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information on power magic
    #22108224 - 08/18/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard of people incorporating psychedelics into pagan power magic and witchcraft. I know nothing about this stuff but am very curious, aside from a few brief discussions I've never researched any of this. In the discussions I have had they made it seem like shamanism only your goals involve altering the way things in the outside world function, bringing the magician fortune and his enemy's ruin.

Before I began my shamanic practice (2012) I would not listen to discussions on such things, now I find myself very curious, any information or resources would be appreciated.

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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22108594 - 08/18/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Voodoo is another practice i have heard of psychedelic incorporation to, though I'm interested in voodoo regardless.

Most of what's online seems pretty generic, however pagan magic, witchcraft/sorcery, voodoo, and shamanic power magic are of great interest to me at this point, however I was seeking information  a little more real than a Google search will turn up.

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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22124349 - 08/21/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

All good Magic is Foundated on a Solid understanding of Alchemy..Magic and Metaphors..the cost of the Wheel is Vicious.. and so are too the same things done over and over..the world is a place of constant change..and to understand your place..and what the common coll(Zeitgeist)ective Current is..is to truly begin to understand the Great Power of Magic..and therein it is an Idea of Upholding information to the very point of meaning..and that meaning in and of itself, can be about magic...And always be reasonable..Jesus Christ walked this Earth and Performed Miracles...to Honestly have this type of Faith..and understanding is a Perfect Background to forming a Function of Information For Magical Purposes...Which in an Endeavour..can bring Honest Rewards..if one is honest..and that truthfull stand is where all information comes from anyways..


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Re: information on power magic [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22126643 - 08/22/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

magick and psychs are all just placebo :crazy2:


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Re: information on power magic [Re: akosi]
    #22126797 - 08/22/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

postmodern magic is really good book for beginners.
it really demystifies the whole process and makes it something even materialists would understand.

magic is really all about metaphor and symbol. it's simpler than alot of people think. people like crowley make it really hard to understand, but it's not difficult.


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Re: information on power magic [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22129752 - 08/23/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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All good Magic is Foundated on a Solid understanding of Alchemy..Magic and Metaphors..the cost of the Wheel is Vicious.. and so are too the same things done over and over..the world is a place of constant change..and to understand your place..and what the common coll(Zeitgeist)ective Current is..is to truly begin to understand the Great Power of Magic..and therein it is an Idea of Upholding information to the very point of meaning..and that meaning in and of itself, can be about magic...And always be reasonable..Jesus Christ walked this Earth and Performed Miracles...to Honestly have this type of Faith..and understanding is a Perfect Background to forming a Function of Information For Magical Purposes...Which in an Endeavour..can bring Honest Rewards..if one is honest..and that truthfull stand is where all information comes from anyways..




When I was young I loved learning about Rudolph the second the alchemical emperor, and his would be replacement Friedrich the 5th, Rudolph's alchemical empire was not to be, a hapsburg army from southern Spain was dispatched to lay siege to Prague ending this non-Christian magical empire, which they did...Though Rene Descartes was part of this hapsburg army, and in ulm, germany he had a dream of an angel, who gave him the foundations for modern science...

I also would study John Dee and Edward Kelly, and their alchemical work, specially with entity contact and their angelic language "enochian".....sadly while visiting Rudolph the 2nd, Kelly made the claim that he could preform the alchemical opus, and Rudolph basically held Dee and Kelly hostage until this feat was preformed....Kelly died while trying to sneak out of the castle, a ceramic roof tile slipped from his feet, sending him falling from a high tower...since it was Kelly who made the claim Dee was set free...Dee was a spy for queen Elizabeth 1, some say he only used alchemy as an excuse to gain entry into foreign courts, where he would use the coding methods of Johannes Trithemius that were published in his "Steganographia" to send messages to queen Elizabeth regarding political and military matters, Dee was an intelligence agent who used his alchemical presentations to gain access to otherwise closed kingdoms......

