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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Achillita]
    #22115610 - 08/20/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's incredibly difficult to dose salvia extract because what you get is a little container full of what look like dry crumbled green leaves, these have been infused with the pure compound (the salvinorin-a is dissolved in a solvent, then the aqueous solution is placed on the plant matter and evaporated, leaving the plant matter infused with the pure compound)

This stuff is active in microgram dose, so how much is on a pinch? Who knows...

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: buddingshroomer]
    #22115766 - 08/20/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard very good things about quidding it.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22116376 - 08/20/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've heard very good things about quidding it.




Yes, so have I. And about quidding and then smoking plain leaf on the peak. Definitely on my to do list.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22116788 - 08/20/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I made an acetone salvia extract once, got a little piece of what looked lik tan semi sticky hash.

Split most of it with a friend and we each dabbed it, it was like the opposite of what I expected.

It was just some mild smooth psychedelia, everything got all shimmery and I had some minor lights dancing around my vision. It felt really smooth and mellow though.

Which was like the opposite of what I had been expecting, always wanted to try that again.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: musiclover420]
    #22120885 - 08/21/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Every extract I have Done I have ended up with green crystals (which are green from chlorophyll), which become clear with purification...

This was with ET2O...


With chilled anhydrous acetone I received a similar result...

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22120891 - 08/21/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've heard very good things about quidding it.




Yes, so have I. And about quidding and then smoking plain leaf on the peak. Definitely on my to do list.





Terence mckenna says quidding is the way to go, though I have never had much success with it.

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22121467 - 08/21/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Every extract I have Done I have ended up with green crystals (which are green from chlorophyll), which become clear with purification...

This was with ET2O...


With chilled anhydrous acetone I received a similar result...

-E. Borodin




And the effect?

Did you and musiclover do extracts of self grown leaves?


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22121824 - 08/21/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia has struck my interest recently, and I've been looking for some research on long term effects (positive or negative) and haven't found much.  does anyone know of any such research? also what are your experiences with long term effects?


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22122320 - 08/21/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I probably just did to long of washes :shrug: I tend to do that, and I only tried it once.

I was saving up leaves for awhile though for another extraction, I need to start that again.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22125591 - 08/22/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Every extract I have Done I have ended up with green crystals (which are green from chlorophyll), which become clear with purification...

This was with ET2O...


With chilled anhydrous acetone I received a similar result...

-E. Borodin




And the effect?

Did you and musiclover do extracts of self grown leaves?




Ok, there's a library up the road from my house, I don't know who picks their outdoor ornamental plants, but there were about 30+ healthy salvia divinirum plants on the property, at the end of the season before fall I saw them removing the plants and asked "are you just throwing those away?" The told me yes, so I asked if I could take them off their hands...

First we subjected the leaves to a freezing and thawing process to break down most the chlorophyll, Brown leaves have all the salvinorins and not much of the garbage...

The extraction was carried out (I have the lab notes in a notebook, but don't want to transcribe it at this point.)
I obtained roughly 300mgs salvinorin-a from 100g dry leaf extraction was preformed with food grade anhydrous acetone, re-crystallization was preformed with boiling IPA, and changed the crystals from green to translucent/light green...

100mgs crystal were saved, the other 200 or so mgs were infused into plant matter.

I'll post some of the experience reports later today, I have to transcribe them.



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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Combatman]
    #22125595 - 08/22/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Salvia has struck my interest recently, and I've been looking for some research on long term effects (positive or negative) and haven't found much.  does anyone know of any such research? also what are your experiences with long term effects?





It's been a few years (2011) since I've smoked salvia extract, and I would have to.say I have not observed any noticeable effects from the compound, though a medical inspection could prove me wrong, but as far as I know, no effects positive or negative, some bizzare memories, that's all...

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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22125941 - 08/22/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Combatman said:
Salvia has struck my interest recently, and I've been looking for some research on long term effects (positive or negative) and haven't found much.  does anyone know of any such research? also what are your experiences with long term effects?





It's been a few years (2011) since I've smoked salvia extract, and I would have to.say I have not observed any noticeable effects from the compound, though a medical inspection could prove me wrong, but as far as I know, no effects positive or negative, some bizzare memories, that's all...

-E. Borodin




When I did some research before I started, mostly wikipedia, youtube, erowid, and shroomery, I read that there are probably no long term negative effects. That is, as far as we know, and when you use in reasonable amounts and frequencies.

