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buddingshroomer



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Advice needed regarding salvia
#22109908 - 08/19/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, just a bit of background: I've done most of the "typical" psychedelics and a few of the more bizarre one and so far I have enjoyed them all. One I have never tried is Salvia divinorum.
The reason I have never tried it is because there is such a huge negative taboo around it. Every report I read or video I watch seems to be someones horror story on salvia... Which begs the question: Why would anyone still do it? If it produces such horrible and frightening experiences why does it even exist anymore? I would expect it to just loose popularity and eventually just not be available due to no demand... But it is still available, and people still do it...Why?
I have always been intrigued by its uniqueness, but never had the courage to try it. SO, what are your experiences/opinions with it? Have you personally had a good time with it? If so, how?
And lastly, would you recommend it? Are you glad you tried it?
Sorry for all the questions, I'm just really trying to put this "myth" to rest. If everyone agrees its awful and suggests not to try it ill be able to just accept its a bad drug and not try it, but it's very existence confuses me. There must be something that is keeping it around, right?
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People can have positive and negative experiences on any drug. People can freak out on weed.
Just because you read people having negative experiences on Salvia, dont assume its a negative substance
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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22109985 - 08/19/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: People can have positive and negative experiences on any drug. People can freak out on weed.
Just because you read people having negative experiences on Salvia, dont assume its a negative substance
Thanks for the response I get where you are coming from completely, but you know what i mean right? There is a LOT of reports saying salvia is negative and very few reports of positive experiences. That has to mean something. It could just be that it is very strong and used irresponsibly by people who haven't done their homework
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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22109990 - 08/19/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Salvia is definitely not for everyone. And you need to be prepared to have your view of reality and thoughts on your existence completely turned upside down. I first started with Salvia back in 2002. I did a lot of research before trying it, and wanted a spiritual experience, not just a cool trip. I became a sitter/guide for many people that I exposed to Salvia. And in creating the right setting for them, none of them had a negative experience that got them hurt, but some were not ready for what Salvia had in store for them. For 2 years, all it ever did to me was make me hot and tingly. This was with using about 6-8 times a month. I really wanted to experience some of the things my friends were telling me that they were. But one day, I finally had my break through and first OBE. After that, every time I used Salvia, I had an OBE. This is with regular leaf, no 5X, 10X, or whatever. I haven't used in almost 7 years. It was Salvia that helped me reach the decision to quit trying to escape this reality and appreciate all my life's experiences both positive and negative. Approach her with the highest level of respect.
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MajickMuffin said: People can have positive and negative experiences on any drug. People can freak out on weed.
Just because you read people having negative experiences on Salvia, dont assume its a negative substance
Thanks for the response I get where you are coming from completely, but you know what i mean right? There is a LOT of reports saying salvia is negative and very few reports of positive experiences. That has to mean something. It could just be that it is very strong and used irresponsibly by people who haven't done their homework 
I definately get where your coming from man and I understand why you asked what you did. But most people simply just dont understand what the drug they take will do to them before they take it, they dont understand what to expect or how to deal with such things when it happens.
Being experienced with psychedelics and doing your research, would certainly greatly improve your chance to have a positive experience.
Ive never experienced Salvia, yet. Or DMT for that matter. But id be able to handle it thats for sure.
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CrimsonSpectre said: Salvia is definitely not for everyone. And you need to be prepared to have your view of reality and thoughts on your existence completely turned upside down. I first started with Salvia back in 2002. I did a lot of research before trying it, and wanted a spiritual experience, not just a cool trip. I became a sitter/guide for many people that I exposed to Salvia. And in creating the right setting for them, none of them had a negative experience that got them hurt, but some were not ready for what Salvia had in store for them. For 2 years, all it ever did to me was make me hot and tingly. This was with using about 6-8 times a month. I really wanted to experience some of the things my friends were telling me that they were. But one day, I finally had my break through and first OBE. After that, every time I used Salvia, I had an OBE. This is with regular leaf, no 5X, 10X, or whatever. I haven't used in almost 7 years. It was Salvia that helped me reach the decision to quit trying to escape this reality and appreciate all my life's experiences both positive and negative. Approach her with the highest level of respect.
Thank you, I will certainly think very carefully about my surroundings and state of mind before I try it. I don't think I'm quite there yet.
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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin] 1
#22110018 - 08/19/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: But id be able to handle it thats for sure.
Possibly. One friend though approached it pretty cocky. "I've done tons of drugs, I can handle anything." With Salvia, he had the most frightening experience of his life. He was reduced to the fetal position and a constant stream of tears AFTER he "came back."
Not saying you'd have a similar experience. But it's all about mindset when starting the venture, as you know.
