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ShroomerInTheRye
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: Amanita86]
#22120704 - 08/21/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: Man, that northeast area must be fuckin' LOADED with drugs. Every 5 minutes there's another bust up there.
I was born and raised in NE Ohio. My graduating class was about 500 kids. It seems like once a month, there's another overdose death. When I see a news article about another person in Cleveland found dead of a heroin overdose, I immediately go check the class roster. It's fucking ridiculous how many people have died of this shit in the past two years. We've lost about 30-40 classmates already.
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thebitterbuffalo26
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
#22120719 - 08/21/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It didn't say, but the reason there's been a lot of heroin deaths lately is because piece of shit people like these cut it down with dangerous stuff, which is why it becomes lethal. They are responsible.
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: thebitterbuffalo26]
#22121487 - 08/21/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, should pharmaceutical companies be charged if someone dies on acetaminophen or opioids? No, it is up to the user. If a opiate addict OD's and dies on cut heroin, it is their fault. It is the users responsibility to test each new batch, this is made especially clear on Shroomery, such as no dosage advice and starting first with allergy tests.
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: daz01]
#22125762 - 08/22/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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daz01 said: So, should pharmaceutical companies be charged if someone dies on acetaminophen or opioids? No, it is up to the user. If a opiate addict OD's and dies on cut heroin, it is their fault. It is the users responsibility to test each new batch, this is made especially clear on Shroomery, such as no dosage advice and starting first with allergy tests.
Wow the logic here is missing partner. If you took a substance sold as acetaminophen but it was really poison and you died, how would that be your fault? It's as simple as that. In your mind a junkie should be testing every bag because CONSUMER BEWARE? Get real
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: thebitterbuffalo26]
#22125767 - 08/22/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's just shows people's lack of concern about a serious problem, and that you already got it figured out apparently
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: thebitterbuffalo26]
#22125826 - 08/22/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe in personal responsibility, you understand the potential risks before you take the compound, you understand its black market and may not be clean, and you understand overdose is a risk as well, knowing all this if you still consume the product the blame rests on you.
You can't blame the drugs as most often happens.
In some cases the dealers may be some what responsible, but if we are going to play this blame game instead of putting the responsibility on ourselves, we will get no where.
If I take a drug and I die, I personally would only blame myself, even if it's got something funny in it, because I am not stupid and know that most heroin is stomped with fentanyl or some other potentially harmful compounds...
It's sucks if the addict is sick, in horrible pain, and shoots without considering any of this just to end the pain, but at the same time there's methadone, they could have been getting well off of a clean legal alternative, all in all it comes down to their personal choices, and who should be responsible for your personal choices? Yourself.
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: Toe_Jam]
#22154815 - 08/28/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Toe_Jam said: If the dealer sells fentanyl as heroin and the user goes for a normal H dose and dies is it the same principal?
Obviously not a good idea to be doing it at all but still.....
The dude selling it doesn't give a fuck. He just wants easy money.
It's a good point.
It makes it more tragic for the user, for sure.
Morally, ethically speaking on the part of the seller? Well, I think the obvious big question here is:
"Did he know what he was selling? Was he the one who personally spiked dope with heroin, or cut fentanyl as faux smack? If not, did he have direct knowledge of this from the person he purchased it from? Or, was he as unaware as his customers, of the substance's true identity?"
Lots of people act as middleman dealers, and do nothing to the drugs they selling, but move them from point A to point B. And very few of these people probably do any kind of serious testing on their material. Should they be liable to? I'm not sure that's the kind of thing many dealers would realize they could do at home. Actually... how easy would it be to detect fentanyl vs heroin with simple reagent testing?
Anyway, if this guy just bought what he thought was heroin, and sold it to someone else, he's not quite the monster as the guy who actually prepared the stuff. And I'd say that's especially true if the guy was a user himself, which would make him as much a potential victim as anyone else.
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: Toe_Jam]
#22155110 - 08/28/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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"These cases should send a message to those that choose to sell drugs in Brown County that they will be held accountable if the drugs they sell cause a deadly overdose, ” Brown County First Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Zac Corbin said in a news release.
So is he saying that as long as your shit doesn't kill, they don't care what you do? Cops always say the dumbest shit when trying to protect the public. They are just like politicians, running their mouths, making promises and never following through.
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
#22158179 - 08/28/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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kosmokratorshaman said: "These cases should send a message to those that choose to sell drugs in Brown County that they will be held accountable if the drugs they sell cause a deadly overdose, ” Brown County First Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Zac Corbin said in a news release.
So is he saying that as long as your shit doesn't kill, they don't care what you do? Cops always say the dumbest shit when trying to protect the public. They are just like politicians, running their mouths, making promises and never following through.
No, that's not even almost what he's saying.
He is saying that if you sell shit that kills people, you will be facing many more years of prison assrape, than if you sell shit and people don't die. "They will be held accountable" meaning accountable for the deaths.
I thought that was pretty clear and straightforward.
You are right about cops running their mouths with stupid shit, though, generally speaking.
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: Toe_Jam]
#22158209 - 08/28/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Toe_Jam said: The dude selling it doesn't give a fuck. He just wants easy money.
Actually, the dealer kinda does give a fuck. Dead customers are no good to him. Easy money is to get good shit and keep people hooked. Heroin addicts pawn all their shit for the stuff.
I read somewhere that the grade of the heroin going around up there is purer, so people need to use less than they're used to, but they don't get that because "fuck you all I got heroin".
It blows my mind that so many of my friends and classmates are dead from this. WTF happened to our class that so many turned into heroin addicts?
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
#22159716 - 08/29/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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"It blows my mind that so many of my friends and classmates are dead from this. WTF happened to our class that so many turned into heroin addicts?"
This is the question I have. My father is a heroin user, as are both of his sons. Many other members of the family use or sell drugs. None that I know of have died to heroin overdose deaths.
I don't really see lots of heroin overdose stories in the news about black folks, or hear people really remark all that often about black folks dying to heroin overdoses, though I'm absolutely sure it happens and happens often.
I just had a friend and roommate die this year of a heroin overdose. We are in Pennsylvania but he was from Ohio.
What is up with so many young(ish) white kids from Ohio dying to heroin? What causes them to become interested in and ultimately encourages them to use heroin in way and under circumstances that leads to a pattern of deaths?
Anyone have any insight on this? Do black folks grow up in environments with seasoned addicts who instruct them and ultimately keep many from dying while white teens go it alone and learn first hand most part? What could it be?
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: Humility]
#22162862 - 08/29/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Brown County, Ohio is 98% white, so that's probably why you won't see too many black guys dying from heroin here. I do happen to know the 3 dead people in this story are white even though the article doesn't say.
On the other hand, the biggest heroin busts in Brown County have been black men and women from Cincinnati in their 20s. Mason County, Kentucky (directly south of Brown County) recently took down a group of about 13 (possibly more) black/multiracial black men and women distributing kilos throughout northern Kentucky over a several year span of time.
So, I have to say African Americans are at least significant in the movement of heroin from urban to rural areas if they aren't doing it themselves.
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Re: 3 indicted in Brown County, Ohio in connection to overdose deaths [Re: D.M.T]
#22162941 - 08/29/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is it powder or tar down there?
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