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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: sprinkles]
    #22115091 - 08/20/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I consider obesity in the same league as shooting dope, especially when you are one of those people that needs a crane to take you out of your home.




obesity is a really broad term though.  i weigh 220 (5'9-10) so i'm obese, but it wouldnt take a fucking crane to get me out of the house :facepalm: my 65 year old dad could drag me out ffs

i'd say obesity is more comparable to snorting dope, than shooting it.


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His fat ass is driving up the cost of health care and if anyone should be pissed its you.  fucking glutton.  quit shoving food down your throat ya fat bastard.




aren't you also driving up healthcare by always needing free birth control and STD tests from clinics?


also, just because someones fat doesnt mean they constantly go to the doctor or abuse health care systems :lol:




sounds like something a fat person would say.

I paid for those abortions with health insurance I have through my employer.  My std tests are all positive.  Also I do not go to the doctor.




yeah, i'm fat. its funny how angry it makes you

also, fat people have health insurence as well, so it doesnt matter if you have insurence or not. your still a burden on someone else because of how much of a slut you are


did it irritate you that i called you a slut? cause its really no different than calling a fat person fat


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22115093 - 08/20/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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His fat ass is driving up the cost of health care and if anyone should be pissed its you.  fucking glutton.  quit shoving food down your throat ya fat bastard.




aren't you also driving up healthcare by always needing free birth control and STD tests from clinics?


also, just because someones fat doesnt mean they constantly go to the doctor or abuse health care systems :lol:




I consider obesity in the same league as shooting dope, especially when you are one of those people that needs a crane to take you out of your home.



I consider your posts to be superfluous at best


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Adolin]
    #22115095 - 08/20/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

im not angry at all, you obviously dont know me if you think that is my anger.

you sound mad tho and if i offended you i'm sorry.  im sure it isnt easy being overweight and eating is like drug addiction.


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: sprinkles]
    #22115099 - 08/20/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i am mad. but i accept your sincere apology


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Adolin]
    #22115121 - 08/20/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i am sorry gresh

I rarely say that because i never am, but i am :hug:


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: sprinkles]
    #22115131 - 08/20/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I consider myself lucky. I eat fast food a couple times a week usually and rarely do much of any excercise and my diet is shit. I am skinny as fuck tho.


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22115132 - 08/20/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

genetics.


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: sprinkles]
    #22115337 - 08/20/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22115372 - 08/20/15 05:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nutrients are important, but the law of thermodynamics literally dictates that it is in fact, all about calories when it comes to influencing one's weight in any way.




thats complete bullshit tho, because you can switch to atkins, eat all the fucking food you want, and still lose weight.  They actually say right on the atkins diet thing you can eat as much as you want and its true.  if you cut your carbs to below 20-10 you enter ketosis and your body switches from carbs/sugar to fat for energy.  carbs also cause your body to hoard water weight as water is needed for insulin or some shit which is needed for breaking down carbs.

i was 330lbs went on atkins, ate all the fucking food i wanted and still lost 30lbs my first month, it was likely all water weight but still




Low carb/atkins is one of the most successful and popular weight loss methods for a few reasons :
- increased fiber consumption if followed correctly.

- too many simple carbs/starches and too little protein wreak havoc on your blood sugar, aside for short bursts of energy carbs aren't long lasting stable sources of energy/fuel, and are not as efficient as protein and fat at satiating people's hunger.

- additionally, lean meat/protein is often not high calorie in and of itself, you can eat more food while consuming less calories and are much more likely to stay full. Weight loss is easiest at the weight you start the process at and your TDEE at that weight would allow you a good amount of calories for maintainence or losing, and when you're eating food that is more satiating, and your blood sugar is more stable, you get fuller quicker. The lower your weight gets, the less calories your body needs for your metabolic setpoint, and at that weight it's very normal for people to experience very rapid weight loss in the beginnings, and then find they have to adjust their diet to adapt to their body.

-Ketosis. The process is way too complex to get too indepth on but basically, carbs produce glucose which your body uses as energy - a portion of that is converted into glycogen(important for your cells, and muscles, and brain and stuff) and is stored in your liver and in your muscles. While glycogen levels remain stable in the liver, going low/no carb will cause your body to use the glycogen in your muscles as energy instead, this in turn increased the rate of fat oxidation/"Fat burning" and also helps manage insulin. Did you actually count calories on it? Did you first use an online calculator to figure out your BMR and TDEE, and then actually log and see what you were eating? Because I'd bet dollars to donuts that you were in fact eating at a deficit, but thanks to the magic of fat and protein, you were simply less hungry.