From my own experience, say 12 times this summer, I can say that I've not had any after effects, flash backs, or anything like that. This was from 5x and 10x extracts, and on manageable trips, with only one "bad" time.

A very positive effect that I did notice, but this could be some kind of placebo, or just enthusiasm from finding some new substance, was the so called afterglow. For about a week after smoking I was in high spirits, doing more things than normal, and in a generally more positive mood. Very nice! Salvinorin-A is said to be some kind of anti-depressant, so maybe...


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
    #22126137 - 08/22/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A very positive effect that I did notice, but this could be some kind of placebo, or just enthusiasm from finding some new substance, was the so called afterglow. For about a week after smoking I was in high spirits, doing more things than normal, and in a generally more positive mood. Very nice! Salvinorin-A is said to be some kind of anti-depressant, so maybe...




Not placebo. That's definitely Salvia. :grin:


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: CrimsonSpectre]
    #22128483 - 08/22/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

so you do feel like you had some positive long term(ish) effects hans and Crimson? (if you have experience with mushrooms and/or LSD) was it similar to the "afterglow" effects often experienced on Magic Mushrooms and/or LSD?


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Combatman]
    #22129764 - 08/23/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

After the extracts were preformed, I had a friend tell me he placed some of the pure salvinorin-A under his tongue, probably about 500ugs, and he reported an intense but slightly extended salvinorin-a experience, he told me it came on slower than smoking, and lasted longer, but reached the same intensity...

I generally try not to publish 2nd hand anecdotes, but it appears that quidding the extract infused leaf may produce the experience that quidders are seeking...has anybody bought salvia extract and rather than smoke the salvinorin-a infused plant material, simply placed it under their tongue?

-E. Borodin


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22129950 - 08/23/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

quid + plain leaf ftw.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Combatman]
    #22130949 - 08/23/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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so you do feel like you had some positive long term(ish) effects hans and Crimson? (if you have experience with mushrooms and/or LSD) was it similar to the "afterglow" effects often experienced on Magic Mushrooms and/or LSD?




IME the salvia afterglow was more natural, felt more like "my own", unlike LSD afterglow which was still somewhat trippy itself.

The salvia afterglow was also less subtle and more clearly present. Salvia is really unlike any other psychedelic... just be a little careful that you don't take too much. That could spoil the fun and make you say: never again. I think that happens a lot.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22130974 - 08/23/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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After the extracts were preformed, I had a friend tell me he placed some of the pure salvinorin-A under his tongue, probably about 500ugs, and he reported an intense but slightly extended salvinorin-a experience, he told me it came on slower than smoking, and lasted longer, but reached the same intensity...

I generally try not to publish 2nd hand anecdotes, but it appears that quidding the extract infused leaf may produce the experience that quidders are seeking...has anybody bought salvia extract and rather than smoke the salvinorin-a infused plant material, simply placed it under their tongue?

-E. Borodin




No, I haven't done that yet. I would be wary of doing it with pure salvinorin-A though. The measuring error of my scale is the difference between no effect and total overkill. I'm afraid you will need some pretty expensive equipment to do that responsibly, .. and enjoy it.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Combatman]
    #22133049 - 08/23/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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so you do feel like you had some positive long term(ish) effects hans and Crimson? (if you have experience with mushrooms and/or LSD) was it similar to the "afterglow" effects often experienced on Magic Mushrooms and/or LSD?




I love me some mushrooms. Dabbled with LSD a couple times. Salvia is like nothing else I've ever done and provides a profound level of self reflection. She is a beautiful plant.


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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: CrimsonSpectre]
    #22133518 - 08/24/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I will say that salvia is by far one of the best drugs i've ever done. It's so weird and nasty and absurd and mysterious yet loving in a way. Salvia felt like I woke up from a dream and my dream was life itself. I felt like I was back to where I was supposed to be just sooner than I should of because all the beings in this dimension recognized me yet were surprised that I was there. I've communicated with bars of soap, a book shelf, and several other inanimate objects. I've seen my reality ripped in half like a piece of a paper by sinister yet playful and childish elves and then had it put back together piece by piece like a puzzle. No substance I've done has made me question reality soooo much. For months after smoking the sacred plant i've been wondering what this life is


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