(In terence mckenna's movie "the alchemical dream" he portrays himself as John Dee walking through the streets of Prague, mckenna has been accused of being a government spy, how fitting of an analogy, just like Dee did not believe in magic or alchemy and used it to gain entry into tight communities that he was to spy on, mckenna did not believe in psychedelia, and was using his lecture presentations to gain entry into the underground psychedelic community, where he reported back to the feds..., This is all nonsense in reality, but it would have been just like mckenna to portray himself as John Dee if he was in fact a spy in the same way Dee was...)

"Dormiens vagila" it means while sleeping watch, and was the text over the alchemists door in "the epitome of the spiritual alchemist", or "religious mystic", is illustrated in a curious drawing of an alchemist in his laboratory, which appeared in Henry Khunrath's Amphitheatrum Sapientiae Aternae (Amphitheater of Eternal Wisdom), published at Hanau, Germany, in 1609...

"While sleeping watch" has become my psychedelic motto, though I have altered it to mean "while hallucinating pay attention"

Alchemy is an interest of mine, and does dive into the magic I'm speaking of...

I'm a practicing shaman, and have had much success with entity contact, though attempting to actually "do" anything in these contact situations seems impossible....

Which is why power magic interests me, the are using spirit contact to enact changes in the out-side world...

As a shaman I'm an observer, but these power magic folks seem to be actually doing things, this is where I want to learn, I want to incorporate power magic into my shamanism.

(Though it does exist in shamanism to a degreee, shamans use spirit and animal helpers frequently...)

I'm looking for an experienced shaman or practitioner of power magic or voodoo, I want to learn some actual practices, but have only found cheap nonsense on the internet...

-E. Borodin


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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22129845 - 08/23/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have a theory, although I don't practice "magic"


One can alter their own perceptions. If you practice, you can "warp" reality and even hallucinate.



I hve to set the rest of this up with another theory. The infinate dream theory. The idea that this is a dream, when we sleep we dream, and when we "wake up" from THIS reality we go "up" a level, closer to TRUE reality.

And every "dream" splits up the consciousness of the reality before it, the consciousness becomes ideas, forces, people, etc etc.

Meaning we all pull from the same consciousness



So if we can alter our OWN reality, whats to say we cant somehow influence someone elses perceptions? Whats to say we can't tap into the universal consciousness and extend images/emotions?


This is something I will be persuing btw, although it will take many many years before I even know if its possible


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Re: information on power magic [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22130010 - 08/23/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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All good Magic is Foundated on a Solid understanding of Alchemy..Magic and Metaphors..the cost of the Wheel is Vicious.. and so are too the same things done over and over..the world is a place of constant change..and to understand your place..and what the common coll(Zeitgeist)ective Current is..is to truly begin to understand the Great Power of Magic..and therein it is an Idea of Upholding information to the very point of meaning..and that meaning in and of itself, can be about magic...And always be reasonable..Jesus Christ walked this Earth and Performed Miracles...to Honestly have this type of Faith..and understanding is a Perfect Background to forming a Function of Information For Magical Purposes...Which in an Endeavour..can bring Honest Rewards..if one is honest..and that truthfull stand is where all information comes from anyways..




Here's the deal with alchemy, it was the search for the "lapis philosophorum"

Entheogenic Shamanism has been in possession of the lapis philosophorum for thousands of years, and psychedelic chemistry has been in the possession of the lapis philosophorum since Albert Hoffman, Alexander shulgin, David E. Nichols, etc...

All of the goals of alchemy have been achieved in psychedelic shamanism...(and in the chemistry style of Alexander shulgin, Albert Hoffman, Arthur heffter, etc..)

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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
    #22130109 - 08/23/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I have a theory, although I don't practice "magic"


One can alter their own perceptions. If you practice, you can "warp" reality and even hallucinate.



I hve to set the rest of this up with another theory. The infinate dream theory. The idea that this is a dream, when we sleep we dream, and when we "wake up" from THIS reality we go "up" a level, closer to TRUE reality.

And every "dream" splits up the consciousness of the reality before it, the consciousness becomes ideas, forces, people, etc etc.

Meaning we all pull from the same consciousness



So if we can alter our OWN reality, whats to say we cant somehow influence someone elses perceptions? Whats to say we can't tap into the universal consciousness and extend images/emotions?


