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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22113475 - 08/19/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

there is a lot of misplaced hate for psychedelics in this thread. they can and often do provide very real insights about the world and a user's own mind that may not have been possible without a dissolving or break down of mental barriers they once had.

however, i kind of agree on one thing... anyone that says they are "enlightened" usually is full of it. no one knows, and acceptance about the world around them brings true peace of mind. I wouldn't say that psychedelics can't produce this state of mind at all. Besides, even if you're tripping, the real world is still very much going on around you, your brain is just making new connections that wouldn't happen in a sober mind state.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions] * 1
    #22113495 - 08/19/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Those that say they're enlightened, are in fact not.


Regarding society, this quote sums it up for me.


"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #22113499 - 08/19/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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When I used to trip I understood the psychedelic experience for what it really is. I never thought I would be enlightened, I love the crazy thoughts and pretty colors and had epiphenies and realizations that were so real at the time, but when I tried to articulate what I thought after I realized most of it was bullshit and induced by the drug.

Psychedelics tap into this part of the brain where it gives you these crazy thoughts and ideas and make them seem real. I learnt to just enjoy the thoughts, the colours and not take the experience so damn seriously like everyone else does.






u need to eat more psychedelics



I eat more then you and I am agreeing with Bitter on this one.  You get to a point young one where you understand it is just drugs.



It's true, I once saw Doobie on 15 hits of acid going around and saying "I've got heady bunk doses, one for $85, two for $1,000" for the whole trip. He truly is not as enlightened as OP


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22113503 - 08/19/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, i havent used shrooms in about 4 or 5 years now. I definitely dont put the psychadelic experience on a pedestal.

However, I apologize. When I look outside and see people treating each other like crap when there is enough to go around for everybody, I should be apathetic to it. Thanks for showing me the errors of my ways guys.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: saenchai] * 1
    #22113510 - 08/19/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Stop hanging out with people who are bad to each other then, and just be good to people and they'll be good back. It's effortless, and feels good to everyone

Although talking shit to people when warranted is cool too


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer] * 5
    #22113562 - 08/19/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Psychedelics offer the opportunity of insight, and of a previously unexplored perspective. In the end, you(at least I) are aware of just how strange existence is - I think carl sagan said "we are the universe experiencing itself", and that is the only way I can explain how I've felt on so many trips.

That being said, my experience with people who consider themselves enlightened has made me feel that they are almost naive, sometimes arrogant.

Our brains have evolved to function in the most efficient way possible that's conducive to our success as a species, what we see is merely an adaption, not in anyway an absolute truth whatsoever. You can argue what truth really means, but you have to wonder what vastly different world other sentient creatures exist in. There is so much sensory information that we are not perceiving - including being able to see our own fucking noses when they're in our field of vision, simply because it would be inefficient for the brain to process that info.

I think that psychedelics open the floodgates when it comes to sensory info, and as a result, you get a fleeting glance of what it may be like to transcend beyond what essentially makes us human. And needless to say, when shit like that happens, preconceived notions aren't able to chain you down so easily. What we get is a glimpse outside our own brains, it makes me wonder where along the line our ancestors became self-aware, how far back, and I can't help but equate what we feel and see on psychedelics is akin to suddenly awakening to a new sort of awareness.

That being said, ime, people who have reached enlightenment as per their own declarations tend to be naive, or even arrogant. I get that what you experience on a powerful trip often puts your mind at ease and gives you more insight into what the fuck this whole existence thing is - but you're not enlightened. It makes me feel like I understand how inconsequential this body is and kin

I would call it being 'aware'. You got a glimpse. You realized that you are a blip on the radar of something much bigger beyond the constructs of your own ego, After realizing that so many absolute truths you saw before are nothing more than your brain's adaption of an infinite mystery, you don't know anything, you just know that there is so much more than you, and I, and us. You are merely aware of how little you know, and while that is an incredible tidbit of knowledge to know and hopefully it will forever make you ask new questions, ponder new things, and seek to know more.

You are changed forever, but you don't harbor any kind of privileged secret that elevates you above the rest, you are not guaranteed anything from the experience, let alone something as intangible as 'truth'.