- Additionally, ketosis usually suppresses appetite, and it can and will act somewhat similar to a diuretic so you are right about water weight, but your chances of actual fat loss are greater with atkins and low carb diets. 

So yeah, I totally believe you lost lost a lot in a month eating what you wanted with atkins,the thing is that you wanted less, and your body was likely going through ketosis or starting to. Ketosis and appetite suppression would explain you not feeling hungry, too.




naw i didn't want less, i actually wanted more because i had cravings for all the old shit i used to eat.  so to avoid breaking the diet id just stuff my face with shit that i could have on atkins.  Quiet a few things on atkins are high in cals like tbone steaks which i ate on a daily basis.  i tried to avoid hamburgers and processed meats best i could but its actually really hard to get away from that shit.  Thats why i had to eat so many steaks because thats litterally just about the only thing thats not processed. 

last i looked basically 1 high cal steak takes you over the recommended cals per day, but that might be for a low cal diet but thats basically what your suggesting so same thing.  which  i think was like 1k calz or 1200 maybe 1500 tops?  and surprizingly some steaks are right around 1k.  so needless to say i was double or tripple the recommended calz easily

1 example is cheese sticks for snacks, id have 6 of them which is 600 calz......so yah add in a meal or 2 more and the calz in my drinks and you can kiss the low cal shit goodbye


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22115438 - 08/20/15 05:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

1200-1300 calories would be way, way WAY lower than you would ever need to eat at a starting weight of 300 lbs to lose weight - and lose it pretty rapidly and fast, nonetheless.

1200 calories is what I ate when my BMR was at it's absolute lowest, my thyroid is essentially shut down and is possibly going to be surgically removed in the future, I'm 5'5 and 130lbs, and 1200 calories is way way too low for the TDEE of someone my size and it very abnormal - hence people go to doctors, have blood and antibody tests done, and end up on medication for the rest of their lives, case and point : me.


I've got to get moving this morning, so I am not going to go into as much detail as I'd like, but I've given you nothing but cold hard, researched, facts and information, and you can take it or leave it but not bothering to actually educate yourself about this stuff is the only thing that will actually guarantee that you won't be successful trying to lose weight.


You have just all but stated your ignorance about this subject and of caloric needs and the role they play, I've been repeating over and over and over again that people need to calculate their Total Daily Estimated Expenditure(aka TDEE). How the fuck can you draw conclusions about weight loss if you don't even know how much your body(based on size, gender, and age and activity level) needs simply to maintain your weight. No gain, no loss. It takes five fucking seconds to google TDEE calculator and type in your stats.
Weight loss is purely dependent on a caloric deficit, larger people require more food to maintain their weight and vice versa for smaller people, it differs from one individual to the other - but no matter who you look at, if they eat lower than they're TDEE they will lose weight, how fast they lose it is determined but what their calorie deficit is.

Seriously, this is exact kind of ignorance I've been talking about constantly in this thread, so many people have no idea about even the basics of nutrition and how your body processes and digests and uses food, and then they throw up their hands and deny everything despite scientific research, societal trends, and again, the fucking laws of thermodynamics(aka undisputed law of nature).


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22115481 - 08/20/15 06:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Im in a bit of a hurry thia morning, so I didnt read it yet. I dont see a rule that we have to use every calorie we eat. Using psysics for this seems like some depac chopera shit. Calories are a strange measure for what food is used for. It is a measure of energy, and tells very little about what is chemically going on. Does our body have to use every calorie? Camt we shot some out?


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22115509 - 08/20/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I eat like shit, and although I exercise a lot at work, I rarely do cardio or go to the gym.

I'm fit as a motherfucker, but I still rail on fat people for their shitty diets and shitty exercise agenda.

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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22115946 - 08/20/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Im in a bit of a hurry thia morning, so I didnt read it yet. I dont see a rule that we have to use every calorie we eat. Using psysics for this seems like some depac chopera shit. Calories are a strange measure for what food is used for. It is a measure of energy, and tells very little about what is chemically going on. Does our body have to use every calorie? Camt we shot some out?