This is something I will be persuing btw, although it will take many many years before I even know if its possible




This is similar to where I'm at, though in entheogenic shamanic practice contact with entities, leaving the body to pass through the door which the dead pass daily, as well as between dimensions and between the stars is common practice, and through entheogenic shamanism the outer world is vastly effected, when the shaman drinks ayahuasca then sings into the patients body, and then is able to say "you have stomach parasites, if you eat this plant it will kill them" the shaman claims he was able to see the sound waves bounce through the patients body forming a visual image, and was able too literally see the parasites, this is something every tribal healer would need, it's the x-Ray of the jungle...
So it does impact reality....

Though in shamanism you learn your abilities, and you learn how to contact specific spirits on demand, and you gain psychic abilities and so on, but it's always as an observer who has intentionality regarding what he would like to be done in the situation, but ultimately it's up to the beings and will of hyperspace, where as in power magic they are taking direct control of these things...

I'm not sure I would want to practice power magic, it can have great consequences, I'm happy with my role as explorer and shaman, but I'm very very very curious about all this, I just want to know what the real deal is, perhaps speak with a pagan practitioner of magic, or a voodoo practitioner, or a shaman skilled in power magic, or a sorcerer or witch, the information on the internet seems severely lacking, and if there is something to all this I'm very interested...

As far as some of the hexes and curses and spells I've read I'm fairly sure that just projecting that level of negative energy into the universe towards someone may ultimately effect that person, same goes with their other spells, just the projection of that energy and will must have some effect. I'm particularly interested in their deities, like the "Loa" in Haitian voodoo such as papa legba, loko, Damballa, Ayida-Weddo, etc... as well as the pagan deities, and native american shamanic deities, as well as the magic traditions of all these various practices...

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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22130120 - 08/23/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Are you able to separate soul from body? If so - can you give me some tips? This is something Im trying to find out and have never had an out of body experience.

I also want to contact spirits. If I can ever do that - or leave my body - I will be convinced that spirituality is more than just mans creation.

I feel like sharing these abilities likely makes them less powerful... or stop working all together

I am not sure tho


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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
    #22134316 - 08/24/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Are you able to separate soul from body? If so - can you give me some tips? This is something Im trying to find out and have never had an out of body experience.

I also want to contact spirits. If I can ever do that - or leave my body - I will be convinced that spirituality is more than just mans creation.

I feel like sharing these abilities likely makes them less powerful... or stop working all together

I am not sure tho




Sharing your spiritual abilities with entheogenic shamanism  makes them no less powerful or no less functional, though depending on what the experience involves, some are meant to be shared, others kept to yourself, but using the techniques I describe will work no matter what....in most spiritual practice they say "keep trying! Believe more! Push! Try as hard as you can to reach this state!" Where with entheogenic shamanism most will say "where the fuck are the brakes! How do I slow this down!" It's overwhelming, and not entirely pleasant, but it's real, and you will know it's real.

When I was 6 years old I had my first psychedelic experience (though no psychedelics were involved) I remember thinking over and over "why am I alive?" With each repetition of the thought this "butter-fly" feeling in my stomach would intensify until eventually I could no longer recognize my surroundings, I was in a state identical to my later experiences with DMT....

I randomly had these "mystical" or "endogenous psychedelic" experiances until I was a teenager, at which point whether I liked it or not, I would have a psychedelic experience via LSD or psilocybin, the outside world would make the situation as such that there was no way I could not take the compound, I think at this point my psyche needed an external explanation for the experiences, for where they to keep happening on their own my psyche would break under the implications...

I still have constant mystical intervention in my reality, though now to leave my body I must use an entheogen.

DMT and DMT/MAOI combinations specifically work for this purpose, by the dose must be high, 200+mgs DMT crystals smoked in a single hit, or a large dose of high DMT ayahuasca or ayahuasca analogue never fails, and it works for those who don't believe it will, it's a very real way to experience first hand evidence of these things...

