thankful for life. I feel that by doing this, by SHOWING people that there's more to life than social networks, raves, parties, and debauchery, I have helped at least 1-2 people improve their lives. Its not that I am "special". Its just that I have stumbled across a set of ideas that could greatly improve people's lives. And I like the idea of spreading it
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