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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: qman]
#22110585 - 08/19/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a pool billiards teammate (age 70) that is a little overweight but does try to eat well and studies nutrition, ect.
One day we were playing at the pool hall and he noticed a very over weight man with 2 children, he went up to the guy and said he has some very good DVD's in his car that help people who are overweight and he was willing to let him have it for free, they guy refused.
He wasn't trying to shame the man, he was just talking to him about how he had to deal with losing weight and these DVD videos really helped him out, but again he was getting in someone's personal business. 
Advice is easy to give and hard to take. It's usually best to offer advice when and only when it is asked for.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
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SurReality said: seriously walking in to a grocery store and you're bitching about fat people??? what about bitching about the fucking parents in a grocery store, or how about people who just stand and talk to someone they know and just ran into and give no room for other people who are actually there to buy groceries???
How about walking into a grocery store and not bitching about anything do you people really go around looking at people thinking "look at that fat ass" or "Look at that shitty parent with thier bratty child" seriously?
uh, objection to that last thing. I was at the doctors office recently when some woman came in with her kid(probably 4-5) downing this massive sugary slushie, and he was just going crazy. She was talking to the receptionist because they knew eachother, and this kid was just going completely nuts - at first I was just like 'holy fuck, that is a lot of sugar for a kid', and me and this old guy just silently tolerated it not wanting to really interact with anyone - but then he got up on top of a fucking glass table. The poor guy ended up having to basically babysit this kid while his mom payed 0 attention so this kid wouldn't hurt himself.
I will silently judge those people with all my might while simultaneously being too chicken to speak up.
Wow I dont think like that at all. I prob would have done something if I thought the kid was actually in danger of hurting themselves but I wouldnt really think badly of the parent really. I mean kids act out all the time and I'm not a parent but from what ive seen im sure it gets exhusting. That goes back to my point of you dont know that person at all they could have been having the most hectic day of their life with that kid.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: bukkake]
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if you think people who use more taxes ought to pay higher taxes, why not say to hell with what is paid for by taxes in the first place and have everyone pay their own bills? i mean there are still CHARITABLE organizations that give everyone equal help with no discrimination (ie food banks) why can't the same idea work with health?
Let's begin with old people and the disabled. Same logic. Case in point, no one other than the person himself/herself knows why the fuck they're fat. People with down syndrome are statistically more overweight than the general population. Getting into social Darwinistic dreams about taxes we should just execute them.
what's wrong with darwinism? darwin didin't even believe survival of the fittest, that was a tiny element in his theory. in fact darwin was more for working with other and helping. but there is a difference between taxes and charity. taxes isn't charity, its more of a robin hood idea except the different is you don't steal from the rich you steal from everyone.
and where the hell do you get execution from darwin??
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: SurReality]
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Taxes are not stealing from people. He was trying to point out how dangrous and backassward it is to label a group of people as a "burden to society" or whatever
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: SurReality]
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SurReality said: meh, i think it makes more sense to just pay your own bill. some people who are fat might actually be perfectly healthy or at least not use any more healthcare than other healthy people.
if you think people who use more taxes ought to pay higher taxes, why not say to hell with what is paid for by taxes in the first place and have everyone pay their own bills? i mean there are still CHARITABLE organizations that give everyone equal help with no discrimination (ie food banks) why can't the same idea work with health?
Let's begin with old people and the disabled. Same logic. Case in point, no one other than the person himself/herself knows why the fuck they're fat. People with down syndrome are statistically more overweight than the general population. Getting into social Darwinistic dreams about taxes we should just execute them.
what's wrong with darwinism? darwin didin't even believe survival of the fittest, that was a tiny element in his theory. in fact darwin was more for working with other and helping. but there is a difference between taxes and charity. taxes isn't charity, its more of a robin hood idea except the different is you don't steal from the rich you steal from everyone.
and where the hell do you get execution from darwin??
