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Advice needed regarding salvia
    #22109908 - 08/19/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, just a bit of background: I've done most of the "typical" psychedelics and a few of the more bizarre one and so far I have enjoyed them all. One I have never tried is Salvia divinorum.

The reason I have never tried it is because there is such a huge negative taboo around it. Every report I read or video I watch seems to be someones horror story on salvia... Which begs the question: Why would anyone still do it? If it produces such horrible and frightening experiences why does it even exist anymore? I would expect it to just loose popularity and eventually just not be available due to no demand... But it is still available, and people still do it...Why?

I have always been intrigued by its uniqueness, but never had the courage to try it. SO, what are your experiences/opinions with it? Have you personally had a good time with it? If so, how?

And lastly, would you recommend it? Are you glad you tried it?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just really trying to put this "myth" to rest. If everyone agrees its awful and suggests not to try it ill be able to just accept its a bad drug and not try it, but it's very existence confuses me. There must be something that is keeping it around, right?


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: buddingshroomer]
    #22109951 - 08/19/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

People can have positive and negative experiences on any drug. People can freak out on weed.

Just because you read people having negative experiences on Salvia, dont assume its a negative substance


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22109985 - 08/19/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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People can have positive and negative experiences on any drug. People can freak out on weed.

Just because you read people having negative experiences on Salvia, dont assume its a negative substance



Thanks for the response :smile: I get where you are coming from completely, but you know what i mean right? There is a LOT of reports saying salvia is negative and very few reports of positive experiences. That has to mean something. It could just be that it is very strong and used irresponsibly by people who haven't done their homework :shrug:


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22109990 - 08/19/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia is definitely not for everyone. And you need to be prepared to have your view of reality and thoughts on your existence completely turned upside down. I first started with Salvia back in 2002. I did a lot of research before trying it, and wanted a spiritual experience, not just a cool trip. I became a sitter/guide for many people that I exposed to Salvia. And in creating the right setting for them, none of them had a negative experience that got them hurt, but some were not ready for what Salvia had in store for them. For 2 years, all it ever did to me was make me hot and tingly. This was with using about 6-8 times a month. I really wanted to experience some of the things my friends were telling me that they were. But one day, I finally had my break through and first OBE. After that, every time I used Salvia, I had an OBE. This is with regular leaf, no 5X, 10X, or whatever. I haven't used in almost 7 years. It was Salvia that helped me reach the decision to quit trying to escape this reality and appreciate all my life's experiences both positive and negative. Approach her with the highest level of respect.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: buddingshroomer]
    #22109999 - 08/19/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
People can have positive and negative experiences on any drug. People can freak out on weed.

Just because you read people having negative experiences on Salvia, dont assume its a negative substance



Thanks for the response :smile: I get where you are coming from completely, but you know what i mean right? There is a LOT of reports saying salvia is negative and very few reports of positive experiences. That has to mean something. It could just be that it is very strong and used irresponsibly by people who haven't done their homework :shrug:



I definately get where your coming from man and I understand why you asked what you did.
But most people simply just dont understand what the drug they take will do to them before they take it, they dont understand what to expect or how to deal with such things when it happens.

Being experienced with psychedelics and doing your research, would certainly greatly improve your chance to have a positive experience.

Ive never experienced Salvia, yet. Or DMT for that matter.
But id be able to handle it thats for sure.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: CrimsonSpectre]
    #22110014 - 08/19/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Salvia is definitely not for everyone. And you need to be prepared to have your view of reality and thoughts on your existence completely turned upside down. I first started with Salvia back in 2002. I did a lot of research before trying it, and wanted a spiritual experience, not just a cool trip. I became a sitter/guide for many people that I exposed to Salvia. And in creating the right setting for them, none of them had a negative experience that got them hurt, but some were not ready for what Salvia had in store for them. For 2 years, all it ever did to me was make me hot and tingly. This was with using about 6-8 times a month. I really wanted to experience some of the things my friends were telling me that they were. But one day, I finally had my break through and first OBE. After that, every time I used Salvia, I had an OBE. This is with regular leaf, no 5X, 10X, or whatever. I haven't used in almost 7 years. It was Salvia that helped me reach the decision to quit trying to escape this reality and appreciate all my life's experiences both positive and negative. Approach her with the highest level of respect.



Thank you, I will certainly think very carefully about my surroundings and state of mind before I try it. I don't think I'm quite there yet.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin] * 1
    #22110018 - 08/19/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But id be able to handle it thats for sure.




