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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#22113996 - 08/19/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Whatever, I think society does a pretty good job overall. We have nice buildings, we have roads, most people get along. 
Most of us have a roof over our heads, a warm meal every morning.
I think most people here are just negative nancies. At least we are not ethiopia.
You can thank money for that. It's just another part of society that we COULD truthfully do without.
Even people who hate each other more than anything are willing to work together as long as money is involved. It's not like most people have a choice either, money has become such a requirement in the modern world.
It isn't solving the root problems, which are mainly ignorance and hatred. It is simply an incentive that we are forced to meet.
There is a difference between a productive society and a successful one. The world as it is now (especially the western world) is a PRODUCTIVE one, but calling it successful is far fetched IMHO.
Whatever. 
I have no problem with money. The only other currency you could use is pretty much weed or some pussy. Honestly money is a good thing it gives you something to work for. You are just a negative nancy dude.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: Whatever, I think society does a pretty good job overall. We have nice buildings, we have roads, most people get along. 
Most of us have a roof over our heads, a warm meal every morning.
I think most people here are just negative nancies. At least we are not ethiopia.
'negative nancy' lol aren't you the guy that pretends to be a police officer and trolls about marijuana and even going so far as to advocate for drug prohibition?
our society does a pretty awesome job at fucking people's lives up in regards to the judicial system and drug possession as well.
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Prohibition is a good thing. It prevents people from having access to dangerous drugs that can ruin their lives. Prohibition makes it very difficult for me to acquire drugs like PCP, GHB, LSD ect. Even if I wanted to pick up some meth or heroin I would have to go to a really shitty part of town, deal with messed up people and risk going to jail. I have no idea how good the quality will be or if I will get shorted.
I always hear the argument "if crack were legal tomorrow, would you try it". My response to that question is "fuck yes I would". Like honestly think about it for a second. If you could go to a store and buy any drug you wanted do you think you would end up an addict?
I think prohibition is in the best interests of drug users and all people alike. It actually does make it difficult for people to access certain drugs and helps addicts in recovery not have easy access for relapse.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: 404]
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Bitter Cactus said: Whatever, I think society does a pretty good job overall. We have nice buildings, we have roads, most people get along. 
Most of us have a roof over our heads, a warm meal every morning.
I think most people here are just negative nancies. At least we are not ethiopia.
'negative nancy' lol aren't you the guy that pretends to be a police officer and trolls about marijuana and even going so far as to advocate for drug prohibition?
our society does a pretty awesome job at fucking people's lives up in regards to the judicial system and drug possession as well.
I think legalizing meth and heroin and crack is never gonna end up working out. Get over yourself. 
I believe in decriminalization of all drugs, but not full blown legalization of every drug.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
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No we couldn't. It would just resort back to bartering and we'd be back at square one.
The human race is both successful and productive, we've accomplished quite a lot in the past few thousand years.
I'm going to have to agree with cactus and say most of you take what you've been given for granted.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: MoxyOx]
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MoxyOx said: No we couldn't. It would just resort back to bartering and we'd be back at square one.
The human race is both successful and productive, we've accomplished quite a lot in the past few thousand years.
I'm going to have to agree with cactus and say most of you take what you've been given for granted.
Ya bud go form some hippy society in the woods that doesn't use money and see how long that works. Money is a motivator we need it in a capitalistic society. If you start whining about capitalism cause you think it is bad cause you had a trip that said so then this discussion is over.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22114047 - 08/19/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe in decriminalization of all drugs, but not full blown legalization of every drug.
yeah. that's definitely not the tune you were singing before. and LOL having those drugs illegal only creates a huge profit margin for the cartels and fuels their reign over the black market. you are delusional if you think making drugs illegal is a good thing.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22114058 - 08/19/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What does enlightenment mean to you OP?
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: 404]
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I believe in decriminalization of all drugs, but not full blown legalization of every drug.
yeah. that's definitely not the tune you were singing before. and LOL having those drugs illegal only creates a huge profit margin for the cartels and fuels their reign over the black market. you are delusional if you think making drugs illegal is a good thing.