I've never been clear on whether calories exclusively measures energy useable by our metabolism or not. For example, does fiber count? Its chemical bonds contain energy that is released when you physically burn it with fire, but our body doesn't consume calories using fire and fiber is excreted with its chemical bonds intact. In fact I'm pretty sure that digesting (or not digesting, as the case may be) fiber actually burns calories.

Oh, and for anybody who wants to improve their diet without thinking too much, there's your hot tip-- get tons of fiber. Bam. Fills you up and stems your appetite, plus it helps ya poop good. Win-win.


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22116056 - 08/20/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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1200-1300 calories would be way, way WAY lower than you would ever need to eat at a starting weight of 300 lbs to lose weight - and lose it pretty rapidly and fast, nonetheless.

1200 calories is what I ate when my BMR was at it's absolute lowest, my thyroid is essentially shut down and is possibly going to be surgically removed in the future, I'm 5'5 and 130lbs, and 1200 calories is way way too low for the TDEE of someone my size and it very abnormal - hence people go to doctors, have blood and antibody tests done, and end up on medication for the rest of their lives, case and point : me.


I've got to get moving this morning, so I am not going to go into as much detail as I'd like, but I've given you nothing but cold hard, researched, facts and information, and you can take it or leave it but not bothering to actually educate yourself about this stuff is the only thing that will actually guarantee that you won't be successful trying to lose weight.


You have just all but stated your ignorance about this subject and of caloric needs and the role they play, I've been repeating over and over and over again that people need to calculate their Total Daily Estimated Expenditure(aka TDEE). How the fuck can you draw conclusions about weight loss if you don't even know how much your body(based on size, gender, and age and activity level) needs simply to maintain your weight. No gain, no loss. It takes five fucking seconds to google TDEE calculator and type in your stats.
Weight loss is purely dependent on a caloric deficit, larger people require more food to maintain their weight and vice versa for smaller people, it differs from one individual to the other - but no matter who you look at, if they eat lower than they're TDEE they will lose weight, how fast they lose it is determined but what their calorie deficit is.

Seriously, this is exact kind of ignorance I've been talking about constantly in this thread, so many people have no idea about even the basics of nutrition and how your body processes and digests and uses food, and then they throw up their hands and deny everything despite scientific research, societal trends, and again, the fucking laws of thermodynamics(aka undisputed law of nature).




i said 1200 cals for 1 steak bro thats not even counting the sides, other meals, snacks :facepalm:


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22116087 - 08/20/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

also like i said that number is of a typical low cal diet which was what you were suggesting

http://www.webmd.com/diet/low-calorie-diets

they even say as low as 800 cal, i seen you write that shit before about losing weight is only about low cals, you don't know what your talking about and you sir are the one who should stop spewing wrong info around.  i proved you wrong, it's not just about cals. and when you were proven wrong, now you're trying to say i needed more cals?  do you even know how to argue your own side of the debate?


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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22116375 - 08/20/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP healthy sees a person who maybe no one helps or has no idea about proper eating and to a healthy person someone that big would look like a stormcloud.

the mind of society would rebuke OP effort.

the way work is now adays you have to really accept that its a machine and when you do you'll get it and you'll see that individual wasn't the target and that it was your mistake to approach the individual and if you had the idea to  insulate the problem with your effort for the sake of giving it perspiration, you would approach the whole. You wouldnt have been made embarrased equally as the 100 gallon barrel looking guy, and instead been flamed all the same in youtube comments for having tried to tackle a "large" issue.

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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: TravelerOfSorts]
    #22117610 - 08/20/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree,fiber is amazing. Been butingthese organic cans of chilli beans, since I do eat alot of cheese and peanut butter. Fiber feeda good gut bacteria and helps you produce mucen. The last Rohnda Patric episode of Joe Rogan had alot about that.


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    #22118367 - 08/20/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm pretty tired of all these savages with no sigs or avatars.

Only koraks is allowed to do that, everybody else needs a quick visual ID that I don't have to zoom in to read.


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    #22118395 - 08/20/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22124200 - 08/21/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Only koraks is allowed to do that, everybody else needs a quick visual ID that I don't have to zoom in to read.





Fully agree :yesnod:

Funny that Koraks is the only one I also remember without a ava/sig :lol:


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