Possibly. One friend though approached it pretty cocky. "I've done tons of drugs, I can handle anything." With Salvia, he had the most frightening experience of his life. He was reduced to the fetal position and a constant stream of tears AFTER he "came back."

Not saying you'd have a similar experience. But it's all about mindset when starting the venture, as you know.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: buddingshroomer]
    #22110026 - 08/19/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My experiences with salvia:

(These are just the two I had already transcribed, but they are good reports none the less)


I had just obtained the salvinorin-a and went into a tunnel where I often smoke marijuana, it's an isolated place, no worries about the public or police. I loaded a fairly large bowl of the salvinorin-a infused leaf into my marijuana pipe and cashed it in a single hit...
The bricks on the wall began to form a pyramid like structure in my visual field, a rush of cold pins and needles moved over my skin as I slowly lost contact with my body and the outside world, the pyramid structure became more defined, it was an Aztec pyramid, with vines and jungle surrounding it. I looked around I saw I was surrounded by small creatures, they were shaped like upside down horse-shoes or like a lower-case letter "n", they had feet at each point of the "n" shape of their body, large black eyes, and funny little arm like appendages that were warped around a stick which was resting across their "shoulders" with a bucket full of water on either end of the stick. All these little beings were carrying these pales of water up the pyramid steps. The communicated in this squeaky high-pitch ossiclation of frequencies which were packed with telepathic significance, I followed them to the top of the pyramid, where a river was running down the back, they were all dumping their buckets f water into this river, which I jumped into, I felt wet, and blind, and as if I were falling...then I came back to baseline reality.

Another time I smoked in my friends garage, after I exhaled I saw a multicolored river pouring over the white van that was parked next to me, this river type thing began at the top of the shelf and at its mouth sat several of these whacky, goofy, constantly moving and jumping and bouncing and making noise elf type creatures, all their bodies had odd shapes, one was shaped similar to a pipe wrench, the other was several odd angles all intersecting, it's hard to describe them, but I realized they were throwing this color changing rainbow like stuff into the "river" that was pouring down the shelf over the vans windshield and roof like wind, and out the garage door, these creatures were again squeaky and load. They having their own insane party of coloring this river...
Again, very very bizzare, but not life changing or very meaningful...

Salvia can be very uncomfortable though... It's never been pleasant for me, but it's always a good show...

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22110027 - 08/19/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I definately get where your coming from man and I understand why you asked what you did.
But most people simply just dont understand what the drug they take will do to them before they take it, they dont understand what to expect or how to deal with such things when it happens.

Being experienced with psychedelics and doing your research, would certainly greatly improve your chance to have a positive experience.

Ive never experienced Salvia, yet. Or DMT for that matter.
But id be able to handle it thats for sure.



Glad we're on the same page. Yeah I feel like salvia is marketed as a legal weed alternative or something which attracts completely the wrong audience and results in a lot of unprepared and inexperienced people having their world torn apart in front of them, hence the negative reports.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22110036 - 08/19/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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My experiences with salvia:

(These are just the two I had already transcribed, but they are good reports none the less)


I had just obtained the salvinorin-a and went into a tunnel where I often smoke marijuana, it's an isolated place, no worries about the public or police. I loaded a fairly large bowl of the salvinorin-a infused leaf into my marijuana pipe and cashed it in a single hit...
The bricks on the wall began to form a pyramid like structure in my visual field, a rush of cold pins and needles moved over my skin as I slowly lost contact with my body and the outside world, the pyramid structure became more defined, it was an Aztec pyramid, with vines and jungle surrounding it. I looked around I saw I was surrounded by small creatures, they were shaped like upside down horse-shoes or like a lower-case letter "n", they had feet at each point of the "n" shape of their body, large black eyes, and funny little arm like appendages that were warped around a stick which was resting across their "shoulders" with a bucket full of water on either end of the stick. All these little beings were carrying these pales of water up the pyramid steps. The communicated in this squeaky high-pitch ossiclation of frequencies which were packed with telepathic significance, I followed them to the top of the pyramid, where a river was running down the back, they were all dumping their buckets f water into this river, which I jumped into, I felt wet, and blind, and as if I were falling...then I came back to baseline reality.

Another time I smoked in my friends garage, after I exhaled I saw a multicolored river pouring over the white van that was parked next to me, this river type thing began at the top of the shelf and at its mouth sat several of these whacky, goofy, constantly moving and jumping and bouncing and making noise elf type creatures, all their bodies had odd shapes, one was shaped similar to a pipe wrench, the other was several odd angles all intersecting, it's hard to describe them, but I realized they were throwing this color changing rainbow like stuff into the "river" that was pouring down the shelf over the vans windshield and roof like wind, and out the garage door, these creatures were again squeaky and load. They having their own insane party of coloring this river...
Again, very very bizzare, but not life changing or very meaningful...

