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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
    #22114322 - 08/19/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Some say we all are and the clarity of it is just obscured by our delusions.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22114330 - 08/19/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i agree with that logic.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22114340 - 08/19/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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LiquidVisions said:
Look when I say I became enlightened I mean I have a higher sense of everything. I generally feel happy with everything including myself but society is the only thing I'm mad at. I'm not saying I'm a buddah and I'm better than everyone cause I reach this state but I'm legitimately happy. Also if being enlightened means that I have to be accepting towards society then being enlightened is no different than being ignorant because after all ignorance is bliss. I can't just look at a pile of shit and smile I'm gonna say "Hey that doesn't have to be here" and do something.





word, sorry for assuming.
I'm way too familiar with too many pretentious fucks, it makes me a bit jaded stuff sometimes.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22114409 - 08/19/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Enlightenment is such a shitty term that has so many different meanings. Honestly people getting enlightenment from taking a drug is pure bullshit.

One of the things I learnt when I went to rehab was this: we are powerless over drugs, we do not know everything, we need help and people to support us and we cannot do this alone. You are surrendering in a way and it is a beautiful process. This is a stark contrast in comparison to what people learn from tripping. They suddenly think they know everything, they are enlightened, they know how to make the world a better place and basically it is everyone else's fault we are in the place we are.

It is honestly the most egocentric way to view the world I have ever seen. People say they are open minded but in reality their idea of open mindedness only adheres to certain ideas and opinions. Maybe open minded to you is having all drugs legal, meaning everyone else who thinks that is a shitty way to go about things is somehow close minded.


Also, if you are enlightened and I am not, that honestly puts you on a pedestal above everyone else. If there is such a thing as enlightenment, you sure as fuck would not become enlightened from one drug trip. Those buddah dudes practice years and years and years to get to that point and by the time they get there they are usually older and have life experience.

Enlightenment achieved through drug use is pretty much delusional and misguided. I think people who call themselves enlightened are usually full of shit and I have no problem calling them the fuck out.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22114480 - 08/19/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Enlightenment is such a shitty term that has so many different meanings. Honestly people getting enlightenment from taking a drug is pure bullshit.

One of the things I learnt when I went to rehab was this: we are powerless over drugs, we do not know everything, we need help and people to support us and we cannot do this alone. You are surrendering in a way and it is a beautiful process. This is a stark contrast in comparison to what people learn from tripping. They suddenly think they know everything, they are enlightened, they know how to make the world a better place and basically it is everyone else's fault we are in the place we are.

It is honestly the most egocentric way to view the world I have ever seen. People say they are open minded but in reality their idea of open mindedness only adheres to certain ideas and opinions. Maybe open minded to you is having all drugs legal, meaning everyone else who thinks that is a shitty way to go about things is somehow close minded.


Also, if you are enlightened and I am not, that honestly puts you on a pedestal above everyone else. If there is such a thing as enlightenment, you sure as fuck would not become enlightened from one drug trip. Those buddah dudes practice years and years and years to get to that point and by the time they get there they are usually older and have life experience.

Enlightenment achieved through drug use is pretty much delusional and misguided. I think people who call themselves enlightened are usually full of shit and I have no problem calling them the fuck out.





I respectfully yet entirely disagree. I don't know if i'm enlightened or not but psychedelic trips have easily made me a better person whom I wouldn't be right now if not for those experiences. Also, I firmly believe during my lifetime there will be a recrudescence of psychedelic revolution.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: caman] * 1
    #22114486 - 08/19/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think powerful experiences have the power to transform us as people. I can't think of many experiences that are much more powerful than psychedelics.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22114499 - 08/19/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I sort of felt like the Unicorn in The Last Unicorn when she gets trapped in a human body because of a witch.



Is that a movie or book


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Sheekle]
    #22114512 - 08/19/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I saw the Title of this Post and knew first thing someone would tell this niga that hes not enlightened. :rainingjoints:


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22114588 - 08/19/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

op be the change you wanna see thats all you can do
stop eating meat, that will help first and foremost


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22114621 - 08/19/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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if being enlightened means that I have to be accepting towards society then being enlightened is no different than being ignorant





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How ridiculous!"
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Sheekle]
    #22114627 - 08/19/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
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pirate-blues said:
I sort of felt like the Unicorn in The Last Unicorn when she gets trapped in a human body because of a witch.



Is that a movie or book





it's a cartoon movie from the early '80's,and it's actually pretty interesting and is regarded as a pretty high quality children's movie. Anyone(well..a lot of little girls) who had a mom who grew up in the '70's or around then that was really into lord of the rings and the hobbit and stuff has probably seen it.
It's on netflix, you should watch it, so at least one person in this thread understands that reference and I don't feel alone.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #22114841 - 08/19/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Really tho, enlightenment doesn't exist.  Good luck finding a society that doesn't have a history with blood on their hands.  The REALLY 'enlightened' person understands that people work together to survive.  This leads to society.  If you don't like how society is, you have a duty to help change it or shut up.  "Oh, I'm so enlightened!  I judge people who eat at the place I serve food!  I wish I could control everyone and everything!  I SHOULD BE GOD! WAH WAH WAH etc..."