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My experiences with salvia:
(These are just the two I had already transcribed, but they are good reports none the less)
I had just obtained the salvinorin-a and went into a tunnel where I often smoke marijuana, it's an isolated place, no worries about the public or police. I loaded a fairly large bowl of the salvinorin-a infused leaf into my marijuana pipe and cashed it in a single hit... The bricks on the wall began to form a pyramid like structure in my visual field, a rush of cold pins and needles moved over my skin as I slowly lost contact with my body and the outside world, the pyramid structure became more defined, it was an Aztec pyramid, with vines and jungle surrounding it. I looked around I saw I was surrounded by small creatures, they were shaped like upside down horse-shoes or like a lower-case letter "n", they had feet at each point of the "n" shape of their body, large black eyes, and funny little arm like appendages that were warped around a stick which was resting across their "shoulders" with a bucket full of water on either end of the stick. All these little beings were carrying these pales of water up the pyramid steps. The communicated in this squeaky high-pitch ossiclation of frequencies which were packed with telepathic significance, I followed them to the top of the pyramid, where a river was running down the back, they were all dumping their buckets f water into this river, which I jumped into, I felt wet, and blind, and as if I were falling...then I came back to baseline reality.
Another time I smoked in my friends garage, after I exhaled I saw a multicolored river pouring over the white van that was parked next to me, this river type thing began at the top of the shelf and at its mouth sat several of these whacky, goofy, constantly moving and jumping and bouncing and making noise elf type creatures, all their bodies had odd shapes, one was shaped similar to a pipe wrench, the other was several odd angles all intersecting, it's hard to describe them, but I realized they were throwing this color changing rainbow like stuff into the "river" that was pouring down the shelf over the vans windshield and roof like wind, and out the garage door, these creatures were again squeaky and load. They having their own insane party of coloring this river... Again, very very bizzare, but not life changing or very meaningful...
Salvia can be very uncomfortable though... It's never been pleasant for me, but it's always a good show...
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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22110027 - 08/19/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: I definately get where your coming from man and I understand why you asked what you did. But most people simply just dont understand what the drug they take will do to them before they take it, they dont understand what to expect or how to deal with such things when it happens.
Being experienced with psychedelics and doing your research, would certainly greatly improve your chance to have a positive experience.
Ive never experienced Salvia, yet. Or DMT for that matter. But id be able to handle it thats for sure.
Glad we're on the same page. Yeah I feel like salvia is marketed as a legal weed alternative or something which attracts completely the wrong audience and results in a lot of unprepared and inexperienced people having their world torn apart in front of them, hence the negative reports.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: My experiences with salvia:
(These are just the two I had already transcribed, but they are good reports none the less)
I had just obtained the salvinorin-a and went into a tunnel where I often smoke marijuana, it's an isolated place, no worries about the public or police. I loaded a fairly large bowl of the salvinorin-a infused leaf into my marijuana pipe and cashed it in a single hit... The bricks on the wall began to form a pyramid like structure in my visual field, a rush of cold pins and needles moved over my skin as I slowly lost contact with my body and the outside world, the pyramid structure became more defined, it was an Aztec pyramid, with vines and jungle surrounding it. I looked around I saw I was surrounded by small creatures, they were shaped like upside down horse-shoes or like a lower-case letter "n", they had feet at each point of the "n" shape of their body, large black eyes, and funny little arm like appendages that were warped around a stick which was resting across their "shoulders" with a bucket full of water on either end of the stick. All these little beings were carrying these pales of water up the pyramid steps. The communicated in this squeaky high-pitch ossiclation of frequencies which were packed with telepathic significance, I followed them to the top of the pyramid, where a river was running down the back, they were all dumping their buckets f water into this river, which I jumped into, I felt wet, and blind, and as if I were falling...then I came back to baseline reality.
Another time I smoked in my friends garage, after I exhaled I saw a multicolored river pouring over the white van that was parked next to me, this river type thing began at the top of the shelf and at its mouth sat several of these whacky, goofy, constantly moving and jumping and bouncing and making noise elf type creatures, all their bodies had odd shapes, one was shaped similar to a pipe wrench, the other was several odd angles all intersecting, it's hard to describe them, but I realized they were throwing this color changing rainbow like stuff into the "river" that was pouring down the shelf over the vans windshield and roof like wind, and out the garage door, these creatures were again squeaky and load. They having their own insane party of coloring this river... Again, very very bizzare, but not life changing or very meaningful...
Salvia can be very uncomfortable though... It's never been pleasant for me, but it's always a good show...
-E. Borodin
Thanks for the reports! A good read and you sound like you enjoyed it I have heard before that the pressure on your body can be uncomfortable..
