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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Hobozen]
    #22109330 - 08/19/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

heehee

:ohyou:

Are you shopping at the mall with women? (jk just a tease)


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22109337 - 08/19/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

For the longest time, I think until I was 7 or 8, I thought that it was normal to lucid dream.

I'd have recurring dreams, specifically of a strange fishing spot that was at the basin of a waterfall with ivy covered wood panels on the sides. Everything had a soft oversaturated lighting, kind of like a cheezy 80's porno set(didn't make that connection until later), while elevator music played in the background.

Sometimes I had difficulty distinguishing events that happened in my dreams from reality, with constant déjà vu every time I traveled to new locations.

When I started smoking weed at age 12 my dream recall began to decrease. I've been slowly getting it back over the last few years though.


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: pachoo]
    #22109342 - 08/19/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lol: knew i worded that wrong.  the malls come first because they contain the women.  doesn't work as easily if you just try to manifest a dream entity.  but dang do those dream tongues feel real :eek:  memory and the senses of the tongue must be closely associated.


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Hobozen]
    #22109356 - 08/19/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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blankk said:
:lol: knew i worded that wrong.  the malls come first because they contain the women.  doesn't work as easily if you just try to manifest a dream entity.  but dang do those dream tongues feel real :eek:  memory and the senses of the tongue must be closely associated.




Hahah I just saw an opportunity.

But I totally understand. God I love sexy dreams..... :drooling:

I guess it is pretty hard to manifest someone else, I actually do get alot of hollow feeling dreams where it's mostly scenery.... hmmm


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #22109358 - 08/19/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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For the longest time, I think until I was 7 or 8, I thought that it was normal to lucid dream.

I'd have recurring dreams, specifically of a strange fishing spot that was at the basin of a waterfall with ivy covered wood panels on the sides. Everything had a soft oversaturated lighting, kind of like a cheezy 80's porno set(didn't make that connection until later), while elevator music played in the background.

Sometimes I had difficulty distinguishing events that happened in my dreams from reality, with constant déjà vu every time I traveled to new locations.

When I started smoking weed at age 12 my dream recall began to decrease. I've been slowly getting it back over the last few years though.





Oh gosh that just reminded me of a dream that I used to have when I was a kid. Except it was like a ladies changing room.... It wasn't pleasant because ...um...bad stuff happened. I hope yours was tho.


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: pachoo]
    #22109367 - 08/19/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I went lucid a few times. But only once have I actually controlled something I couldn't think of anything except skateboarding so a skateboard appeared and I was skateboarding down a hill. Then I woke up.


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #22109394 - 08/19/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

dang only a few times?? put on a nicotine patch and take some huperzine 3-4 hours before you wake up or just before the sun starts coming up and you're almost guaranteed to go lucid.  you could go lucid almost every night if you wanted to but it gets draining after a while.  dreams are always really weird on huperzine too, like walking through portals that take you to alien dreamscapes or giant trees coming to life and telepathically communicating with you.  the huperzine gives the dreams a direction of its own it seems, i think it's derived from a plant


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Hobozen] * 1
    #22109396 - 08/19/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A test matrix utilizing six different supplements: galantamine, huperzine A,
nicotine, bupropion, propranolol, and an amino acid blend was used to show that lucid
dreams are strongly facilitated when two neurochemical events take place
simultaneously: (1) dopaminergic and adrenergic stimulation coupled with (2)
cholinergic and/or glutamateric stimulation.

The substances were chosen due to their different pharmacological properties and
several combinations resulted in lucid dreams 100% of the time. The two most successful
combinations were galantamine/propranolol and the amino acid blend however other
combinations also led to very high success rates: huperzine/bupropion,
galantamine/nicotine, and huperzine/nicotine.