Legal meth and coke would be bad news bears. Seriously. Especially places where meth is tough as fuck to find in the first place, why would you make it available in stores. Legalizing weed is fine, but going to the corner store to buy meth is just never going to happen.
If crack was legal to buy in stores tomorrow and I had like ten bucks and nothing to do, I would get a hit of crack. I think a lot of people would and it would end up being all fucked up.
Decriminalization is the best bet IMO.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22114114 - 08/19/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is like the example of posters saying here that heroin is safer then alcohol. Maybe if you are rat in a lab and everything is done in perfect conditions, but in real life I would have no problem giving my kid a sip of beer, but he sure as fuck is not gonna be anywhere near heroin.
In theory, legalization sounds like rainbows and butterflies. No more drug dealers, no more addicts being arrested, but honestly in real life scenarios one thing you need to understand is that people are generally not so smart and if you give them really easy access to a wide variety of drugs things go badly very very quickly. I am talking about so many stories of good kids trying some coke or heroin because it is legal and pure and sold in stores, only to have their lives consumed by the drug and then there ends up being more stealing, prostitution and other crimes. I can imagine stores getting robbed for all their hard drugs and it would not be so simple.
Decriminalize all drugs, legalize weed and maybe a couple others if the public is in favor of it and move along from there. But seriously full blown legalization is not unicorns and rainbows and butterflies like you think it would be.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: 404]
#22114141 - 08/19/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Really neat article, 404 I'm really intrigued by this subject, looks like I've got some new reading material for a bit.
I heard that mushrooms are akin to a "Waking dream" which is cool to ponder. I just looked up some stuff, and apparently your pre-frontal cortex, which is apart of your frontal lobe, and it's significantly inactive during REM sleep and dreams.
http://www.howsleepworks.com/dreams_how.html
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Yeah I'd imagine you'd get threshold effects. I've split a tab with a friend at a party because between us we had a dose of some sweet ass mdma, and about a gram and a half of mushrooms, so we just decided to split it and take it together and it was surprisingly effective, enough to get some visuals and feel really, really pleasantly calm and social, hard to say what was causing what other than being super synergistic. Everyone else was rolling balls and I was totally fine with being the weirdly pleasant calm person with huge pupils bringing everyone glasses of water and fruit.
I'm a savage and don't test acid unless I don't know who I'm getting it from, so while I consider an average hit to be around 100ug give or take, I don't get pissed when it ends up being less than expected, normally I'm pretty content with what I get.
But I've only recently had my mind unexpectedly blown to smithereens by one tab of acid to an extent I did not expect and ended up out in the boondocks watching Cosmos on the side of a house with a projector and a bunch of lazer lights outside at night with a bunch of people and one tab had me on the ground buried in blankets hugging myself and just feeling incapacitated while trying to take in everything I was feeling and seeing, it was so overwhelming and exhausting to experience, but it was the most meaningful and beautiful trip I've had yet. I was trying to wrap my head around going back to normal after feeling and experiencing the things I did(it helped that Cosmos legitimately looked like a 3d hologram at the time), I was changed by it for sure, but I couldn't wrap my head around coming down, going to sleep, and then going about my normal life, working the daily grind and being apart of the world. The next day I felt so weird, and not the usual post acid weird.
I sort of felt like the Unicorn in The Last Unicorn when she gets trapped in a human body because of a witch.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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If I had rulers who allowed me the means to basic sustenance: enough to keep me alive and complacent as long as im not the one starving to death, just so those people in power could use me and everybody else as human capital to nourish their narcissistic desires to lavishly rule the earth, I wouldn't be thankful to them or my diminished existence; at least at that level. It is healthy to believe that you should have the best from yourself and from the world as long as it isn't at other's expenses. Meekness in that regard is an aberration that they program into people through the media.