"Social Darwinism" is something distinct from Darwin's own personal views. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22110627 - 08/19/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i wasn't labeling anyone a burden to society. it was more of a disrupt to the flow of traffic.
i mean is it ok to park in the middle of an intersection? no its fucking idiotic, its just people don't understand that traffic is in more places than just a regulated road. and just because you can't get ticketed for blocking a shopping isle doesn't mean you should.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: psi]
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if you think people who use more taxes ought to pay higher taxes, why not say to hell with what is paid for by taxes in the first place and have everyone pay their own bills? i mean there are still CHARITABLE organizations that give everyone equal help with no discrimination (ie food banks) why can't the same idea work with health?
Let's begin with old people and the disabled. Same logic. Case in point, no one other than the person himself/herself knows why the fuck they're fat. People with down syndrome are statistically more overweight than the general population. Getting into social Darwinistic dreams about taxes we should just execute them.
what's wrong with darwinism? darwin didin't even believe survival of the fittest, that was a tiny element in his theory. in fact darwin was more for working with other and helping. but there is a difference between taxes and charity. taxes isn't charity, its more of a robin hood idea except the different is you don't steal from the rich you steal from everyone.
and where the hell do you get execution from darwin??
"Social Darwinism" is something distinct from Darwin's own personal views. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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SurReality said: seriously walking in to a grocery store and you're bitching about fat people??? what about bitching about the fucking parents in a grocery store, or how about people who just stand and talk to someone they know and just ran into and give no room for other people who are actually there to buy groceries???
How about walking into a grocery store and not bitching about anything do you people really go around looking at people thinking "look at that fat ass" or "Look at that shitty parent with thier bratty child" seriously?
uh, objection to that last thing. I was at the doctors office recently when some woman came in with her kid(probably 4-5) downing this massive sugary slushie, and he was just going crazy. She was talking to the receptionist because they knew eachother, and this kid was just going completely nuts - at first I was just like 'holy fuck, that is a lot of sugar for a kid', and me and this old guy just silently tolerated it not wanting to really interact with anyone - but then he got up on top of a fucking glass table. The poor guy ended up having to basically babysit this kid while his mom payed 0 attention so this kid wouldn't hurt himself.
I will silently judge those people with all my might while simultaneously being too chicken to speak up.
Wow I dont think like that at all. I prob would have done something if I thought the kid was actually in danger of hurting themselves but I wouldnt really think badly of the parent really. I mean kids act out all the time and I'm not a parent but from what ive seen im sure it gets exhusting. That goes back to my point of you dont know that person at all they could have been having the most hectic day of their life with that kid. 
I think it's sometimes safe to draw certain conclusions about people when their actions speak it. She seemed like a friendly lady, and eventually she found the kid a coloring book after she sat down, still doesn't mean she wasn't absolutely careless in that instance. I'm not saying she's a bad person. But her inattentiveness put her kid in danger and placed the burden on a complete stranger, if that guy didn't tell that kid to get his ass down(I would've told him myself if he hadn't, but I wouldn't confront the mom) then it might've broke and that kid could've been really, really hurt while his mom was gossiping with the receptionist.
I think that's irresponsible parenting. I didn't care that he was running around like a madman, I thought it was nuts she gave him that much sugar because holy fuck a little kid on a sugar high is a handful that I imagine is a big pain in the butt to deal with especially in public but as long as she's willing to bear that responsibility then I don't care - - ultimately I don't care until someone else is affected by their choice. In this case it's not only her, but it's her kid, and ultimately the guy who intervened.
Everyone makes judgements, it's our nature - to judge someone about something arbitrary, their way of dress, their sexuality, their choices, appearance, etc is childish - but when someone shows blatant disregard for another person's safety(or emotions), I will judge those actions.
