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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22113154 - 08/19/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Humans are so successful as a species because of our ability to cooperate, organize, and form complex social structures. Society is why we've been able to do so many awesome things.





And that's something I didn't consider while posting, we're always in a perpetual tug of war with destruction and progression. I think both, without the other would actually lead to our downfall - animals that are too successful too fast end up damaging the ecosystem and in the end it eradicates said animals from whatever region they inhabited.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22113169 - 08/19/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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pirate-blues said:
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LSDreamer said:
Humans are so successful as a species because of our ability to cooperate, organize, and form complex social structures. Society is why we've been able to do so many awesome things.





And that's something I didn't consider while posting, we're always in a perpetual tug of war with destruction and progression. I think both, without the other would actually lead to our downfall - animals that are too successful too fast end up damaging the ecosystem and in the end it eradicates said animals from whatever region they inhabited.




My attitude is hey, I am one guy. Instead of worrying about this stuff I am just gonna be happy and enjoy my life since I only live once. :shrug:


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22113196 - 08/19/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just want to be happy :sad:.
It is really hard sometimes, especially because I was sheltered from violence, poverty, and general hardship until I was an adult - and then I got bombarded with it all at once, and it still phases me sometimes and I tend to read about a lot of current events, and the utter chaos that exists everywhere overwhelms me sometimes. The truth is one nasty bitch sometimes.

But down in the depths of my cold black heart, I'm an optimist, or an optimistic realist.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22113201 - 08/19/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's one of the  more interesting things he talked about, I think. He was a philosepher, and their discourse can get strange at times




Terrence Mckenna should have honestly just started his own cult.




Pretty much. Astonishing how some people take it as gospel :lol:


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22113216 - 08/19/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think people who are new to the experience see it as a form of 'enlightment' because through psychedelic experiences you can begin to read between the lines of a lot of bullshit, you can realize that maybe not everything you've been taught, or been chasing, or had instilled within you throughout life is necessarily right. You don't have to be like everyone else and by being an 'individual' you can be much closer to hitting the bullseye of what can make a decent human being, what things you may/should/could value in life, than a lot of people, and through this It'd be very easy for newer people to confuse it as a form of 'enlightenment'.

But I was more trying to point out, where does the line get drawn? I take my psychedelic experiences seriously, definitely not as a means of achieving enlightenment, because the more I've tripped the more I've realized we don't know shit, but I'm okay with that. If someone takes it seriously and doesn't view it all as just pretty colours and a dash of insanity, does that make those people a snob, in your eyes? Are they not worth your time?


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nuds]
    #22113221 - 08/19/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP you should listen to some of what this guy says about psychedelics on youtube.



You would eat everything he says up.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22113234 - 08/19/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, I agreed with almost everything you said, but don't knock Mr. Rogan :ifyoucanawe: his psych view is a little off but overall he's a great comedian and usually offers good content


Edited by SirShroomsAlott (08/19/15 05:48 PM)


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nuds] * 1
    #22113236 - 08/19/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think people who are new to the experience see it as a form of 'enlightment' because through psychedelic experiences you can begin to read between the lines of a lot of bullshit, you can realize that maybe not everything you've been taught, or been chasing, or had instilled within you throughout life is necessarily right. You don't have to be like everyone else and by being an 'individual' you can be much closer to hitting the bullseye of what can make a decent human being, what things you may/should/could value in life, than a lot of people, and through this It'd be very easy for newer people to confuse it as a form of 'enlightenment'.






a person shouldnt need psychedelics to realize those things. thats just being a rational adult


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22113238 - 08/19/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Enlightenment is just a word to bandy about when you want to feel important or smart. It is not a real thing at all.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Adolin]
    #22113252 - 08/19/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not everyone has introductions into the psychedelic world as rational adults.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Beanhead]
    #22113259 - 08/19/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Liquid, let me offer you a few ideas I've gathered that might help you organize the things you are percieving.