We don't need them. They only leech off of us at this point. They offer us nothing in terms of standard of living. Technology did that, not the people who make the rules. Speaking of technology, there are some recent inventions that would even further advance any person's accessibility to a higher standard of living which have been forcefully shelved by these people who enjoy our current dependency on this system. We can enjoy these same comforts and more for everybody if we cease to lend them legitimacy. What does drug legalization have to do with it
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
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Bitter Cactus said: This is like the example of posters saying here that heroin is safer then alcohol. Maybe if you are rat in a lab and everything is done in perfect conditions, but in real life I would have no problem giving my kid a sip of beer, but he sure as fuck is not gonna be anywhere near heroin.
In theory, legalization sounds like rainbows and butterflies. No more drug dealers, no more addicts being arrested, but honestly in real life scenarios one thing you need to understand is that people are generally not so smart and if you give them really easy access to a wide variety of drugs things go badly very very quickly. I am talking about so many stories of good kids trying some coke or heroin because it is legal and pure and sold in stores, only to have their lives consumed by the drug and then there ends up being more stealing, prostitution and other crimes. I can imagine stores getting robbed for all their hard drugs and it would not be so simple.
Decriminalize all drugs, legalize weed and maybe a couple others if the public is in favor of it and move along from there. But seriously full blown legalization is not unicorns and rainbows and butterflies like you think it would be.
I agree with what you're saying but it definitely isn't what you used to preach.
Like I said a few posts ago, the world isn't ready for laws such as drug laws to be erased because of the people who make up most of society can't handle it. They will fuck it up and then things will be illegal again. The issue is the people who make those poor choices, not the drugs themselves. That is why, again like I said, society is fucked and it pisses me off. There are those of us who can handle it (things like LEGAL drugs) and those who can't. The ones who can't are ruining it for everyone else.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#22114164 - 08/19/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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saenchai said: If I had rulers who allowed me the means to basic sustenance: enough to keep me alive and complacent as long as im not the one starving to death, just so those people in power could use me and everybody else as human capital to nourish their narcissistic desires to lavishly rule the earth, I wouldn't be thankful to them or my diminished existence; at least at that level. It is healthy to believe that you should have the best from yourself and from the world as long as it isn't at other's expenses. Meekness in that regard is an aberration that they program into people through the media.
We don't need them. They only leech off of us at this point. They offer us nothing in terms of standard of living. Technology did that, not the people who make the rules. Speaking of technology, there are some recent inventions that would even further advance any person's accessibility to a higher standard of living which have been forcefully shelved by these people who enjoy our current dependency on this system. We can enjoy these same comforts and more for everybody if we cease to lend them legitimacy. What does drug legalization have to do with it
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Bitter Cactus said: This is like the example of posters saying here that heroin is safer then alcohol. Maybe if you are rat in a lab and everything is done in perfect conditions, but in real life I would have no problem giving my kid a sip of beer, but he sure as fuck is not gonna be anywhere near heroin.
In theory, legalization sounds like rainbows and butterflies. No more drug dealers, no more addicts being arrested, but honestly in real life scenarios one thing you need to understand is that people are generally not so smart and if you give them really easy access to a wide variety of drugs things go badly very very quickly. I am talking about so many stories of good kids trying some coke or heroin because it is legal and pure and sold in stores, only to have their lives consumed by the drug and then there ends up being more stealing, prostitution and other crimes. I can imagine stores getting robbed for all their hard drugs and it would not be so simple.
Decriminalize all drugs, legalize weed and maybe a couple others if the public is in favor of it and move along from there. But seriously full blown legalization is not unicorns and rainbows and butterflies like you think it would be.
I agree with what you're saying but it definitely isn't what you used to preach.
Listen, I used to fuck around a little bit and get under people's skin here for fun. I stopped doing that so that is probably why my opinions changed.
But ya man, I am an ex meth addict and honestly if a hit of meth was available five minutes away at the store my sobriety would be over in a flash. One of the things that honestly does stop me from doing it is just the shady sketch bags involved in the stuff. Not for me.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
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Bitter Cactus said: But ya man, I am an ex meth addict and honestly if a hit of meth was available five minutes away at the store my sobriety would be over in a flash.