The summary of this work indicates that vivid dream states can be induced using
cholinergic, glutamateric, dopaminergic, and adrenergic stimulation either independently
or in various combinations, which in turn leads to an increase in odds of inducing a lucid
dream. However, when dopaminergic and adrenergic stimulation occurs simultaneously
with cholinergic and/or glutamateric stimulation, there is a significant increase in lucid
dream facilitation. The role of melatonin as it relates to galantamine’s effectiveness is
also discussed.





substances_that_facilitate_lucid_dreaming_-_a_case_study.pdf


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Hobozen]
    #22109410 - 08/19/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:takingnotes:

I've never done it this way... Seems interesting.


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Hobozen]
    #22109414 - 08/19/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

On some level I wish I could just lucid dream all the time. On the other, I know it would be bad for me. I can't really imagine ever wanting to wake up if I could just do whatever I wanted in a dream (which feels completely real at the time).

Why wake up and face reality, when you can have and do anything you want in a dream? It's even kinda like being a heroin junkie. Why face your depressing, agonizing or mundane life, when you can shoot up and make everything great.

I think Holodecks would be bad for me as well, for the same reason as lucid dreaming.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22109436 - 08/19/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
On some level I wish I could just lucid dream all the time. On the other, I know it would be bad for me. I can't really imagine ever wanting to wake up if I could just do whatever I wanted in a dream (which feels completely real at the time).

Why wake up and face reality, when you can have and do anything you want in a dream? It's even kinda like being a heroin junkie. Why face your depressing, agonizing or mundane life, when you can shoot up and make everything great.

I think Holodecks would be bad for me as well, for the same reason as lucid dreaming.




What if you got lost in it and forgot that you even had a life outside of the holodeck? That would be like a kind of heaven for some people. If you could, why not? Who's going to judge you? You wouldn't know they're judging you, so fuck it. Go to heaven.


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: healing]
    #22109450 - 08/19/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There would have to be some kinda downside to it. Maybe it wouldn't really have a personality algorithm and would instead just read your brain to understand the dialog/outcome desired to build your perfect world, which in turn ended up killing you. Maybe having every thing you want or could ever want would just become so boring life wasn't worth living anymore and you'd off yourself, I dunno. I just know living your entire life in a Holodeck is bound to have some serious downsides. Getting lost in it would be very undesirable. I know I would though.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22109452 - 08/19/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
On some level I wish I could just lucid dream all the time. On the other, I know it would be bad for me. I can't really imagine ever wanting to wake up if I could just do whatever I wanted in a dream (which feels completely real at the time).

Why wake up and face reality, when you can have and do anything you want in a dream? It's even kinda like being a heroin junkie. Why face your depressing, agonizing or mundane life, when you can shoot up and make everything great.

I think Holodecks would be bad for me as well, for the same reason as lucid dreaming.




:lol: the only negative for me is that i start becoming more lucid and sensitive in the waking state too, which is too much for me. i like the comforts of the ego. 

at least that's how it feels with the aid of huperzine, not sure if it's the dreams in themselves.


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22109459 - 08/19/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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There would have to be some kinda downside to it.



Why?


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: healing]
    #22109468 - 08/19/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Because nothing that good is ever free of downsides. It's like a law of nature or something. Downsides can be mitigated or entirely nullified by moderation, but usually when you just dive in and refuse to surface from something that good, it ends badly. For example, opiates are great, and if you can truly exercise self control/moderation, they're not really that bad for you. But if you can't, things are going to get very bad.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Edited by Shroomslip (08/19/15 01:48 AM)


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22109480 - 08/19/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, things can get weird fast.


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Re: Have You Ever Controlled A Dream? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22109484 - 08/19/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Because nothing that good is ever free of downsides. It's like a law of nature or something. Downsides can be mitigated or entirely nullified by moderation, but usually when you just dive in and refuse to surface from something that good, it ends badly. For example, opiates are great, and if you can truly exercise self control/moderation, they're not really that bad for you. But if you can't, things are going to get very bad.




I've had many eternities of pure goodness that were never tainted, but I have also had many eternities of hell. Some holodeck heavens can be perfect forever. I don't think you would allow any of yours to be, though.


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