What you are being pointed towards by your psychedelic experiences is the natural state of your soul outside the veil of illusion/amnesia that is a part of being born on earth. You are regaining your perspective of what life is like outside of earth and are feeling your soul's response to the idea of experiencing limitation and lack. Your soul is used to living in a complete sense of abundance and creation so it is normal for you to experience what you are experiencing. Everybody does but you are connecting more to your senses now.

The higher sense that can be made out of what you are feeling is that you chose to come here and so did everybody else. Yes, this is a literal prison planet run by economic and energetic slavery and violence and realizing this can be disconcerting, but on some level, everybody is complicit in what goes on here so there are no victims.

Having said that, if you go after what your heart tells you to do with complete belief, and your heart is clearly telling you that there is more for you to do than what you are currently doing, you will be supported by the universe to complete what you came here to do. I'm not saying it will be easy but that's the game we are playing. If you continue to bring who you are into your current avatar, you will experience a sense of peace and integration that transcends anything you could possibly see or experience here. If you do anything else than that, you will experience pain and feelings of seperation for your whole life and you might resort to all sorts of things to distract yourself from this.

If you no longer wish to play on earth, don't follow the white light when you die. It's pretty nice in other places if that's what you think you want. This world is defined by polarity and has specific lessons to teach in that regard. No matter what you choose, you will be always loved, supported, and directed towards the light. In that sense, heaven can be found everywhere; even a planet which seems to be dominated by turmoil and negativity. Remember that even the darkness on this planet, as deep as it goes, is only light that has forgotten itself and is beginning to remember. Peace :smile:


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: saenchai]
    #22113270 - 08/19/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:youseethisshit:


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: saenchai] * 1
    #22113280 - 08/19/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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saenchai said:
Liquid, let me offer you a few ideas I've gathered that might help you organize the things you are percieving.

What you are being pointed towards by your psychedelic experiences is the natural state of your soul outside the veil of illusion/amnesia that is a part of being born on earth. You are regaining your perspective of what life is like outside of earth and are feeling your soul's response to the idea of experiencing limitation and lack. Your soul is used to living in a complete sense of abundance and creation so it is normal for you to experience what you are experiencing. Everybody does but you are connecting more to your senses now.

The higher sense that can be made out of what you are feeling is that you chose to come here and so did everybody else. Yes, this is a literal prison planet run by economic and energetic slavery and violence and realizing this can be disconcerting, but on some level, everybody is complicit in what goes on here so there are no victims.

Having said that, if you go after what your heart tells you to do with complete belief, and your heart is clearly telling you that there is more for you to do than what you are currently doing, you will be supported by the universe to complete what you came here to do. I'm not saying it will be easy but that's the game we are playing. If you continue to bring who you are into your current avatar, you will experience a sense of peace and integration that transcends anything you could possibly see or experience here. If you do anything else than that, you will experience pain and feelings of seperation for your whole life and you might resort to all sorts of things to distract yourself from this.

If you no longer wish to play on earth, don't follow the white light when you die. It's pretty nice in other places if that's what you think you want. This world is defined by polarity and has specific lessons to teach in that regard. No matter what you choose, you will be always loved, supported, and directed towards the light. In that sense, heaven can be found everywhere; even a planet which seems to be dominated by turmoil and negativity. Remember that even the darkness on this planet, as deep as it goes, is only light that has forgotten itself and is beginning to remember. Peace :smile:




You must be one of those guys that really likes the sound of his own voice.

Some psychedelic induced rambles are no better then the ramble of a psychotic schizophrenic.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nuds]
    #22113301 - 08/19/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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nuds said:
I think people who are new to the experience see it as a form of 'enlightment' because through psychedelic experiences you can begin to read between the lines of a lot of bullshit, you can realize that maybe not everything you've been taught, or been chasing, or had instilled within you throughout life is necessarily right. You don't have to be like everyone else and by being an 'individual' you can be much closer to hitting the bullseye of what can make a decent human being, what things you may/should/could value in life, than a lot of people, and through this It'd be very easy for newer people to confuse it as a form of 'enlightenment'.