Salvia can be very uncomfortable though... It's never been pleasant for me, but it's always a good show...

-E. Borodin



Thanks for the reports! A good read and you sound like you enjoyed it :smile: I have heard before that the pressure on your body can be uncomfortable..


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22110051 - 08/19/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would not say I enjoyed it, it was very uncomfortable, very disorienting....I was reminded of DMT, but only because you inhale, it comes on fast, your out of body more or less, then you return...Though other than that it's NOTHING like DMT...I know that may not make sense, but you will see what I mean...


Salvia introduced itself to me as "the water teacher" and all my hallucinations with the compound involve rivers...

The initial body sensation reminds me of a river of "pins and needles" rushing over my body, it even causes me to lean to the side, as if I'm in its currant...

Salvinorin-a is a kappa opioid receptor agonist,it contains no nitrogen so it's not an alkaloid or an amine, it's a diterpenoid hydrocarbon,  a very unique and bizzare compound...

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22110064 - 08/19/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

mmmm interesting. I've heard of this pins and needles rush a lot as well. Based on reports alone, salvia and DMT sound like they're worlds apart. Similar in that they produce immersive "level 5" experiences, but it sounds like the similarities end there.
(I am experienced with DMT, just not salvia)


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: buddingshroomer]
    #22110094 - 08/19/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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mmmm interesting. I've heard of this pins and needles rush a lot as well. Based on reports alone, salvia and DMT sound like they're worlds apart. Similar in that they produce immersive "level 5" experiences, but it sounds like the similarities end there.
(I am experienced with DMT, just not salvia)




They act the same, but they don't feel the same.

Meaning you inhale and before you can exhale it kicks in, it lasts about 15 minutes, and then your done, it behaves like a DMT experience, only the content and feeling of the experience are different.


If I had to pick a compound to compare it to though, it would be DMT...

The initial trip report was from a thread comparing DMT to salvia, here is the whole post:

DMT is more profound, with far deeper implications.

Salvinorin-a is a kappa opioid receptor agonist, so it comes with this prickly feeling of rushing water running over my body. With salvinorin-a I feel "fuzzed out", I don't feel I'm mentally functioning properly.
I encounter entities more often on salvinorin-A but they are often whacky, Looney-tunes cartoon like elf beings...

Here's an experience report from salvinorin-A:

I had just obtained the salvinorin-a and went into a tunnel where I often smoke marijuana, it's an isolated place, no worries about the public or police. I loaded a fairly large bowl of the salvinorin-a infused leaf into my marijuana pipe and cashed it in a single hit...
The bricks on the wall began to form a pyramid like structure in my visual field, a rush of cold pins and needles moved over my skin as I slowly lost contact with my body and the outside world, the pyramid structure became more defined, it was an Aztec pyramid, with vines and jungle surrounding it. I looked around I saw I was surrounded by small creatures, they were shaped like upside down horse-shoes or like a lower-case letter "n", they had feet at each point of the "n" shape of their body, large black eyes, and funny little arm like appendages that were warped around a stick which was resting across their "shoulders" with a bucket full of water on either end of the stick. All these little beings were carrying these pales of water up the pyramid steps. The communicated in this squeaky high-pitch ossiclation of frequencies which were packed with telepathic significance, I followed them to the top of the pyramid, where a river was running down the back, they were all dumping their buckets f water into this river, which I jumped into, I felt wet, and blind, and as if I were falling...then I came back to baseline reality.

Another time I smoked in my friends garage, after I exhaled I saw a multicolored river pouring over the white van that was parked next to me, this river type thing began at the top of the shelf and at its mouth sat several of these whacky, goofy, constantly moving and jumping and bouncing and making noise elf type creatures, all their bodies had odd shapes, one was shaped similar to a pipe wrench, the other was several odd angles all intersecting, it's hard to describe them, but I realized they were throwing this color changing rainbow like stuff into the "river" that was pouring down the shelf over the vans windshield and roof like wind, and out the garage door, these creatures were again squeaky and load. They having their own insane party of coloring this river...
Again, very very bizzare, but not life changing or very meaningful

