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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz] 1
#22112907 - 08/19/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do agree that psychedelics can definitely alter your perception in a way that can give a dramatic change as that was the case with me, but at the same time I have seen a lot of people where it did the opposite and strengthened their egos, I'd even go as far to say that more often than not this is the case, but I think it strongly depends on the individual.
They can help people, they can make other people worse , but IMO they don't cause enlightenment, they can enlighten you on certain things, and IME those things generally only relate to yourself.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: thelanzii]
#22112910 - 08/19/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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what about the peeps who dont take psyches, it has probably been years since he's taken psyches yet he's ego is just as big as the op's
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#22112919 - 08/19/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: When I used to trip I understood the psychedelic experience for what it really is. I never thought I would be enlightened, I love the crazy thoughts and pretty colors and had epiphenies and realizations that were so real at the time, but when I tried to articulate what I thought after I realized most of it was bullshit and induced by the drug.
Psychedelics tap into this part of the brain where it gives you these crazy thoughts and ideas and make them seem real. I learnt to just enjoy the thoughts, the colours and not take the experience so damn seriously like everyone else does.
u need to eat more psychedelics
I eat more then you and I am agreeing with Bitter on this one. You get to a point young one where you understand it is just drugs.
u eat mostly acid tho. come back when u take some real natural psychedelics like mushrooms.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22112922 - 08/19/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I consider enlightenment something that takes a ton of work if it does exist. Not some 16 year old ordering a vial of 2ce off the internet and overdosing and calling himself the messiah.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22112924 - 08/19/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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enlightment in the buddhist sense of the word, does not come from drugs
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22112926 - 08/19/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've eaten over a pound of shrooms in my time. 5gs is my go to dose, eaten 7g a couple times.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22112928 - 08/19/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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2ce is bad news. i dont disagree with u there.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22112935 - 08/19/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Natural, unnatural, it makes no difference. Are you a mushroom snob that thinks only mushrooms enlighten you because they grow from the ground?
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#22112936 - 08/19/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Doobie Dude said: I've eaten over a pound of shrooms in my time. 5gs is my go to dose, eaten 7g a couple times.
well yea when abuse them that much they start to fuck with u
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 3
#22112965 - 08/19/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm confused, are you saying there's not anything to the psychedelic experience but pretty colours and crazy thoughts? Are you also saying that if you met a real down to earth dude who referred to his psychedelics as things he learns and gains insight from. , you'd try your best to make him feel a fool because the way he uses it isn't in line with how you believe they should be used?
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#22112991 - 08/19/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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He had a few theories that I think were somewhat tounge in cheek, especially the timewave zero thing. I dont get the same vibe as you. He seemed pretty nice, and wanted people to create art and find ideas. Like I said, phylisophical discourse is less rogid then scientific discourse.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22112996 - 08/19/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Doobie Dude said: I've eaten over a pound of shrooms in my time. 5gs is my go to dose, eaten 7g a couple times.
well yea when abuse them that much they start to fuck with u
Oh so now that I beat you on the dumb idea of what to eat and shit NOW it is me abusing them you are really unintelligent
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22113006 - 08/19/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zZZz said: all language and science we have today came from psychedelics. falling in love is so played out, and dont even get my started on raising kids.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: nuds] 1
#22113039 - 08/19/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where did op go?...I think y'all scared him off. Some pretty harsh comments guys....op is just having a little awakening about the way things really work and it disgusts him...He's young and impressionable and feels like he's been lied to.
Psychedelics opened his eyes and he compares this to enlightenment.Misguided as that may be, He needs to harness this and apply it to his actions...not just his words.
I mean...I am 55 yrs. old and I have always loved nature...but, after a couple mushroom trips in nature, I realized that X 100. I never felt so connected to it and also so demoralized by what mankind is doing to it. So...I take a stand in my community when the zoning people are trying to build another warehouse next to my favorite trout stream....or when politicos blindly say that the earth is not warming at a alarming rate...I take a stand...pass on factual data to friends that are on the fence. These are just a couple small examples...but, my point is that psychedelics can point us in the right direction.
Op just needs some time to rationalize his new thought process.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: zZZz]
#22113056 - 08/19/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Doobie Dude said: I've eaten over a pound of shrooms in my time. 5gs is my go to dose, eaten 7g a couple times.
well yea when abuse them that much they start to fuck with u
So, he does t thi NK like you because he does the "wrong" psychedelics. Wait, what? He's also taken plenty of mushrooms? Well, he just did it wrong. Makes sense.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer]
#22113083 - 08/19/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I remember when I first started taking psychedelics...
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer]
#22113087 - 08/19/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i just wanna build a tiny house by hand on a nice lot right next to a central market.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer] 1
#22113092 - 08/19/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't trust people who claim to be enlightened. They remind me of televangelists, and are a special kind of close minded.
You're never enlightened - the best you can do is to be someone who seeks enlightenment and knowledge, but as long as you live the process is never complete and everyone knows something that you don't. Society has a lot of downfalls, but if you can't open your eyes and see beyond that, you're missing incredibly beautiful things, the appreciation of knowledge, innovation, the quest to better ourselves, and the fact that most people at heart are simply doing what they think is best. Society isn't an entity, it isn't tangible, it's not real in the physical sense - it's an illusion that we're taught to believe - like santa claus. A lot of people break free of it and see the world outside of it, and a lot of people don't - but humans are still so much more than society.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: pirate-blues]
#22113100 - 08/19/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Humans are so successful as a species because of our ability to cooperate, organize, and form complex social structures. Society is why we've been able to do so many awesome things.
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Re: I am enlightened but can't stand living in society. [Re: LSDreamer]
#22113129 - 08/19/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is my issue with enlightenment. If you are already enlightened and you are in your teens or twenty something years old, where can you improve from there? Like seriously what is better then enlightenment?
That is basically the same thing as when you were a kid thinking you have the whole world figured out. If you are still young and think you are enlightened you are sorely fucking mistaken. There is still a ton of life experience to be gained and lessons to be learnt.
Enlightenment is complete bullshit as a concept and to say you are enlightened is the most egotistical thing you can say. I consider enlightenment a character flaw in the same realm as a delusional disorder.
If enlightenment does exist, which honestly it doesn't, it would take decades and decades of work to achieve. Not just taking a quarter ounce of mushrooms and getting really fucked up.
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Edited by Bitter Cactus (08/19/15 05:24 PM)
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