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I would not say I enjoyed it, it was very uncomfortable, very disorienting....I was reminded of DMT, but only because you inhale, it comes on fast, your out of body more or less, then you return...Though other than that it's NOTHING like DMT...I know that may not make sense, but you will see what I mean...
Salvia introduced itself to me as "the water teacher" and all my hallucinations with the compound involve rivers...
The initial body sensation reminds me of a river of "pins and needles" rushing over my body, it even causes me to lean to the side, as if I'm in its currant...
Salvinorin-a is a kappa opioid receptor agonist,it contains no nitrogen so it's not an alkaloid or an amine, it's a diterpenoid hydrocarbon, a very unique and bizzare compound...
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mmmm interesting. I've heard of this pins and needles rush a lot as well. Based on reports alone, salvia and DMT sound like they're worlds apart. Similar in that they produce immersive "level 5" experiences, but it sounds like the similarities end there. (I am experienced with DMT, just not salvia)
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buddingshroomer said: mmmm interesting. I've heard of this pins and needles rush a lot as well. Based on reports alone, salvia and DMT sound like they're worlds apart. Similar in that they produce immersive "level 5" experiences, but it sounds like the similarities end there. (I am experienced with DMT, just not salvia)
They act the same, but they don't feel the same.
Meaning you inhale and before you can exhale it kicks in, it lasts about 15 minutes, and then your done, it behaves like a DMT experience, only the content and feeling of the experience are different.
If I had to pick a compound to compare it to though, it would be DMT...
The initial trip report was from a thread comparing DMT to salvia, here is the whole post:
DMT is more profound, with far deeper implications.
Salvinorin-a is a kappa opioid receptor agonist, so it comes with this prickly feeling of rushing water running over my body. With salvinorin-a I feel "fuzzed out", I don't feel I'm mentally functioning properly. I encounter entities more often on salvinorin-A but they are often whacky, Looney-tunes cartoon like elf beings...
Here's an experience report from salvinorin-A:
I had just obtained the salvinorin-a and went into a tunnel where I often smoke marijuana, it's an isolated place, no worries about the public or police. I loaded a fairly large bowl of the salvinorin-a infused leaf into my marijuana pipe and cashed it in a single hit... The bricks on the wall began to form a pyramid like structure in my visual field, a rush of cold pins and needles moved over my skin as I slowly lost contact with my body and the outside world, the pyramid structure became more defined, it was an Aztec pyramid, with vines and jungle surrounding it. I looked around I saw I was surrounded by small creatures, they were shaped like upside down horse-shoes or like a lower-case letter "n", they had feet at each point of the "n" shape of their body, large black eyes, and funny little arm like appendages that were warped around a stick which was resting across their "shoulders" with a bucket full of water on either end of the stick. All these little beings were carrying these pales of water up the pyramid steps. The communicated in this squeaky high-pitch ossiclation of frequencies which were packed with telepathic significance, I followed them to the top of the pyramid, where a river was running down the back, they were all dumping their buckets f water into this river, which I jumped into, I felt wet, and blind, and as if I were falling...then I came back to baseline reality.
Another time I smoked in my friends garage, after I exhaled I saw a multicolored river pouring over the white van that was parked next to me, this river type thing began at the top of the shelf and at its mouth sat several of these whacky, goofy, constantly moving and jumping and bouncing and making noise elf type creatures, all their bodies had odd shapes, one was shaped similar to a pipe wrench, the other was several odd angles all intersecting, it's hard to describe them, but I realized they were throwing this color changing rainbow like stuff into the "river" that was pouring down the shelf over the vans windshield and roof like wind, and out the garage door, these creatures were again squeaky and load. They having their own insane party of coloring this river... Again, very very bizzare, but not life changing or very meaningful
..this is a quick description of my first DMT experience for comparison:
the first time I smoked DMT it was 200mgs yellow crystal on top of high-grade marijuana, I cleared it in a single hit. I remember feeling like I was at the bottom of a foggy mountain with dirt roads, I was overcome with an intense feeling of panic and deja-vu, I felt like a lost child, everything I knew about who I was or my life or earth seemed like a distant dream, like I dissolved out of existence, I interpreted this as dying, I knew that I was dead, and I was emotionally overwhelmed while confronting the event of my death....I could not tell if I was breathing or not, I would take air in, but couldn't feel it, then noticed a pain in my chest, a giant mantis like being had its claws in my chest, it proceeded to tear open my chest and stomach removing all my organs and insides, I was about to go into shock when I saw a bright green light flash over my shoulder, it nearly hit me, it then became a beautiful geometric object, morphing and color changing, like a jewel from hyperspace, the mantis then put this object in my torn up body, he began to make billions of these objects, each one unique and radiating beautiful colored light ans he filled my body with them, then I was sealed up and propelled into an orange light where I was resurrected...then I felt as if I was being pushed through a membrane, I was being born....then back to reality....those who were there said in reality I curled up into a ball and began to cry for 20 minutes, I was wondering why my face was wet, because it felt like I had actually just went through being born...any way the immense deep spiritual and psychological implications of this experience left me for ever transformed, reborn as a new person entirely, it was the single most meaningful thing that has ever happened to me.