..this is a quick description of my first DMT experience for comparison:

the first time I smoked DMT it was 200mgs yellow crystal on top of high-grade marijuana, I cleared it in a single hit. I remember feeling like I was at the bottom of a foggy mountain with dirt roads, I was overcome with an intense feeling of panic and deja-vu, I felt like a lost child, everything I knew about who I was or my life or earth seemed like a distant dream, like I dissolved out of existence, I interpreted this as dying, I knew that I was dead, and I was emotionally overwhelmed  while confronting the event of my death....I could not tell if I was breathing or not, I would take air in, but couldn't feel it, then noticed a pain in my chest, a giant mantis like being had its claws in my chest, it proceeded to tear open my chest and stomach removing all my organs and insides, I was about to go into shock when I saw a bright green light flash over my shoulder, it nearly hit me, it then became a beautiful geometric object, morphing and color changing, like a jewel from hyperspace, the mantis then put this object in my torn up body, he began to make billions of these objects, each one unique and radiating beautiful colored light ans he filled my body with them, then I was sealed up and propelled into an orange light where I was resurrected...then I felt as if I was being pushed through a membrane, I was being born....then back to reality....those who were there said in reality I curled up into a ball and began to cry for 20 minutes, I was wondering why my face was wet, because it felt like I had actually just went through being born...any way the immense deep spiritual and psychological implications of this experience left me for ever transformed, reborn as a new person entirely, it was the single most meaningful thing that has ever happened to me.

...where as with salvia, it was bizzare, and I learn from it, but it was nothing like DMT, it lacks the meaning of experience and deep implications, I smoked salvia long before I smoked DMT, my salvia experiences didn't have the effect that DMT did in Any way, so while they may both produce quick and intense psychedelia with out of body experiences and entity contact, I still feel there are some core differences which separate these compounds from one another, and in many ways they are nothing alike.

salvinorin-a was inducing bizzare, out of body type experiences, it completely lacked the transformative profound transcendental qualities of the DMT experience.

Though I still find salvinorin-a to be useful for certain types of exploration, it doesn't seem real, it's easy to accept the experience as chemically induced, you don't feel sober. While with DMT I generally feel exactly the same as I did before I broke through only the world around has been transformed, it's hard to accept DMT as a simple chemical reaction in the mind, it's real, whatever that means, DMT is very real.


Keep in mind this is just me, others may feel differently.

(I wrote the experience reports as quickly as possible to save space on the thread, in reality every experience was much more detailed, I could fill pages regarding any of these events be them DMT or salvia, I know the shorter you cut your stories the less effective they become, these experiences are very hard to translate into human language as it is, so you must be as descriptive as possible, but here was not the time or place, I hope I made the point effectively with out removing so much detail that they become in effective as examples.)

You can read others opinion regarding DMT and salvia here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21940786/page/2/fpart/all

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: CrimsonSpectre]
    #22110162 - 08/19/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But id be able to handle it thats for sure.




Possibly. One friend though approached it pretty cocky. "I've done tons of drugs, I can handle anything." With Salvia, he had the most frightening experience of his life. He was reduced to the fetal position and a constant stream of tears AFTER he "came back."

Not saying you'd have a similar experience. But it's all about mindset when starting the venture, as you know.



Oh fuck no dude I have great respect for psychedelics and their power.

Im not like, ive done a shit ton of drugs, give me that shiat FFFFFFFFFFF.

It would take me some meditation and alot of thinking and humbling before Id sit down to do it.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22110562 - 08/19/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: CrimsonSpectre]
    #22111322 - 08/19/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

From my limited experience with salvia, i can recommend starting low and upping dose gradually
This way you get used to the strange sensation that is the salvia trip and you can start to enjoy it


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: thoraxx]
    #22112960 - 08/19/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you everyone for your input. Got some really good info and opinions :smile:


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: buddingshroomer]
    #22112997 - 08/19/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Meditation and salvia are pretty important as it really demands your full respect and attention.

Quidding is more what I am into though I have ever really had much success with it. I have been on a long break from Sallie though.

I want to wait until I have managed to sober up and meditate for awhile before going back.

I love growing it though, I have many plants. Usually when I have smoked it I just feel really uncomfortable and anxious. But once I smoked a lot mixed with ganja sitting inside by a fire and saw some amazing nature visions of forest/ jungle themed abstract art and scenery. It was awesome. Only experience I have had like that though. Once I smoked some 80x in my youth with 2 friends, one of them thought he died and fell on my floor for a bit :eek:


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: buddingshroomer]
    #22113389 - 08/19/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you personally had a good time with it? If so, how?

And lastly, would you recommend it? Are you glad you tried it?





Yes I would recommend it. It can do some unique things to you.