That's your problem.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: People who trip and say they are enlightened are such psychedelic snobs and have the biggest egoes of them all. You don't know fuck all brotha you just got high and had crazy thoughts. Get over yourself.
Yes some are like that but not all us...we grow each time we trip and need understand were all part of ONE Universe. read "the shadow people by Debbie Ford.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: superbob57] 1
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yeah I think enlightenment is relative. Sometimes we might take a bigger jump forward and be all like "wow I must be enlightened now" but if you're not careful your ego will grab hold of that shit and drag you back to where you were in the first place (or further back). Luckily it's all circles, not a line, so it's all good.
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saenchai said: If I had rulers who allowed me the means to basic sustenance: enough to keep me alive and complacent as long as im not the one starving to death, just so those people in power could use me and everybody else as human capital to nourish their narcissistic desires to lavishly rule the earth, I wouldn't be thankful to them or my diminished existence; at least at that level. It is healthy to believe that you should have the best from yourself and from the world as long as it isn't at other's expenses. Meekness in that regard is an aberration that they program into people through the media.
We don't need them. They only leech off of us at this point. They offer us nothing in terms of standard of living. Technology did that, not the people who make the rules. Speaking of technology, there are some recent inventions that would even further advance any person's accessibility to a higher standard of living which have been forcefully shelved by these people who enjoy our current dependency on this system. We can enjoy these same comforts and more for everybody if we cease to lend them legitimacy. What does drug legalization have to do with it
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Bitter Cactus said: This is like the example of posters saying here that heroin is safer then alcohol. Maybe if you are rat in a lab and everything is done in perfect conditions, but in real life I would have no problem giving my kid a sip of beer, but he sure as fuck is not gonna be anywhere near heroin.
In theory, legalization sounds like rainbows and butterflies. No more drug dealers, no more addicts being arrested, but honestly in real life scenarios one thing you need to understand is that people are generally not so smart and if you give them really easy access to a wide variety of drugs things go badly very very quickly. I am talking about so many stories of good kids trying some coke or heroin because it is legal and pure and sold in stores, only to have their lives consumed by the drug and then there ends up being more stealing, prostitution and other crimes. I can imagine stores getting robbed for all their hard drugs and it would not be so simple.
Decriminalize all drugs, legalize weed and maybe a couple others if the public is in favor of it and move along from there. But seriously full blown legalization is not unicorns and rainbows and butterflies like you think it would be.
I agree with what you're saying but it definitely isn't what you used to preach.
Listen, I used to fuck around a little bit and get under people's skin here for fun. I stopped doing that so that is probably why my opinions changed.
But ya man, I am an ex meth addict and honestly if a hit of meth was available five minutes away at the store my sobriety would be over in a flash. One of the things that honestly does stop me from doing it is just the shady sketch bags involved in the stuff. Not for me. 
um, that's just fucking ignorant because no one abused alcohol after the government caved and legalized - or all those legally prescribed pills because once something is legal the taboo goes away and it's not cool or edgy anymore so that's not even, like, a valid argument - and if we legalize drugs all our problems are basically guaranteed to fuck off, duh. It's just ignorant to think that there's any kind of downside to drugs, let alone legal drugs. fucking fascist. Get out of here with your logic.

but in all seriousness, I just thought you enjoyed rustling jimmies and was surprised everyone was taking the bait so easily and getting all worked up just because someone presented an idea they didn't agree with. it was kind of funny.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues] 1
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BC is a pretty good troll. I'll give him that.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
#22114313 - 08/19/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look when I say I became enlightened I mean I have a higher sense of everything. I generally feel happy with everything including myself but society is the only thing I'm mad at. I'm not saying I'm a buddah and I'm better than everyone cause I reach this state but I'm legitimately happy. Also if being enlightened means that I have to be accepting towards society then being enlightened is no different than being ignorant because after all ignorance is bliss. I can't just look at a pile of shit and smile I'm gonna say "Hey that doesn't have to be here" and do something.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nicechrisman]
#22114320 - 08/19/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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well i think op really is enlightened and i'm standing by that.
who are we to tell him he is not, maybe we are the ones who are not enlightened.
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