-E. Borodin


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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22134351 - 08/24/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Though it's not all fun and games, you will find that the key to life in death lies in the mind, you may find yourself in a psychological battle for your existence....you must be prepared to put yourself on the line, but you must do it with your wits about yourself, being educated and mentally equiped, knowing how to stay calm and not panic in an extreme crisis situation or situation of such extreme difference from anything you have ever known as a human is one of the most valuable skills you can have for this kind of thing...

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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22135331 - 08/24/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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glimpee said:
Are you able to separate soul from body? If so - can you give me some tips? This is something Im trying to find out and have never had an out of body experience.

I also want to contact spirits. If I can ever do that - or leave my body - I will be convinced that spirituality is more than just mans creation.

I feel like sharing these abilities likely makes them less powerful... or stop working all together

I am not sure tho




Sharing your spiritual abilities with entheogenic shamanism  makes them no less powerful or no less functional, though depending on what the experience involves, some are meant to be shared, others kept to yourself, but using the techniques I describe will work no matter what....in most spiritual practice they say "keep trying! Believe more! Push! Try as hard as you can to reach this state!" Where with entheogenic shamanism most will say "where the fuck are the brakes! How do I slow this down!" It's overwhelming, and not entirely pleasant, but it's real, and you will know it's real.

When I was 6 years old I had my first psychedelic experience (though no psychedelics were involved) I remember thinking over and over "why am I alive?" With each repetition of the thought this "butter-fly" feeling in my stomach would intensify until eventually I could no longer recognize my surroundings, I was in a state identical to my later experiences with DMT....

I randomly had these "mystical" or "endogenous psychedelic" experiances until I was a teenager, at which point whether I liked it or not, I would have a psychedelic experience via LSD or psilocybin, the outside world would make the situation as such that there was no way I could not take the compound, I think at this point my psyche needed an external explanation for the experiences, for where they to keep happening on their own my psyche would break under the implications...

I still have constant mystical intervention in my reality, though now to leave my body I must use an entheogen.

DMT and DMT/MAOI combinations specifically work for this purpose, by the dose must be high, 200+mgs DMT crystals smoked in a single hit, or a large dose of high DMT ayahuasca or ayahuasca analogue never fails, and it works for those who don't believe it will, it's a very real way to experience first hand evidence of these things...

-E. Borodin





Im super jealous of you - I've never had a truely spiritual experience

Have you left your body while sober? If so can you tell me how?


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Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069


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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22135346 - 08/24/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Though it's not all fun and games, you will find that the key to life in death lies in the mind, you may find yourself in a psychological battle for your existence....you must be prepared to put yourself on the line, but you must do it with your wits about yourself, being educated and mentally equiped, knowing how to stay calm and not panic in an extreme crisis situation or situation of such extreme difference from anything you have ever known as a human is one of the most valuable skills you can have for this kind of thing...

-E. Borodin





Im very aware of the dangers. I went too far as I got cocky and ended up ODing and punching my brother. It was the most horrible thing I've never done but I learned and grew a lot from it

Now, even if i think I create reality, I will never, ever swing on anything. Especially not to "test the boundaries of my creation."

I mean it wasnt quite an OD but I got taken away. I had another reality breaking experience two weeks later and I handled it, although it scared me


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Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.




Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069


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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
    #22139789 - 08/25/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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glimpee said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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glimpee said:
Are you able to separate soul from body? If so - can you give me some tips? This is something Im trying to find out and have never had an out of body experience.

I also want to contact spirits. If I can ever do that - or leave my body - I will be convinced that spirituality is more than just mans creation.

I feel like sharing these abilities likely makes them less powerful... or stop working all together

I am not sure tho




Sharing your spiritual abilities with entheogenic shamanism  makes them no less powerful or no less functional, though depending on what the experience involves, some are meant to be shared, others kept to yourself, but using the techniques I describe will work no matter what....in most spiritual practice they say "keep trying! Believe more! Push! Try as hard as you can to reach this state!" Where with entheogenic shamanism most will say "where the fuck are the brakes! How do I slow this down!" It's overwhelming, and not entirely pleasant, but it's real, and you will know it's real.