To me, respecting the substance means: to do it in total silence, (almost) total darkness, always a sitter and no other company, rest well and eat healthy before starting, and no mixing with other substances (you can always take these afterwards).

This is all about the closed-eyed inner trip. Anything that distracts you from that is, in a sense, disrespecting the Lady S.

I could write long trip reports, but I'll keep it short today. Salvia taught me that there is a shortcut/trapdoor to heaven hidden in the right hemisphere of my brain. No, literally. It doesn't always open, but it's what I keep coming back for.

So, yes, I am glad I tried it :grin:

Oh, and do start low. Plain leaf or 5x is plenty strong for me. The one time I went too far was on 10x. I'm very careful now.

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22114053 - 08/19/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I love salvia, but don't smoke it too often. IMO, many people have bad experiences because they dose way too high. An extract is made so you have to smoke much less material, but a lot of people think more is better and just smoke 5x the amount for strong effects.

Start with only a pinch and work yourself up. Treat it like any other trip. Salvia has shown me profound things, but they are always more out there. I personally have enjoyed salvia more than DMT, but I've only tried dmt 5-6 times, and almost broken through once.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Achillita]
    #22115610 - 08/20/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's incredibly difficult to dose salvia extract because what you get is a little container full of what look like dry crumbled green leaves, these have been infused with the pure compound (the salvinorin-a is dissolved in a solvent, then the aqueous solution is placed on the plant matter and evaporated, leaving the plant matter infused with the pure compound)

This stuff is active in microgram dose, so how much is on a pinch? Who knows...

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: buddingshroomer]
    #22115766 - 08/20/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard very good things about quidding it.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22116376 - 08/20/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've heard very good things about quidding it.




Yes, so have I. And about quidding and then smoking plain leaf on the peak. Definitely on my to do list.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22116788 - 08/20/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I made an acetone salvia extract once, got a little piece of what looked lik tan semi sticky hash.

Split most of it with a friend and we each dabbed it, it was like the opposite of what I expected.

It was just some mild smooth psychedelia, everything got all shimmery and I had some minor lights dancing around my vision. It felt really smooth and mellow though.

Which was like the opposite of what I had been expecting, always wanted to try that again.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: musiclover420]
    #22120885 - 08/21/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Every extract I have Done I have ended up with green crystals (which are green from chlorophyll), which become clear with purification...

This was with ET2O...


With chilled anhydrous acetone I received a similar result...

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22120891 - 08/21/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've heard very good things about quidding it.




Yes, so have I. And about quidding and then smoking plain leaf on the peak. Definitely on my to do list.





Terence mckenna says quidding is the way to go, though I have never had much success with it.

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22121467 - 08/21/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Every extract I have Done I have ended up with green crystals (which are green from chlorophyll), which become clear with purification...

This was with ET2O...


With chilled anhydrous acetone I received a similar result...

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And the effect?

Did you and musiclover do extracts of self grown leaves?


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22121824 - 08/21/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia has struck my interest recently, and I've been looking for some research on long term effects (positive or negative) and haven't found much.  does anyone know of any such research? also what are your experiences with long term effects?


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22122320 - 08/21/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I probably just did to long of washes :shrug: I tend to do that, and I only tried it once.

I was saving up leaves for awhile though for another extraction, I need to start that again.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22125591 - 08/22/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Every extract I have Done I have ended up with green crystals (which are green from chlorophyll), which become clear with purification...

This was with ET2O...


With chilled anhydrous acetone I received a similar result...

-E. Borodin




And the effect?

Did you and musiclover do extracts of self grown leaves?




Ok, there's a library up the road from my house, I don't know who picks their outdoor ornamental plants, but there were about 30+ healthy salvia divinirum plants on the property, at the end of the season before fall I saw them removing the plants and asked "are you just throwing those away?" The told me yes, so I asked if I could take them off their hands...

First we subjected the leaves to a freezing and thawing process to break down most the chlorophyll, Brown leaves have all the salvinorins and not much of the garbage...

The extraction was carried out (I have the lab notes in a notebook, but don't want to transcribe it at this point.)
I obtained roughly 300mgs salvinorin-a from 100g dry leaf extraction was preformed with food grade anhydrous acetone, re-crystallization was preformed with boiling IPA, and changed the crystals from green to translucent/light green...

100mgs crystal were saved, the other 200 or so mgs were infused into plant matter.

I'll post some of the experience reports later today, I have to transcribe them.



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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Combatman]
    #22125595 - 08/22/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Salvia has struck my interest recently, and I've been looking for some research on long term effects (positive or negative) and haven't found much.  does anyone know of any such research? also what are your experiences with long term effects?