:peace:



Well this got me pissed. I don't judge the people I serve but how can I continue to contribute to obesity? Its not the people themselves but this idea of consumerism is what disgusts me. We are willing to cause harm to our life in exchange for convenience and thats what bothers me.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22114861 - 08/19/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Where did op go?...I think y'all scared him off. Some pretty harsh comments guys....op is just having a little awakening about the way things really work and it disgusts him...He's young and impressionable and feels like he's been lied to.

Psychedelics opened his eyes and he compares this to enlightenment.Misguided as that may be, He needs to harness this and apply it to his actions...not just his words.

I mean...I am 55 yrs. old and I have always loved nature...but, after a couple mushroom trips in nature, I realized that X 100. I never felt so connected to it and also so demoralized by what mankind is doing to it. So...I take a stand in my community when the zoning people are trying to build another warehouse next to my favorite trout stream....or when politicos blindly say that the earth is not warming at a alarming rate...I take a stand...pass on factual data to friends that are on the fence. These are just a couple small examples...but, my point is that psychedelics can point us in the right direction.

Op just needs some time to rationalize his new thought process.:sunny::peace:



I was at work now I have some catching up to do. I wrote this on my break.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: morrowasted]
    #22114890 - 08/20/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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When was the last time you did some community service, OP? I am guessing it has been a long time.



Well thats irrelevant. However I service people who need help every time I see the opportunity. I don't want to be egotistic and talk about it but I do. Also community service isn't gonna change a damn thing what we need is revolution. GLOBAL REVOLUTION! We just need to create a different and hopefully sustainable way of doing things which is what I try to achieve. I am a political activist, I don't pick up trash from the side of a highway.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: saenchai]
    #22114900 - 08/20/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I have to agree that enlightenment as a concept is not useful and is an ego trap.

I don't think the op was trying to be egotistical, I think he didn't have any other words or concepts to describe and relate what he is feeling which is in stark opposition to the way the world can seem.

He could just as easily have said I feel unfulfilled with my life as it is currently, confused what to choose now, and disagree with how we live as a species. Isn't that a very clear and even necessary observation for a healthy, relatively young human being to make in a world where the masses are socially engineered, killed, and controlled like soulless cattle to serve the needs of a political elite?

The world doesnt need to be perfect but it can be a lot better than that lol. We don't have to set the bar so low



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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
    #22114917 - 08/20/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well thank you but I we're supposed to eat meat. Meat gives us 12 or so of the 22 amino acids necessary for life. How ever we do have an unfair advantage on animals. The mass production of meat is horrid. Animals being born to guaranteed slaughter isn't right in my eyes.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22114923 - 08/20/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I honestly never even read OP's post. But to say that you are enlightened and can't stand living in society is a bullshit statement. Go live in a slum in India then start talking shit about society but until then you need to show

GRATITUDE


All these complaints you enlightened people have about society are first world problems. Listen, we have nice roads, we have vehicules, you can get a cup of cold water in thirty seconds if you want it, most people get along well, most people have the oppertunity to make money and do what makes them happy while still being independent.

If I were into tripping still I would go at it at a completely different angle. I think the fact we can pack millions of people into a city and have everything working together as a unit is actually a giant accomplishment. We have buses that always show up at the same place at the same time, we can have anything we want delivered pretty much overnight, you can get anything you want with money so long as you work for it.

The fact that people are complaining about money and it being the source of evil can GTFO. I think money motivates people to work hard and that is what society needs to actually work. Not a bunch of hippies with a sense of entitlement and complaining and wishing we could just base our society off of good will and love instead of money. Not gonna fucking happen.



I think we are in a really good place and people take it for granted. Things can get better, and they always will need to be better. That is what is great about people they are always working to move forward and not backwards. But some of these hippy snobs that are all bark and no bite and have a lot to say but often never do anything about it are the absolute WORST. Get over yourselves, your drugs are cool but stop putting them on the pedastal and acting like they are the source of all good. You can learn any of those lessons without drugs and the enlightenment you get from taking these drugs is just a bullshit rationalization to continue to get high.

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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22114952 - 08/20/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you support this if you eat meat. 
leading scientific studies show otherwise
meat destroys this planet more than cars do
leads to all kinds of fucked up problems
deforestation, drought, methane production, holocaust of sentient beings, high levels of disease in humans
look up diseases of affluence
plants have all the protein we need

you are jaded with society yet you eat and think we are supposed to eat meat.

stopping eating meat is one of the most crucial things you can do for change right now, 3 meals+ a day

edit: you also mentioned slaughter in your op, humans have been killing each other since the inception

fat people is what you are having such angst about?

laziness?
America has much more rigid work routines than many other developed countries




Edited by thelanzii (08/20/15 12:21 AM)


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
    #22114964 - 08/20/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nemmies said:
you support this if you eat meat. 
leading scientific studies show otherwise
meat destroys this planet more than cars do
leads to all kinds of fucked up problems
deforestation, drought, methane production, holocaust of sentient beings, high levels of disease in humans
look up diseases of affluence
plants have all the protein we need

you are jaded with society yet you eat and think we are supposed to eat meat.

stopping eating meat is one of the most crucial things you can do for change right now, 3 meals+ a day




:rolleyes:

I like meat so you can suck a fat one.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22114975 - 08/20/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you're not the one jaded with society

your personal pleasure doesn't change the facts

society would and the world would be a much better place if we stopped eating meat


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