When I was 6 years old I had my first psychedelic experience (though no psychedelics were involved) I remember thinking over and over "why am I alive?" With each repetition of the thought this "butter-fly" feeling in my stomach would intensify until eventually I could no longer recognize my surroundings, I was in a state identical to my later experiences with DMT....

I randomly had these "mystical" or "endogenous psychedelic" experiances until I was a teenager, at which point whether I liked it or not, I would have a psychedelic experience via LSD or psilocybin, the outside world would make the situation as such that there was no way I could not take the compound, I think at this point my psyche needed an external explanation for the experiences, for where they to keep happening on their own my psyche would break under the implications...

I still have constant mystical intervention in my reality, though now to leave my body I must use an entheogen.

DMT and DMT/MAOI combinations specifically work for this purpose, by the dose must be high, 200+mgs DMT crystals smoked in a single hit, or a large dose of high DMT ayahuasca or ayahuasca analogue never fails, and it works for those who don't believe it will, it's a very real way to experience first hand evidence of these things...

-E. Borodin





Im super jealous of you - I've never had a truely spiritual experience

Have you left your body while sober? If so can you tell me how?





The only times it's happened while sober was when I was a child, it would always start with a thought that would give me this "falling" feeling in my stomach then progress to.a DMT identical state as a repeated the thought in my mind, the first time, as described in my previous postponed when I was 6:

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When I was 6 years old I had my first psychedelic experience (though no psychedelics were involved) I remember thinking over and over "why am I alive?" With each repetition of the thought this "butter-fly" feeling in my stomach would intensify until eventually I could no longer recognize my surroundings, I was in a state identical to my later experiences with DMT....




Now it only happens with entheogens, but the synchronicity leading to the entheogen consumption leads me to believe that I'm still powerless to control it...

-E. Borodin


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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
    #22139799 - 08/25/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Though it's not all fun and games, you will find that the key to life in death lies in the mind, you may find yourself in a psychological battle for your existence....you must be prepared to put yourself on the line, but you must do it with your wits about yourself, being educated and mentally equiped, knowing how to stay calm and not panic in an extreme crisis situation or situation of such extreme difference from anything you have ever known as a human is one of the most valuable skills you can have for this kind of thing...

-E. Borodin





Im very aware of the dangers. I went too far as I got cocky and ended up ODing and punching my brother. It was the most horrible thing I've never done but I learned and grew a lot from it

Now, even if i think I create reality, I will never, ever swing on anything. Especially not to "test the boundaries of my creation."

I mean it wasnt quite an OD but I got taken away. I had another reality breaking experience two weeks later and I handled it, although it scared me




All my experiences scare the hell out of me, but I've trained myself to keep calm, and pay as much attention as I can.

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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22144155 - 08/26/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ive had two "level 5" trips... but honestly they were level 6

I thought for a bit they were egodeath... they were not. All of reality ceased to exist except me. I was the center - the chosen one. And I was hallucinating on a level unimaginable to even me now.

I hope to separate from my body in the upcoming years... at least once. I have no reason to believe anything spiritual yet, but I want with all my heart for any of it to be true


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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
    #22148566 - 08/26/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yo, I heard this Quote from A Course in Miracles...it says:

There is nothing that faith cannot solve..which is saying ultimately that if you had perfect faith..you could do anything..and that would be therefore effective power magic...

So i think some of the spin offs of power magic, like working with your left hand..doing chaos magic and stuff..is there just to make you feel some wonder..or awe..or the essentially hack your reality to the degree in which you can begin to believe that you can change it necessarily..and then from magical will we progress to working Miracles..which can be seen at Night or In day..its the Sun...and the Moon working together!

Most of the problems of magic..are when you want to say turn the sun off and therefore Harm people..due to the Earth being cooled..for whatever reason..

But if you have good intentions..then the path is laid out for you..and thats salvation in a handbag!


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    #22149510 - 08/26/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Magic" is just a manipulation of perception, human bias and collective unconscious. It certainly can be used to change your and other's experiences but it doesn't actually change anything. While you can definitely use it to improve lives by changing perception to be more positive (or negative but, like, don't be a dick) it is important to be careful of delusion and psychosis. My own opinion, of course.