It's been a few years (2011) since I've smoked salvia extract, and I would have to.say I have not observed any noticeable effects from the compound, though a medical inspection could prove me wrong, but as far as I know, no effects positive or negative, some bizzare memories, that's all...

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22125941 - 08/22/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Salvia has struck my interest recently, and I've been looking for some research on long term effects (positive or negative) and haven't found much.  does anyone know of any such research? also what are your experiences with long term effects?





It's been a few years (2011) since I've smoked salvia extract, and I would have to.say I have not observed any noticeable effects from the compound, though a medical inspection could prove me wrong, but as far as I know, no effects positive or negative, some bizzare memories, that's all...

-E. Borodin




When I did some research before I started, mostly wikipedia, youtube, erowid, and shroomery, I read that there are probably no long term negative effects. That is, as far as we know, and when you use in reasonable amounts and frequencies.

From my own experience, say 12 times this summer, I can say that I've not had any after effects, flash backs, or anything like that. This was from 5x and 10x extracts, and on manageable trips, with only one "bad" time.

A very positive effect that I did notice, but this could be some kind of placebo, or just enthusiasm from finding some new substance, was the so called afterglow. For about a week after smoking I was in high spirits, doing more things than normal, and in a generally more positive mood. Very nice! Salvinorin-A is said to be some kind of anti-depressant, so maybe...


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22126137 - 08/22/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A very positive effect that I did notice, but this could be some kind of placebo, or just enthusiasm from finding some new substance, was the so called afterglow. For about a week after smoking I was in high spirits, doing more things than normal, and in a generally more positive mood. Very nice! Salvinorin-A is said to be some kind of anti-depressant, so maybe...




Not placebo. That's definitely Salvia. :grin:


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: CrimsonSpectre]
    #22128483 - 08/22/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

so you do feel like you had some positive long term(ish) effects hans and Crimson? (if you have experience with mushrooms and/or LSD) was it similar to the "afterglow" effects often experienced on Magic Mushrooms and/or LSD?


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Combatman]
    #22129764 - 08/23/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

After the extracts were preformed, I had a friend tell me he placed some of the pure salvinorin-A under his tongue, probably about 500ugs, and he reported an intense but slightly extended salvinorin-a experience, he told me it came on slower than smoking, and lasted longer, but reached the same intensity...

I generally try not to publish 2nd hand anecdotes, but it appears that quidding the extract infused leaf may produce the experience that quidders are seeking...has anybody bought salvia extract and rather than smoke the salvinorin-a infused plant material, simply placed it under their tongue?

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    #22129950 - 08/23/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

quid + plain leaf ftw.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Combatman]
    #22130949 - 08/23/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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so you do feel like you had some positive long term(ish) effects hans and Crimson? (if you have experience with mushrooms and/or LSD) was it similar to the "afterglow" effects often experienced on Magic Mushrooms and/or LSD?




IME the salvia afterglow was more natural, felt more like "my own", unlike LSD afterglow which was still somewhat trippy itself.

The salvia afterglow was also less subtle and more clearly present. Salvia is really unlike any other psychedelic... just be a little careful that you don't take too much. That could spoil the fun and make you say: never again. I think that happens a lot.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22130974 - 08/23/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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After the extracts were preformed, I had a friend tell me he placed some of the pure salvinorin-A under his tongue, probably about 500ugs, and he reported an intense but slightly extended salvinorin-a experience, he told me it came on slower than smoking, and lasted longer, but reached the same intensity...

I generally try not to publish 2nd hand anecdotes, but it appears that quidding the extract infused leaf may produce the experience that quidders are seeking...has anybody bought salvia extract and rather than smoke the salvinorin-a infused plant material, simply placed it under their tongue?

-E. Borodin




No, I haven't done that yet. I would be wary of doing it with pure salvinorin-A though. The measuring error of my scale is the difference between no effect and total overkill. I'm afraid you will need some pretty expensive equipment to do that responsibly, .. and enjoy it.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Combatman]
    #22133049 - 08/23/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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so you do feel like you had some positive long term(ish) effects hans and Crimson? (if you have experience with mushrooms and/or LSD) was it similar to the "afterglow" effects often experienced on Magic Mushrooms and/or LSD?