But I was more trying to point out, where does the line get drawn? I take my psychedelic experiences seriously, definitely not as a means of achieving enlightenment, because the more I've tripped the more I've realized we don't know shit, but I'm okay with that. If someone takes it seriously and doesn't view it all as just pretty colours and a dash of insanity, does that make those people a snob, in your eyes? Are they not worth your time?




When people first take psychedelics they feel like they're "enlightened" of one of any number of other forms of being SUPER into their experiences and being convinced they're WAY more meaningful, important, and impactful than they actually are. I believe this can be attributed to psychedelics' ability to artificially induce the emotion of "understanding", and do so to a far higher intensity than you'll encounter in day to day life. I strongly suspect this to be caused in just as direct fashion as the rest of their effects. Whatever network in the brain turns on to let you know you understand something is stimulated by psychedelics, producing profound feelings of understanding, learning, and knowledge. It's a very interesting and pleasurable feeling. However, most people when they take psychedelics at first are unable to recognize that this is a direct effect of the drug. They get the causation backwards, and believe that it was what they were experiencing as a result of the psychedelics caused it. Some people get past that, some people don't.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22113306 - 08/19/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Psychedelics are just another class of drug. Stop putting psychedelics on a pedestal. They are great but so are a lot of things. :shrug:


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22113322 - 08/19/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Psychedelics are just another class of drug. Stop putting psychedelics on a pedestal. They are great but so are a lot of things. :shrug:




We're you talking to me? I, in no way, put them on a pedastal.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22113348 - 08/19/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Bitter Cactus said:
Quote:

saenchai said:
Liquid, let me offer you a few ideas I've gathered that might help you organize the things you are percieving.

What you are being pointed towards by your psychedelic experiences is the natural state of your soul outside the veil of illusion/amnesia that is a part of being born on earth. You are regaining your perspective of what life is like outside of earth and are feeling your soul's response to the idea of experiencing limitation and lack. Your soul is used to living in a complete sense of abundance and creation so it is normal for you to experience what you are experiencing. Everybody does but you are connecting more to your senses now.

The higher sense that can be made out of what you are feeling is that you chose to come here and so did everybody else. Yes, this is a literal prison planet run by economic and energetic slavery and violence and realizing this can be disconcerting, but on some level, everybody is complicit in what goes on here so there are no victims.

Having said that, if you go after what your heart tells you to do with complete belief, and your heart is clearly telling you that there is more for you to do than what you are currently doing, you will be supported by the universe to complete what you came here to do. I'm not saying it will be easy but that's the game we are playing. If you continue to bring who you are into your current avatar, you will experience a sense of peace and integration that transcends anything you could possibly see or experience here. If you do anything else than that, you will experience pain and feelings of seperation for your whole life and you might resort to all sorts of things to distract yourself from this.

If you no longer wish to play on earth, don't follow the white light when you die. It's pretty nice in other places if that's what you think you want. This world is defined by polarity and has specific lessons to teach in that regard. No matter what you choose, you will be always loved, supported, and directed towards the light. In that sense, heaven can be found everywhere; even a planet which seems to be dominated by turmoil and negativity. Remember that even the darkness on this planet, as deep as it goes, is only light that has forgotten itself and is beginning to remember. Peace :smile:




You must be one of those guys that really likes the sound of his own voice.

Some psychedelic induced rambles are no better then the ramble of a psychotic schizophrenic.



Seriously what a bunch of hippie word vomit


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22113384 - 08/19/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Psychedelic world rambles = mental masturbation. All those rambles end up doing is make you feel like you are smart even though they make zero sense 99 percent of the time.


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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22113431 - 08/19/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Psychedelic world rants = ego masturbation. All those rants end up doing is make you feel like you are superior even though they make you look like a fool 99 percent of the time.




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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22113448 - 08/19/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, u have a couple choices.

Move out into the country for the "simple" life, such aas living on a farm.

Or two, move to a third world country like cambodia where people live simple, basic lives.

Could be what u need :shrug:


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