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Re: information on power magic [Re: withoutlabel]
    #22157279 - 08/28/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I used to think it was all about hallucination but I've witnessed sorcery before. External reality can be altered.


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    #22163491 - 08/30/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Ive had two "level 5" trips... but honestly they were level 6

I thought for a bit they were egodeath... they were not. All of reality ceased to exist except me. I was the center - the chosen one. And I was hallucinating on a level unimaginable to even me now.

I hope to separate from my body in the upcoming years... at least once. I have no reason to believe anything spiritual yet, but I want with all my heart for any of it to be true




It doesn't happen to everybody, in tribal culture the shaman would look for the children who were prone to having these experiences and select them for shamanic training...some people can have the experience and will not be able to recognize it, most people can't grasp the meaning of the the experiance, or won't be able to decode the information being shown to them, which is why it won't happen to everybody...

though it sounds like you have come close, but simply did not grasp the implications of what was happening to you, if the entire world around you was unrecognizable, and everybody and everything disappeared, it was just the other and you, then technically you left this universe...if your getting close but still not getting it, you need to work with a shaman, and only take committed (high) doses, and for the experience you are wanting I'd say only work with smoked DMT or high DMT containing ayahuasca or ayahuasca analogues.

It doesn't happen the way you think it would (though sometimes I literally have risen out of my physical body, being able to observe myself lying down and the room around me)...most the time it happens like this, you feel 100% sober, but your surroundings have transformed into something you can't recognize, you experience "zero-time", nothing resembles Newtonian 3 dimensional space and time, and this place is populated...this is where it starts, but it's very rare that it will be the way most people picture it to be...

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    #22163499 - 08/30/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I used to think it was all about hallucination but I've witnessed sorcery before. External reality can be altered.




Exactly!

Which is why I don't even bother to convince the non-believers, I have seen this stuff, I have experienced true change in the external world brought on by power magic/ sorcerery...

I just can't control it...

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    #22164502 - 08/30/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think it takes binds to darkness. It not worth it.


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    #22168057 - 08/31/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it takes binds to darkness. It not worth it.




This was another concern of mine, when you exert your influence against the flow of, for lack of a better word, fate, the consequences are generally not in your favor, which is why shamanism and Taoism to an extent teach you "how to find the flow and go with it" or "how to align yourself with the cosmic machinery so that it's working more for you than against you", the idea of actually trying to "do" anything or control anything seems impossible to me…which is why I was interested in power magic, and I still am, but interest and practice are two different things...

I mainly just wanted to speak with a sorcerer/witch, or voodoo practitioner to get some idea of what the deal is, and the information on the internet as unsatisfactory for me...

For voodoo practitioners, I'm very interested in "papa legba", he guards the gate between the human world and the spirit world and gives you access to the spirits, in shamanism I always see the plants as the guards of the gate, and by consuming the plants properly you gain access to hyperspace and it's denizens, I was curious, is "papa legba" a being that is performing the same function, though in a symbolic manner?

I actually enjoy that you must form a relationship with another living physical being, the plants, to access these realms in shamanism…
I was interested in who or what these people are forming relationships with to gain access to these beings and their dimensions...

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    #22176006 - 09/01/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

But wouldn't you say the same about religion, that the effects that religious activities have would be considered placebo? And considering placebo effect does indeed have an effect on the human psyche, one can assume that magic (ritual) coupled with psychedelics (An emotional catalyst) can have unprecedented effects. 100% scientifically it is guaranteed to have an effect on the person practicing the magic. It is when people start thinking that the magic effects the world outside them that things become unprovable and unapproachable. I have no experience with magic, paganism, any of these things, but I do plan on incorporating ritual in order to better induce a certain type of experience, and I do believe this has the potential to do a lot of things for you. But if you are trying to effect the physical world outside of yourself, you will be concentrating on doors and cupboards waiting for them to move for a long long time. This is in reply to the guy who said that psychedelics and magic are just placebo, as if it matters when it comes to a mind manifesting chemical.


