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Your arguments can apply, but you have to take them to such an absurd extreme that it would be unreasonable...
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Yes. Again, as long as you recognize that reasonable is your opinion.
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: healing]
#22109767 - 08/19/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, can't argue with you there.
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So I agree with your opinion that values very likely have some concrete existence beyond that which humans perceive.
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I guess it was a perspective issue,
...But I still see math as free from everything objective, free from the values we impose on it, free from subjectivity of any mind, it is the one truth, and regardless of the mental tricks you must play to even attempt to deny it, it is universal and universally objective, it's the closest example of truth we have.
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I agree, but our feeble approximation is a social construct.
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: healing]
#22109784 - 08/19/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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...I guess anything outside of math and chemistry could be seen as a social construct.
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: healing]
#22109787 - 08/19/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What the hell does Benadryl have to do with anything?
I wasn't going to respond because frankly your arguments are really starting to bug me. You are phrasing sentences that in a grammatical and descriptor way make sense, but in logic just completely break down. I'm just not even going to bother trying to debate that shit. There's no point. Not because your argument is iron clad and impenetrable, but because it's just so far out there it has no business in a realistic debate.
Yes, we can't prove anything with absolute certainty, because we can't even prove that we're "real" however that doesn't apply on the level you're applying it to. In whatever plane of real or unreal existence we live in, everything we experience is as real as we are. Unless you're trying to argue that billions of people all exist in a different plane than you do, yet you're able to interact with all of us. If I pick up 2 oranges and hand them to 5 billion other people one by one, they are also going to be holding 2 oranges. They are not going to dispute they are holding 2 oranges. The only problem in this scenario is you. Who is somehow skeptical they are holding a value of 2 oranges.
Are we in the Matrix and you're Neo and somehow the laws of our world don't apply to you? I really doubt it.
Anyways I'm done with it. But what does Benadryl have to do with anything? Is that the red pill?
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Math is one of our most basic social constructs. It's our limited minds' attempt at understanding a universe that reaches far beyond our conception. The system from which we attempt to reason some order is far too vast for some bunch of apes. Math and science are a product of a group of cultures, our best work, yes, but still a work in progress, you'll agree.
Any thought, any concept is a social construct, or do you not remember all of the people, and energy, and money that went into teaching it to you?
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healing said: It is a series of three symbols which were created by humans. There is no special significance to any group of any symbols of any kind beyond that which is given to them by humans because they are all social constructs and nothing more.
Except numbers which existed before the social constructs, we did not invent math, we discovered it.
3.141592653...(PI)
1.61803398875 (the golden ratio) (phi)
These numbers to have intrinsic universal significance
(The number 9 is spiritually significant in Buddhism, for many reasons, but it's properties being one
Write numbers 1-8, one line running up one line running down as pictured below
1 8 2 7 3 6 4 5 5 4 6 3 7 2 8 1
They become the multiples of 9
18 27 36 45 --- 54 63 72 81
And they all equal 9 when added:
1+8 = 9 2+7 = 9 3+6 = 9 4+5 = 9 5+4 = 9 6+3 = 9 7+2 = 9 8+1 = 9
It's these properties that led man to attribute significance to number 9.)
-E. Borodin
This kind of stuff is all specific to base 10 though, so these are properties of the decimal system more than they are properties of the number 9. I'm pretty sure it works with whatever number is the highest digit in a given base.
In octal for example:
07 in base 8 is 7 in base 10 (7 * 1) 16 in base 8 is 14 in base 10 (7 * 2) 25 in base 8 is 21 in base 10 (7 * 3) 34 in base 8 is 28 in base 10 (7 * 4) 43 in base 8 is 35 in base 10 (7 * 5) 52 in base 8 is 42 in base 10 (7 * 6) 61 in base 8 is 49 in base 10 (7 * 7) 70 in base 8 is 56 in base 10 (7 * 8)
0 + 7 = 7 1 + 6 = 7 2 + 5 = 7 3 + 4 = 7 4 + 3 = 7 5 + 2 = 7 6 + 1 = 7 7 + 0 = 7
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: psi]
#22109797 - 08/19/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Take a huge dose of benadryl and try to count.