...where as with salvia, it was bizzare, and I learn from it, but it was nothing like DMT, it lacks the meaning of experience and deep implications, I smoked salvia long before I smoked DMT, my salvia experiences didn't have the effect that DMT did in Any way, so while they may both produce quick and intense psychedelia with out of body experiences and entity contact, I still feel there are some core differences which separate these compounds from one another, and in many ways they are nothing alike.
salvinorin-a was inducing bizzare, out of body type experiences, it completely lacked the transformative profound transcendental qualities of the DMT experience.
Though I still find salvinorin-a to be useful for certain types of exploration, it doesn't seem real, it's easy to accept the experience as chemically induced, you don't feel sober. While with DMT I generally feel exactly the same as I did before I broke through only the world around has been transformed, it's hard to accept DMT as a simple chemical reaction in the mind, it's real, whatever that means, DMT is very real.
Keep in mind this is just me, others may feel differently.
(I wrote the experience reports as quickly as possible to save space on the thread, in reality every experience was much more detailed, I could fill pages regarding any of these events be them DMT or salvia, I know the shorter you cut your stories the less effective they become, these experiences are very hard to translate into human language as it is, so you must be as descriptive as possible, but here was not the time or place, I hope I made the point effectively with out removing so much detail that they become in effective as examples.)
You can read others opinion regarding DMT and salvia here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21940786/page/2/fpart/all
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MajickMuffin said: But id be able to handle it thats for sure.
Possibly. One friend though approached it pretty cocky. "I've done tons of drugs, I can handle anything." With Salvia, he had the most frightening experience of his life. He was reduced to the fetal position and a constant stream of tears AFTER he "came back."
Not saying you'd have a similar experience. But it's all about mindset when starting the venture, as you know.
Oh fuck no dude I have great respect for psychedelics and their power.
Im not like, ive done a shit ton of drugs, give me that shiat FFFFFFFFFFF.
It would take me some meditation and alot of thinking and humbling before Id sit down to do it.
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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22110562 - 08/19/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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From my limited experience with salvia, i can recommend starting low and upping dose gradually This way you get used to the strange sensation that is the salvia trip and you can start to enjoy it
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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: thoraxx]
#22112960 - 08/19/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you everyone for your input. Got some really good info and opinions
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Meditation and salvia are pretty important as it really demands your full respect and attention.
Quidding is more what I am into though I have ever really had much success with it. I have been on a long break from Sallie though.
I want to wait until I have managed to sober up and meditate for awhile before going back.
I love growing it though, I have many plants. Usually when I have smoked it I just feel really uncomfortable and anxious. But once I smoked a lot mixed with ganja sitting inside by a fire and saw some amazing nature visions of forest/ jungle themed abstract art and scenery. It was awesome. Only experience I have had like that though. Once I smoked some 80x in my youth with 2 friends, one of them thought he died and fell on my floor for a bit
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buddingshroomer said: Have you personally had a good time with it? If so, how?
And lastly, would you recommend it? Are you glad you tried it?
Yes I would recommend it. It can do some unique things to you.
To me, respecting the substance means: to do it in total silence, (almost) total darkness, always a sitter and no other company, rest well and eat healthy before starting, and no mixing with other substances (you can always take these afterwards).
This is all about the closed-eyed inner trip. Anything that distracts you from that is, in a sense, disrespecting the Lady S.
I could write long trip reports, but I'll keep it short today. Salvia taught me that there is a shortcut/trapdoor to heaven hidden in the right hemisphere of my brain. No, literally. It doesn't always open, but it's what I keep coming back for.
So, yes, I am glad I tried it 
Oh, and do start low. Plain leaf or 5x is plenty strong for me. The one time I went too far was on 10x. I'm very careful now.
Love, Hanz.
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Re: Advice needed regarding salvia [Re: Hanz]
#22114053 - 08/19/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I love salvia, but don't smoke it too often. IMO, many people have bad experiences because they dose way too high. An extract is made so you have to smoke much less material, but a lot of people think more is better and just smoke 5x the amount for strong effects.
Start with only a pinch and work yourself up. Treat it like any other trip. Salvia has shown me profound things, but they are always more out there. I personally have enjoyed salvia more than DMT, but I've only tried dmt 5-6 times, and almost broken through once.
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