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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22113948 - 08/19/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You mean that everybody caught by the police in possession of fattening food should be forced to go to fat camp? I'm pretty sure that's what you mean.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#22113993 - 08/19/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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*Insert holocaust joke*
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Achillita]
#22114024 - 08/19/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont know about you guys but anne frank can totally get it.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: LackToast] 1
#22114204 - 08/19/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anne Frankly, I think you're right
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22114336 - 08/19/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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um, you guys obviously haven't heard of starvation mode and how it makes you fat. idk what was going on then, but starving doesn't lead to weight loss, that's a straight up fact, fat people were in concentration camps but the fat shaming media just doesn't like to bring it up.
people don't get that when you lose weight your body needs less food to maintain, so whatever amount of calories made you lose before are probably enough to for weight loss to slow down dramatically because you don't have as much of a deficit to help move things along. Hence, the term plateau.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
#22114503 - 08/19/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It isnt all about calories. You just need to gice your body some decent nuteients, get your fats in order, and excersize. Stay moving, aboid getting pulled into the chair or couch.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
#22114534 - 08/19/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: um, you guys obviously haven't heard of starvation mode and how it makes you fat. idk what was going on then, but starving doesn't lead to weight loss, that's a straight up fact, fat people were in concentration camps but the fat shaming media just doesn't like to bring it up.
people don't get that when you lose weight your body needs less food to maintain, so whatever amount of calories made you lose before are probably enough to for weight loss to slow down dramatically because you don't have as much of a deficit to help move things along. Hence, the term plateau.
Are you saying that I should stop eating all together? Like absolutely no more food, EVER?
Im just fuckin around, some interesting stuff you said there
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22114783 - 08/19/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: It isnt all about calories. You just need to gice your body some decent nuteients, get your fats in order, and excersize. Stay moving, aboid getting pulled into the chair or couch.
Nutrients are important, but the law of thermodynamics literally dictates that it is in fact, all about calories when it comes to influencing one's weight in any way. Yes, BMRs differ from person to person, but research shows that slow metabolisms are not nearly slow enough to account for the morbidly obese, let alone the prevalence of people here who transcend that and are actually defined as super morbidly obese. Slow metabolism may make you gain 25, maaaybe 30 pounds, but the caloric difference between a low metabolism and a normal one is not enough to make you severely obese. Your weight will stabilize when your intake matches your TDEE(total daily estimated expenditure), unless you're eating more than you need. Thyroid disorders are not nearly common enough to cause incredibly wide spread obesity - 4.6% of the population have an underactive thyroid, and while there are undiagnosed people out there, there are a lot of other symptoms that usually make people feel terrible enough to seek out doctors to figure out wtf is wrong.
There are certain, rare conditions where the person who has it truly is fucked from the get go and has very little chance of controlling their weight, but again, I'm not talking about someone with thyroid issues or hormone inbalances, I'm talking about people who literally are missing chromosomes or have non functioning ones(see; prader willi).
It's crazy how common it is for people to hold the belief that weight gain and weight loss can happen without adjusting your calorie intake. Nutrition is important, and junk food will often make someone hungrier because of the sugar and starches, and it will fuck up your blood sugar all ways to Sunday, but you could eat the worst junk food available all the time, and as long as you ate less than your TDEE, you will lose weight. Healthy? No. And someone who is losing weight on a long term diet of junk is probably malnourished to some extenT.
And once again, the laws of physics is what makes calories in/calories out a cold hard indisputable fact. Do some people have an easier time maintaing, losing, or gaining weight? Yeah. Do some people have a harder time do those? Yes. But that's not accountable for extreme obesity and it's sure as shit not accountable for how widespread severe obesity is here, and it is within your power to control your weight regardless - it's simple, not easy.
Again, the law of physics dictates this, http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/10/13/obesity-and-diet-the-first-law-of-thermodynamics/
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pirate-blues said: um, you guys obviously haven't heard of starvation mode and how it makes you fat. idk what was going on then, but starving doesn't lead to weight loss, that's a straight up fact, fat people were in concentration camps but the fat shaming media just doesn't like to bring it up.
people don't get that when you lose weight your body needs less food to maintain, so whatever amount of calories made you lose before are probably enough to for weight loss to slow down dramatically because you don't have as much of a deficit to help move things along. Hence, the term plateau.
Are you saying that I should stop eating all together? Like absolutely no more food, EVER?
Im just fuckin around, some interesting stuff you said there
ya but only if you are committed to making sweet gainz and getting swole, otherwise not eating is gonna make you fat.
And thanks, nutrition interests me enough to read about it a bit in my spare time and it's been one of the most effective treatments of depression and bipolar disorder I've tried, including a whole array of meds(Now I take a combo of meds that work for me, and try to focus of using food to help my mood and overall wellbeing).