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: healing]
#22109804 - 08/19/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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And I'm to discover what exactly?
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: healing]
#22109807 - 08/19/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Benadryl is a powerful deliriant. Have you ever been delirious? If you'll give it a try, you'll never take the obviousness of your existence for granted again.
One, green, flower, I'm dying oh my god I'm dying, five...
You'll come up with some numbers you won't even believe.
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: healing]
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Yes I have. I just wanted to make sure what I was supposed to learn. I know what delirium is, I'm far more acquainted with it than I really would like to be. I never took a bunch of benadryl to get high, but I've done it a number of times for other reasons and I'm not talking "10 pills". I have also been delirious via other means more than once (the last being having a rotovirus and puking every 20-30 minutes for 4 days straight).
Believe me when I say you're not on some higher plane of existence than me because you got delirious. I have been there, plenty of times. Yet somehow I'm still sitting here opposing your views. Odd.
Though now your arguments make more sense.
And if you think I'm just saying that, look back through my posts, you can forum search my name and benadryl. You'll find I've talked about it more than once, usually to warn someone off of taking high doses as if the high was worth it (one quite recently as a matter of fact).
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22109828 - 08/19/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah. You do drugs, so your arguments don't have any value. Except you also took the same drug right? You're kind of dumb dude.
We already hashed this all out above, man. Stop dragging the conversation down. I'm trying to completely derail a thread here.
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: healing]
#22109829 - 08/19/15 05:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seriously, you think in fucking movie references.
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22109849 - 08/19/15 06:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I argue based on logic. You argue based on some completely insane and surreal set of "facts" you've managed to concoct out of who knows where, although heavily based purely on semantics. Yet I'm the dumb one.
I think in movie references? No. Point one out in this whole thread besides the ONE post where it was relevant to what I was trying to describe. That's not thinking in movie references, that's referencing a movie when it's relevant to the point.
I'm sorry I'm not bowing down to your ridiculous bullshit. I'm sure you're used to minds crumbling before your awe inspiring knowledge, I am not impressed. You sound like every single other prophet spouting inane bullshit in the midst of a trip. However for reasons I can't determine, you seem to be stuck in that mindset. Most people just kinda leave that shit behind in the trip, because most people adhere to logic. Even those who do bring some of it back, like me, we don't start trying to spout it off as if it's fact.
Tonight, even in the other thread, is not the first time you've attempted to challenge me with ridiculous rhetoric. We've been here before, and I usually just ignore it. But tonight I didn't feel like doing so.
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22109853 - 08/19/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude. You're still stuck on the skepticism point I made on page two. We've moved way past that. Did you read about how I believe it's reasonable to believe that numbers have some concrete value beyond human perception? What aren't you getting? Catch up with the conversation or make good on your promise to leave.
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: healing]
#22109866 - 08/19/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm annoyed that I had to bring up skepticism in the first place. You all should know what a social construct is already. This is a psychedelic drug message board. Why am I having to prove the definition of a social construct? Whatever, i like teaching and arguing with people. Especially this guy: -E. Borodin. He learns fast and is one of my new favorite members.
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Re: What's the signifigance of the number 133? [Re: healing]
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Conversations shift and they lag. We've not moved past anything until you can flat out admit that if you're holding one object and I hand you another that you're now holding 2 objects. Which you have yet to do. The closest you've gotten is admitting it could be a possibility or is "reasonable". That's since you want to pick my post apart.
However, the overall message of what I just typed has nothing to do with your skepticism. It's that you're batshit crazy and you're used to people not being able to show you the error in your thoughts and are now getting angry because I am defying that paradigm.
I also said I wasn't going to continue to debate your ridiculous ideas, which I'm not. I'm now stating my opinion of you. For someone who wants me to catch up, you sure don't seem able to.
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