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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: psi]
    #22110155 - 08/19/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nevermind....they are all symmetrical like this...I wonder why they chose 9 then...

-E. Borodin




There is some more cool decimal-specific shit with 9s as well. For example,

1/7 = 0.142857 = 142857 / 999999

This kind of thing works out for any rational number whose base-10 representation is a repeating decimal.




Very interesting...

When I was younger I used to hate math, because I felt I was all dry calculation...I mean I know all the basics, but I really did not start actually taking a personal interest in math until just recently, and the more I learn the more amazing the concept becomes, there are all these seemingly intentionally constructed, intricate, complex mathematical formulas and anomalies that have recently caught my attention and sparked my interest in mathematics.

Thanks for the information, it's very appreciated, feel free to post any other interesting mathematical principles.

-E. Borodin


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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: healing]
    #22110186 - 08/19/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Math is one of our most basic social constructs. It's our limited minds' attempt at understanding a universe that reaches far beyond our conception. The system from which we attempt to reason some order is far too vast for some bunch of apes. Math and science are a product of a group of cultures, our best work, yes, but still a work in progress, you'll agree.

Any thought, any concept is a social construct, or do you not remember all of the people, and energy, and money that went into teaching it to you?




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minds' attempt at understanding a universe that reaches far beyond our conception


it IS the universe, these are the basic principles by which our universe was constructed, math was here before humans and will remain after, we did not invent math, we stumbled upon it, it's not a social construct by any means.

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Math and science are a product of a group of cultures


this is in no way true...

Man did not decide that one object added to another object equals two objects, he observed that it was so. Man did not create the structure that is math, even though it seems so intricate and precise that it had a creator, it was simply observed, it's an observable principle of the reality which surrounds us.


-E. Borodin


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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22110596 - 08/19/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One thing that's kind of cool in number theory is proof by mathematical induction. A proof by simple induction goes like this:

Say we have a claim that may or may not hold true for a given natural number n, and we want to prove that the claim is true for every natural number. Testing every natural number is impossible since the set of natural numbers is infinite. To prove by simple induction that our claim is true for all natural numbers, we need to demonstrate two things:

(A) - The claim is true for the first natural number. Depending on the specific field of study, this is either 0 or 1.
(B) - If the claim is true for a given value of n, then the claim must also be true for the following number n+1. Typically you demonstrate this with algebra.

If both of those parts are true, then by sort of a domino effect we've shown it to be true for every natural number. If our original claim is true for n=0, then (B) tells us it must also be true for n=1. Now that we know it's true for n=1, we can apply (B) again to show it's true for n=2, and so on. The process can be repeated an arbitrary number of times, so for any natural number you can think of, we can show it to be true for that number by applying (B) as many times as necessary.


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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22112903 - 08/19/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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healing said:
Math is one of our most basic social constructs. It's our limited minds' attempt at understanding a universe that reaches far beyond our conception. The system from which we attempt to reason some order is far too vast for some bunch of apes. Math and science are a product of a group of cultures, our best work, yes, but still a work in progress, you'll agree.

Any thought, any concept is a social construct, or do you not remember all of the people, and energy, and money that went into teaching it to you?




It's not a
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minds' attempt at understanding a universe that reaches far beyond our conception


it IS the universe, these are the basic principles by which our universe was constructed, math was here before humans and will remain after, we did not invent math, we stumbled upon it, it's not a social construct by any means.

you said
Quote:

Math and science are a product of a group of cultures


this is in no way true...

Man did not decide that one object added to another object equals two objects, he observed that it was so. Man did not create the structure that is math, even though it seems so intricate and precise that it had a creator, it was simply observed, it's an observable principle of the reality which surrounds us.


-E. Borodin




It could have been observed, but you wouldn't know. You never observed it. You weren't given a chance to observe it for yourself. They bombarded your developing brain with it way before you could even form a cohesive thought. You were taught that it can be observed for quite a long while before you realized that it is possible to be observed and you had your aha moment as a child learning that 1 is a number and that values exist. Then you promptly forgot it and they taught it to you again. Your available set of experiences are inextricably interwoven into your culture since before you existed. Just like everyone else. You've never had a thought of your own. All of your thoughts are a product of either your biology and so your ancestors or your very specific place in this system over which you never had much more than a modicum of control. Your body was conceived, gestated and born to understand mathematics. You probably had observations of your own that were cast aside because you were told to and because children have an endless supply of observations that don't make sense or have any basis in reality. Observations are not at all infallible.


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Open mind, open heart, open book.



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