On a more practical note, if our brain perceived the world the way it does on psychedelics all the time, we would cease to be human. And we'd probably die out, because our brains are the sole reason we are a successful species, and it evolved to behave this way for a reason. And it's still evolving. Which is really cool to think about.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22113604 - 08/19/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well said :thumbup:


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22113613 - 08/19/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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zZZz said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
Enlightenment = egotiscal douche who took 2.5 grams of mushrooms and suddenly becomes a know it all about everything.




looks like ure pretty enlightened urself aswell




Psychedelics are mental masturbation that give you all the bullshit thoughts you want and you see them as the truth. You learn a thousand times more about the world through life experiences and talking to people from different cultures and trying different things. Psychedelics give you the illusion of knowledge when in reality you know fuck all and wasted all your time tripping instead of living.

You can learn about the world and universe and shit by just reading a book. Seriously.




I think neuroscience has already confirmed that psychedelics "quiet" the brain so that reality can be perceived more directly.  So the opposite of what you're saying would be true.  But I do think that they can be a sort of trap for some people, in that they falsely interpret their experience and create a whole new "illusion of knowledge" based on that.  That's not the psychedelic's fault, that's human folly.  I'd guess that most experienced trippers went through that at some point in their history to some degree anyway.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #22113624 - 08/19/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i find it strange that people say psychedelics have nothing to offer, and it's all just colors and bullshit, but what those people dont realize is the psychedelics are powered by u and ur life experiences whether they were conscious or subconsciousness. if u didnt exist then there would be absolutely no psychedelic experience because there wouldnt be a you to experience it.

we are the psychedelics experience, these psychedelic drugs just bring out what is already within us.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22113636 - 08/19/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well said :thumbup:




im surprised you were even able to understand all that was written, u're getting better at this :cool::thumbup:


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #22113646 - 08/19/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Don't start with me ZzzZ. Try not to drool on yourself while you're typing.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22113654 - 08/19/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

dont start with me bro :whatyougonnado:

im not the dude with a riff raft avatar btw :whatyougonnado:


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22113659 - 08/19/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is what i said as well, PB :thumbup:


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
    #22113667 - 08/19/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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dont start with me bro :whatyougonnado:

im not the dude with a riff raft avatar btw :whatyougonnado:



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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22113673 - 08/19/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

When was the last time you did some community service, OP? I am guessing it has been a long time.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22113678 - 08/19/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Hobozen]
    #22113698 - 08/19/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have to agree that enlightenment as a concept is not useful and is an ego trap.

I don't think the op was trying to be egotistical, I think he didn't have any other words or concepts to describe and relate what he is feeling which is in stark opposition to the way the world can seem.

He could just as easily have said I feel unfulfilled with my life as it is currently, confused what to choose now, and disagree with how we live as a species. Isn't that a very clear and even necessary observation for a healthy, relatively young human being to make in a world where the masses are socially engineered, killed, and controlled like soulless cattle to serve the needs of a political elite?

The world doesnt need to be perfect but it can be a lot better than that lol. We don't have to set the bar so low


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Hobozen] * 2
    #22113701 - 08/19/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think neuroscience has already confirmed that psychedelics "quiet" the brain so that reality can be perceived more directly.



no.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Hobozen]
    #22113708 - 08/19/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
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zZZz said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
Enlightenment = egotiscal douche who took 2.5 grams of mushrooms and suddenly becomes a know it all about everything.




looks like ure pretty enlightened urself aswell




Psychedelics are mental masturbation that give you all the bullshit thoughts you want and you see them as the truth. You learn a thousand times more about the world through life experiences and talking to people from different cultures and trying different things. Psychedelics give you the illusion of knowledge when in reality you know fuck all and wasted all your time tripping instead of living.

You can learn about the world and universe and shit by just reading a book. Seriously.




I think neuroscience has already confirmed that psychedelics "quiet" the brain so that reality can be perceived more directly.  So the opposite of what you're saying would be true.  But I do think that they can be a sort of trap for some people, in that they falsely interpret their experience and create a whole new "illusion of knowledge" based on that.  That's not the psychedelic's fault, that's human folly.  I'd guess that most experienced trippers went through that at some point in their history to some degree anyway.



You are 100% wrong.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: morrowasted]
    #22113710 - 08/19/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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blankk said:


I think neuroscience has already confirmed that psychedelics "quiet" the brain so that reality can be perceived more directly.



no.




Psychonauts pick and choose what scientific "facts" they want to believe.

Like IMO there is zero evidence DMT is released when you are about to die. I do not believe that for a second.


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