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
#22114960 - 08/20/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nutrients are important, but the law of thermodynamics literally dictates that it is in fact, all about calories when it comes to influencing one's weight in any way.
thats complete bullshit tho, because you can switch to atkins, eat all the fucking food you want, and still lose weight. They actually say right on the atkins diet thing you can eat as much as you want and its true. if you cut your carbs to below 20-10 you enter ketosis and your body switches from carbs/sugar to fat for energy. carbs also cause your body to hoard water weight as water is needed for insulin or some shit which is needed for breaking down carbs.
i was 330lbs went on atkins, ate all the fucking food i wanted and still lost 30lbs my first month, it was likely all water weight but still
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22114987 - 08/20/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fact people that are hopeless should maybe try stimulants as a last resort. I don't know one fat meth addict.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22115006 - 08/20/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've met a few. It definitely happens.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#22115022 - 08/20/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: I've met a few. It definitely happens.
Imagine them without the meth then.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22115026 - 08/20/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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His fat ass is driving up the cost of health care and if anyone should be pissed its you. fucking glutton. quit shoving food down your throat ya fat bastard.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22115034 - 08/20/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Imagine them without the meth then. 
I knew one who quit actually. He did get a bit fatter but not much
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22115071 - 08/20/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nutrients are important, but the law of thermodynamics literally dictates that it is in fact, all about calories when it comes to influencing one's weight in any way.
thats complete bullshit tho, because you can switch to atkins, eat all the fucking food you want, and still lose weight. They actually say right on the atkins diet thing you can eat as much as you want and its true. if you cut your carbs to below 20-10 you enter ketosis and your body switches from carbs/sugar to fat for energy. carbs also cause your body to hoard water weight as water is needed for insulin or some shit which is needed for breaking down carbs.
i was 330lbs went on atkins, ate all the fucking food i wanted and still lost 30lbs my first month, it was likely all water weight but still
Low carb/atkins is one of the most successful and popular weight loss methods for a few reasons : - increased fiber consumption if followed correctly.
- too many simple carbs/starches and too little protein wreak havoc on your blood sugar, aside for short bursts of energy carbs aren't long lasting stable sources of energy/fuel, and are not as efficient as protein and fat at satiating people's hunger.
- additionally, lean meat/protein is often not high calorie in and of itself, you can eat more food while consuming less calories and are much more likely to stay full. Weight loss is easiest at the weight you start the process at and your TDEE at that weight would allow you a good amount of calories for maintainence or losing, and when you're eating food that is more satiating, and your blood sugar is more stable, you get fuller quicker. The lower your weight gets, the less calories your body needs for your metabolic setpoint, and at that weight it's very normal for people to experience very rapid weight loss in the beginnings, and then find they have to adjust their diet to adapt to their body.
-Ketosis. The process is way too complex to get too indepth on but basically, carbs produce glucose which your body uses as energy - a portion of that is converted into glycogen(important for your cells, and muscles, and brain and stuff) and is stored in your liver and in your muscles. While glycogen levels remain stable in the liver, going low/no carb will cause your body to use the glycogen in your muscles as energy instead, this in turn increased the rate of fat oxidation/"Fat burning" and also helps manage insulin. Did you actually count calories on it? Did you first use an online calculator to figure out your BMR and TDEE, and then actually log and see what you were eating? Because I'd bet dollars to donuts that you were in fact eating at a deficit, but thanks to the magic of fat and protein, you were simply less hungry.
- Additionally, ketosis usually suppresses appetite, and it can and will act somewhat similar to a diuretic so you are right about water weight, but your chances of actual fat loss are greater with atkins and low carb diets.
So yeah, I totally believe you lost lost a lot in a month eating what you wanted with atkins,the thing is that you wanted less, and your body was likely going through ketosis or starting to. Ketosis and appetite suppression would explain you not feeling hungry, too.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: pirate-blues]
#22115075 - 08/20/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My only issue with fat people is the odor a lot of them have.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: sprinkles]
#22115078 - 08/20/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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sprinkles said: His fat ass is driving up the cost of health care and if anyone should be pissed its you. fucking glutton. quit shoving food down your throat ya fat bastard.
aren't you also driving up healthcare by always needing free birth control and STD tests from clinics?
also, just because someones fat doesnt mean they constantly go to the doctor or abuse health care systems
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22115081 - 08/20/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes.
btw the secret to losing weight is simple. EAT LESS MOVE MORE.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Adolin]
#22115082 - 08/20/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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sprinkles said: His fat ass is driving up the cost of health care and if anyone should be pissed its you. fucking glutton. quit shoving food down your throat ya fat bastard.
aren't you also driving up healthcare by always needing free birth control and STD tests from clinics?
also, just because someones fat doesnt mean they constantly go to the doctor or abuse health care systems 
I consider obesity in the same league as shooting dope, especially when you are one of those people that needs a crane to take you out of your home.
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Re: Why Do I Have To Act Like Obese People Are Normal? [Re: Adolin]
#22115087 - 08/20/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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sprinkles said: His fat ass is driving up the cost of health care and if anyone should be pissed its you. fucking glutton. quit shoving food down your throat ya fat bastard.
aren't you also driving up healthcare by always needing free birth control and STD tests from clinics?
also, just because someones fat doesnt mean they constantly go to the doctor or abuse health care systems 
sounds like something a fat person would say.
I paid for those abortions with health insurance I have through my employer. My std tests are all positive. Also I do not go to the doctor.
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