Again, it doesn't make them a bad person overall, but I'm not obligated to agree with or like anyone, I'm obligated to respect that all of us are different and flawed and that they are very much allowed to be something I don't like or agree with without my interference. I very much subscribe to live and let live, you don't have to love everyone to be respectful of what they choose to do or not to, you just have to agree to disagree. If anything she imposed herself on other people by forcing someone else to ensure the safety of her own child.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
#22110704 - 08/19/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well i suppose your right. I'm not saying that i dont judge people im jus saying I dont walk around jus passing judgment on strangers as a form of entertainment or whatever if I do its rarely a vile thought more like oh that guy is noticably large and i guess it takes me alot to become outraged
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22110718 - 08/19/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I don't take cheap shots. It takes a lot to get me more than mildly grumpy, I'm mostly caught up with the absurdity of the world and of the people in it - I just couldn't believe she let her kid do a fucking jig on a glass table(the flimsy kind) and kept shooting the shit with the receptionist without a care in the world.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22110721 - 08/19/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn brah, ur ripppedZz
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
#22110735 - 08/19/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LOl clealy youve never been a little boy that kid is prob a menace shes prob seen him fall outta a tree or something atleast
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
#22110776 - 08/19/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you have a male with a BMI of 40, so someone who is genuinely obese, the odds of them reaching and maintaining a healthy weight are *drumroll* 1 in 1290 source
1 in 1290
Which means that any advice to lose weight amounts to little more than torturing someone who's already in a very bad position.
If someones advice at best has a 0,078% chance of achieving the intended result, isn't it safe to say that its just a crock of shit?
1 in 1290 can turn it around under any circumstances. Thats a metabolic derangement, not a state of mind.
Once people are at BMI 40 their bodies are near irreversibly (99,92%) broken.
So FUCK OFF with the bullshit advice. If any of that five cent advice was actually doable for an obese patient you'd see a double digit percent cure rate, not 0.078%
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Asante]
#22110898 - 08/19/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: you people don't even realize how infected you are with the police/nanny state ideaology's. they want you to try and control each other, what you should do is mind your fucking buisness. controlling each other is why we have so many stupid laws in this country. if everyone minded their own buisness they wouldn't be able to pass stupid laws. every time you rub your nose in someone elses buisness you are passing that ideaology along, like a virus or infection
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RanOutOfWeed said: If it only effected him I wouldn't care, but sadly his obesity effects the tax payers, environment, animals, etc.
That mentality right there. That is the cancer eating society.
These two comments right here. Read them, RanoutofWeed, then read them again. Read them every day when you wake up and go to bed, until you start to understand what is being said here.
I've got nothing else to add, really. Asante, Makaveli... great posts, you guys.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Asante]
#22110988 - 08/19/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can safely say that I have never been a little boy, but I was still hardcore. I got trampled by a horse when I was 6 during a riding lesson, dragged upside down along side of a running horse around the same age, and hit the ground very hard a lot growing up, but she definitely wouldn't have been cool with me in that instance.
There's always inherent risk that comes with life, but shattering a glass table because you decided to dance around on top of it is definitely one of the few risks that you can significantly reduce lol - obviously it wasn't his fault or anything, and I guess if you're gonna take your chances and risk getting seriously hurt then a doctors office is the place to do it 
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Asante said: If you have a male with a BMI of 40, so someone who is genuinely obese, the odds of them reaching and maintaining a healthy weight are *drumroll* 1 in 1290 source
1 in 1290
Which means that any advice to lose weight amounts to little more than torturing someone who's already in a very bad position.
If someones advice at best has a 0,078% chance of achieving the intended result, isn't it safe to say that its just a crock of shit?
1 in 1290 can turn it around under any circumstances. Thats a metabolic derangement, not a state of mind.
Once people are at BMI 40 their bodies are near irreversibly (99,92%) broken.
So FUCK OFF with the bullshit advice. If any of that five cent advice was actually doable for an obese patient you'd see a double digit percent cure rate, not 0.078%
I've heard people pull a few different percentages out regarding successful weight loss - those so called statistics are much less concrete than people think. http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/25/health/95-regain-lost-weight-or-do-they.html
Additionally, you speak of metabolic derangement, which is interesting because, as I mentioned previously in the thread, I have an autoimmune disease that is systemically destroying my thyroid, it is being treated now and I feel a lot better, but it was non functional without medication, in the future it might just be surgically taken out but it's too soon to tell, I was losing hair, was freezing, depressed, would sleep for days at a time, my throat constantly hurt and I had a bad cough for the better part of a year because my thyroid was swollen. I was well into the second stage(out of three stages) of the disease, which if left untreated can be deadly and in addition to metabolism really fucks with your heart, your brain. It sucks, I get it.