I love me some mushrooms. Dabbled with LSD a couple times. Salvia is like nothing else I've ever done and provides a profound level of self reflection. She is a beautiful plant.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: CrimsonSpectre]
    #22133518 - 08/24/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I will say that salvia is by far one of the best drugs i've ever done. It's so weird and nasty and absurd and mysterious yet loving in a way. Salvia felt like I woke up from a dream and my dream was life itself. I felt like I was back to where I was supposed to be just sooner than I should of because all the beings in this dimension recognized me yet were surprised that I was there. I've communicated with bars of soap, a book shelf, and several other inanimate objects. I've seen my reality ripped in half like a piece of a paper by sinister yet playful and childish elves and then had it put back together piece by piece like a puzzle. No substance I've done has made me question reality soooo much. For months after smoking the sacred plant i've been wondering what this life is


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22134448 - 08/24/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I felt like I was back to where I was supposed to be just sooner than I should of because all the beings in this dimension recognized me yet were surprised that I was there.




I've experienced this as well. On one occasion, however, they were fully expecting my arrival. They were sitting in a circle around me, and were amused by my confusion/disorientation. But not laughing AT me.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: CrimsonSpectre]
    #22134472 - 08/24/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

On the few occasions that I've had these entity experiences, I felt as if I joined a party to which I was specifically invited. Then, when I arrived they were glad I did, and welcomed me. No confusion or surprise. It just doesn't always happen. Sometimes there is only head space, visuals, and dissociation. Perhaps I'm not taking enough, but I'm a little worried after that time when I took too much...


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22137272 - 08/24/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22139029 - 08/25/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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After the extracts were preformed, I had a friend tell me he placed some of the pure salvinorin-A under his tongue, probably about 500ugs, and he reported an intense but slightly extended salvinorin-a experience, he told me it came on slower than smoking, and lasted longer, but reached the same intensity...

I generally try not to publish 2nd hand anecdotes, but it appears that quidding the extract infused leaf may produce the experience that quidders are seeking...has anybody bought salvia extract and rather than smoke the salvinorin-a infused plant material, simply placed it under their tongue?

-E. Borodin




No, I haven't done that yet. I would be wary of doing it with pure salvinorin-A though. The measuring error of my scale is the difference between no effect and total overkill. I'm afraid you will need some pretty expensive equipment to do that responsibly, .. and enjoy it.




https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/hardware/hardware_info1.shtml

https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/scale2.html

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    #22139043 - 08/25/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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On the few occasions that I've had these entity experiences, I felt as if I joined a party to which I was specifically invited. Then, when I arrived they were glad I did, and welcomed me. No confusion or surprise. It just doesn't always happen. Sometimes there is only head space, visuals, and dissociation. Perhaps I'm not taking enough, but I'm a little worried after that time when I took too much...




The beings I encounter on salvia are always these whacky elfen cartoon like things, as described in this previous post:

I encounter entities more often on salvinorin-A but they are often whacky, Looney-tunes cartoon like elf beings...

Here's an experience report from salvinorin-A:

I had just obtained the salvinorin-a and went into a tunnel where I often smoke marijuana, it's an isolated place, no worries about the public or police. I loaded a fairly large bowl of the salvinorin-a infused leaf into my marijuana pipe and cashed it in a single hit...
The bricks on the wall began to form a pyramid like structure in my visual field, a rush of cold pins and needles moved over my skin as I slowly lost contact with my body and the outside world, the pyramid structure became more defined, it was an Aztec pyramid, with vines and jungle surrounding it. I looked around I saw I was surrounded by small creatures, they were shaped like upside down horse-shoes or like a lower-case letter "n", they had feet at each point of the "n" shape of their body, large black eyes, and funny little arm like appendages that were warped around a stick which was resting across their "shoulders" with a bucket full of water on either end of the stick. All these little beings were carrying these pales of water up the pyramid steps. The communicated in this squeaky high-pitch ossiclation of frequencies which were packed with telepathic significance, I followed them to the top of the pyramid, where a river was running down the back, they were all dumping their buckets f water into this river, which I jumped into, I felt wet, and blind, and as if I were falling...then I came back to baseline reality.

Another time I smoked in my friends garage, after I exhaled I saw a multicolored river pouring over the white van that was parked next to me, this river type thing began at the top of the shelf and at its mouth sat several of these whacky, goofy, constantly moving and jumping and bouncing and making noise elf type creatures, all their bodies had odd shapes, one was shaped similar to a pipe wrench, the other was several odd angles all intersecting, it's hard to describe them, but I realized they were throwing this color changing rainbow like stuff into the "river" that was pouring down the shelf over the vans windshield and roof like wind, and out the garage door, these creatures were again squeaky and load. They having their own insane party of coloring this river...
Again, very very bizzare, but not life changing or very meaningful

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22144568 - 08/26/15 05:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If you aren't afraid you did too much.. you didn't do enough. - Terrance Mckenna




Yes, this sounds very cool, and may apply to shrooms, but IME it does not apply to salvia. With salvia, too-much-too-much results in black-out, amnesia, and a nasty come down. Would rather avoid those from now on.