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    #22176080 - 09/01/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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But if you are trying to effect the physical world outside of yourself, you will be concentrating on doors and cupboards waiting for them to move for a long long time. This is in reply to the guy who said that psychedelics and magic are just placebo, as if it matters when it comes to a mind manifesting chemical.




ahh you're missing the point of magic! it's not about literally bending physical matter -- it's about changing perception. it's about changing the way we interact with symbols. it's about altering our imagination--of ourselves, the world around us, etc.

the book i linked to earlier in the thread does a great job of explaining all of this. effective magicians bend and alter the symbolic plane not physical matter or energy itself.

everything is a symbol and that truth is the key of the magician. symbols can be altered (and even created from nothing).
so what magicians are truly working with is the non-physical. it just so happens that working with the non-physical can lead to legitimate changes in the physical subjective reality of the magician. that's because the outer world we see is a reflection of the inner reality we create.



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    #22177201 - 09/02/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you seek power through magick, you will not enjoy where it leads and who you become. Use the gift wisely and you will be taken care of.


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    #22182847 - 09/03/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you seek power through magick, you will not enjoy where it leads and who you become. Use the gift wisely and you will be taken care of.




I can't say I wish to practice it, I'm simply curious.

I have no desire to control things, or even influence things, I honestly just want to be left alone, and concerns involving social or financial gain or revenge do not interest me in any way.

I'm a very reclusive person, I read a good deal, and I do a good deal of notebook chemistry on my Free Time, I also like to study the nature around me , and that's where I spend most of my time, I gather as much information on the local plants, animals, and fungi as I can, so there's always something to work on. Even during a good deal of my psychedelic explorations I prefer to be alone in nature, sometimes alone in my home, and sometimes with a revered south American curandero and my small group of friends, though I prefer to spend most my time alone. I have my spiritual practice, which again, aside from a few close spiritual guides, is something where I just wish to be left alone. Then I have a small group of close friends, all amazing, open, good-hearted spiritual and smart people, and aside from these people I have no desire to interact with the outside world (forums like this are about as close as I come to socializing outside of my small group of friends)...so power magic would be fairly useless to me, well, it would not be practical anyway, but I'm still very interested in it...

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    #22185577 - 09/03/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Magic is interwoven into the fabric(ated) of existence..and John Dee was a saint..to be anything in History is indeed a saintly Calling..to go down in History is one of the Greatest things a man can Achieve..but it is what you do with your power that shows beyond the worlds so to speak..and in this you choose black magic..which is from Satan or Isis..maybe even Horus..or Osiris..but the mame calling is always from the book of God..God is a perfect Judge..to make that equipable is likely a line which is forming salvation..in general..the line is the chemists option of creating..to do the thing correctly..or get your dose right so to speak..the rest is just chaos..


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    #22191162 - 09/05/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Power magic actually scares me, revenge is not spiritual action, and a good deal of power magic spells are symbolically destroying a person (by tying knots in string while reciting curses, or by smashing chicken bones in the ashes of a person's burned photograph, symbolically smashing them while repeating a curse)...bad karma....It's brining negative forces into your conscious stream, and it's not spiritual action, the dhali lama had to flee his country, his people had to flee their country, which was taken by the Chinese, but the people seen leaving to India had smiles, they were still  happy, the dhali lama has never seeks any sort of revenge, because he knows the un-mindfulness that drives their actions, all he has ever said was he forgives them...the Tibetans demilitarized when Buddhism was established, a beautiful concept, but in a dangerous world...

Any way, I don't see how seeking revenge, or social success, or financial gain, or control over others can bring you anything but suffering in the long run and in the after death...

I've always been a passive observer, I plug my nose and jump and hope to God the water isn't rough and that I make it ok, I say to the mushroom, or the ayahuasca "I'm in your hands now, please go easy on me"...and its generally not until after I reach baseline conscious state that I'm able to sit down and process and derive meaning from the experience...

I'm curious though, how do these people try take control using magic? If they mixed psychedelics into their magic would they be as afraid of power magic as I am? Are the psychdelico' s who a practice power magic in combination with psychedelia? Are their consequences for their magic? What IS the deal here, I mean the real deal, I've never met a true pagan high priestess or sorcerer  Or voodoo practitioner before, and I'm curious, I'm still curious, I still don't know much about this stuff.