The law of thermodynamics dictates that weight loss is about calories - yes hormones and metabolic speed can influence your BMR, but not quite as much as people make out. http://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/ Still makes life harder, but again, weight loss is simple not easy. People want to look for some big secret behind it all, but the so called 5 cent advice is the answer, and the law of physics is the thing that makes it absolute.
And sorry, but if I have a friend or family member who is experiencing dangerous health issues or is obviously struggling emotionally, I'm going to ask if they need help. They are more than welcome to tell me to fuck off, that's a risk I'll take if there's a chance they'll accept help or at least know they're not alone and that I care. I'm not talking about stating the obvious advice I'm talking about being gym buddies(I've been way too tired to exercise for the past year, so I need a good push myself), and making goals to be healthier together. Change isn't easy.
But whatever, people can do whatever they want.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: LOl clealy youve never been a little boy that kid is prob a menace shes prob seen him fall outta a tree or something atleast
I can safely say that I have never been a little boy, but I was still hardcore. I got trampled by a horse when I was 6 during a riding lesson, dragged upside down along side of a running horse around the same age, and hit the ground very hard a lot growing up, but she definitely wouldn't have been cool with me in that instance.
There's always inherent risk that comes with life, but shattering a glass table because you decided to dance around on top of it is definitely one of the few risks that you can significantly reduce lol - obviously it wasn't his fault or anything, and I guess if you're gonna take your chances and risk getting seriously hurt then a doctors office is the place to do it 
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Asante said: If you have a male with a BMI of 40, so someone who is genuinely obese, the odds of them reaching and maintaining a healthy weight are *drumroll* 1 in 1290 source
1 in 1290
Which means that any advice to lose weight amounts to little more than torturing someone who's already in a very bad position.
If someones advice at best has a 0,078% chance of achieving the intended result, isn't it safe to say that its just a crock of shit?
1 in 1290 can turn it around under any circumstances. Thats a metabolic derangement, not a state of mind.
Once people are at BMI 40 their bodies are near irreversibly (99,92%) broken.
So FUCK OFF with the bullshit advice. If any of that five cent advice was actually doable for an obese patient you'd see a double digit percent cure rate, not 0.078%
I've heard people pull a few different percentages out regarding successful weight loss - those so called statistics are much less concrete than people think. http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/25/health/95-regain-lost-weight-or-do-they.html
Additionally, you speak of metabolic derangement, which is interesting because, as I mentioned previously in the thread, I have an autoimmune disease that is systemically destroying my thyroid, it is being treated now and I feel a lot better, but it was non functional without medication, in the future it might just be surgically taken out but it's too soon to tell, I was losing hair, was freezing, depressed, would sleep for days at a time, my throat constantly hurt and I had a bad cough for the better part of a year because my thyroid was swollen. I was well into the second stage(out of three stages) of the disease, which if left untreated can be deadly and in addition to metabolism really fucks with your heart, your brain. It sucks, I get it.
The law of thermodynamics dictates that weight loss is about calories - yes hormones and metabolic speed can influence your BMR, but not quite as much as people make out. http://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/ Still makes life harder, but again, weight loss is simple not easy. People want to look for some big secret behind it all, but the so called 5 cent advice is the answer, and the law of physics is the thing that makes it absolute.
And sorry, but if I have a friend or family member who is experiencing dangerous health issues or is obviously struggling emotionally, I'm going to ask if they need help. They are more than welcome to tell me to fuck off, that's a risk I'll take if there's a chance they'll accept help or at least know they're not alone and that I care. I'm not talking about stating the obvious advice I'm talking about being gym buddies(I've been way too tired to exercise for the past year, so I need a good push myself), and making goals to be healthier together. Change isn't easy.
But whatever, people can do whatever they want.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
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That was a case of misused reply to feature. Sorry.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Asante]
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Skinny and healthy arent the same thing Being fat is a sign of a metabolic problem, probably lifestyle induced
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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i'm sure that has a lot to do with it... but some people ask me how i don't get fat, when i'm usually out of shape and don't eat healthy... but the answer is pretty much the same reason i'm not a coke addict or binge on drugs longer than a few day. i can't afford it. being fat is like any other addiction, at least for the vast majority, you have an abundance of resources at your disposal.
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