Also, isn't the guy called "Terence", and not "Terrance"?


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    #22144571 - 08/26/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/hardware/hardware_info1.shtml

https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/scale2.html

Follow these directions exactly, and you will have an accurate microgram-scale.

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    #22149970 - 08/27/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/hardware/hardware_info1.shtml

https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/scale2.html

Follow these directions exactly, and you will have an accurate microgram-scale.

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Wow, those are some great tools. So you have really built them, and they do the job?




I helped build it, and yeah it worked great, it's no where near as complicated as it sounds, but I still had some of my more technical friends help out, all in all fairly simple, fairly easy to obtain parts....(we built the first one not the 2nd...)

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    #22149974 - 08/27/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

His ingenious ploy was to combine a cheese board and an old galvanometer, a device that measures current. The result was an electrorobalance that can determine weights from about 10 micrograms all the way up to 500,000 micrograms ( 0.5 gram).

The precision of the measurements is quite impressive. I personally confirmed that his design can measure to 1 percent masses exceeding one milligram. Furthermore, it can distinguish between masses in the 100-microgram range that differ by as little as two micrograms. And calculations suggest that the instrument can measure single masses as slight as 10 micrograms (I didn't have a weight this small to test).-erowid

Follow the directions exactly, the device should function as claimed above...

--E. Borodin


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22150343 - 08/27/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So, just a bit of background: I've done most of the "typical" psychedelics and a few of the more bizarre one and so far I have enjoyed them all. One I have never tried is Salvia divinorum.

The reason I have never tried it is because there is such a huge negative taboo around it. Every report I read or video I watch seems to be someones horror story on salvia... Which begs the question: Why would anyone still do it? If it produces such horrible and frightening experiences why does it even exist anymore? I would expect it to just loose popularity and eventually just not be available due to no demand... But it is still available, and people still do it...Why?

I have always been intrigued by its uniqueness, but never had the courage to try it. SO, what are your experiences/opinions with it? Have you personally had a good time with it? If so, how?

And lastly, would you recommend it? Are you glad you tried it?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just really trying to put this "myth" to rest. If everyone agrees its awful and suggests not to try it ill be able to just accept its a bad drug and not try it, but it's very existence confuses me. There must be something that is keeping it around, right?





.....here's what happended to me yesterday...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22149486/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22150361 - 08/27/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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People can have positive and negative experiences on any drug. People can freak out on weed.

Just because you read people having negative experiences on Salvia, dont assume its a negative substance



Thanks for the response :smile: I get where you are coming from completely, but you know what i mean right? There is a LOT of reports saying salvia is negative and very few reports of positive experiences. That has to mean something. It could just be that it is very strong and used irresponsibly by people who haven't done their homework :shrug:



I definately get where your coming from man and I understand why you asked what you did.
But most people simply just dont understand what the drug they take will do to them before they take it, they dont understand what to expect or how to deal with such things when it happens.

Being experienced with psychedelics and doing your research, would certainly greatly improve your chance to have a positive experience.

Ive never experienced Salvia, yet. Or DMT for that matter.
But id be able to handle it thats for sure.



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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22150445 - 08/27/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But id be able to handle it thats for sure.




Possibly. One friend though approached it pretty cocky. "I've done tons of drugs, I can handle anything." With Salvia, he had the most frightening experience of his life. He was reduced to the fetal position and a constant stream of tears AFTER he "came back."

Not saying you'd have a similar experience. But it's all about mindset when starting the venture, as you know.



Oh fuck no dude I have great respect for psychedelics and their power.

Im not like, ive done a shit ton of drugs, give me that shiat FFFFFFFFFFF.

It would take me some meditation and alot of thinking and humbling before Id sit down to do it.




....sorry...should have read more....namaste!:bigyesnod:


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: buddingshroomer]
    #22151998 - 08/27/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ive taken it about 5 times though its been a few years.It can be scary/strange/overwhelming experience but it is also interesting and doesnt last very long at all. There are people who like it. If youre gonna do it make sure you are in a safe place by yourself maybe with a responsible trustworthy sitter.It is pretty strange how it is legal though(not really complaining as I think all drugs should be legal) but it is definitely stronger than any psychedelic or even ketamine.


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