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    #22192417 - 09/05/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Psychedelics can be used but I doubt it's required.

Power magic as you put it is lower vibrational work...even if your intentions are good. Mostly be good it doesn't focus on connecting you with the true source which is the only thing you should be doing with spirituality. So by doing power magic or astral projection you are opening pandoras box or biting the apple so to speak


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    #22193833 - 09/05/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are various functions in the continuum of time..and one of them is the fabric of existence..which is here to now reffered to as Either Aether..or the Aeon...The meaningless betweens of Runes..For example Boaz, and Jachim..are the Single Unitarian approach to the Goodness of Human Beings..which in their Buddha Nature...are very nurturing and secure..the means of the Idol are like Lucifer..but everything can change..its not just the Soul that is Immortal..it is the way of life..the secret Archetypes in the things of the One Thousand Things..the Ten Thousand Things..is a Metaphor for a (F)B(I)ranching System..
And the ever endurotic effects are the nature of something more supreme..to the degree of the decimal for example..when decimals were created..it opened up a lot of Particularity..therein we could solidify fractions into Exact Measurements...and this is true for any system of being..which in to here to far a scrape..or just on Netscape..is the News is of the Hour..the Berries are of the Day..and the God Damn Butterfly..or Banana Spider is on the 6 O,Clock News..this is the Age of Revelation and Consumption..the news is on daily, but the body never disintegrates...but you would know that only if you have Grey Hair! This time of Casuistry is from the fields of Gold..or the time plate that Aliens Land on..they can go back and forth through time..and thats how they get away Plowing our Fields..of Gold..it is true what the Alchemists have said..that in Reincarnation you are brought into  a better body..one with the Spider..and the Scorpion..the meaning of Diligence is indeed on time..and the news worthy service of Mars..this is a secret story line for the republic to know..both Democrats and Republicans both speak of the nature of Trusim..which is that they are almost the same exact Person..only looking different in trim of beard..or speckles on the Cheek..the neatness of time is an understanding of the direct consumption..as a Gross national Byproduct...which includes waste..and differentiation..and therein lies the fundamental Quality...its water..Hey, we need H20 to live..and we are relying on water..to habituate our very abodes on Earth..it is a Great Suegeon..the Biing Bygones of the hithermost nature..which return to Earth as Drops of Rain..and they Disintegrate the Shadows of the Escarpment..the Mountains and Valleys..all are shaped by Water...Bruce Lee..said that water is formless...and the the continence is inside the holy Tabbernackle..and the word is a good Grass Software Program..and the Neon, Highlited Lights,, are the Best the World has ever Seen...We have to get away from this Classified nature of Systemising people.. but respond with honest awareness...from the Heart of Truth..which is what carries a Human Being, from Birth to Death.. The Beating of the Heart needs nothing to carry it for it shall remain here forever..and that is the Plausability of a section or news cast feature...the reasons are lost on the Lieutenant, and the Seargent is honestly a Corporal..and the General is lost to a Private..and the nature of Homosexuality carries on to this day..Adam didnt want to hurt Eve..and Eve never met to Transform into a Man and Rape Adam..but it happened...and now Adam is Afraid and what his wrath is..is only singularily compared to with Nature..he is the Creator..and So is God..and So are we the People of the Horizon..or the Zionist Jews..or the Demagogues..in the Senate and Congress...we need an honest facility to express who we are...WE ARE MUTATING..into Pyschics that have special skills..but tell me the last time you saw some use the Force or Shoot fireballs out of their hands..it is not true to ultimately say that it is impossible..but it very well may be Probable..

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    #22193860 - 09/05/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Secret Societies exist for a reason..most of the stuff is attempting to keep your body in someone elses body..and the news is the effort of the day..the (bruyn)briefcase is of the envelope of Knowledge..which if I respect myself in the mourning Id be weller Off..just in general..and I know I jest..but it is a Conclusion of the Gestalt..or the Manufactured features fo Nature..which are Grown from rock and Grail..the Quest to Land on the Moon..and Mars..is a Government Faction called FBI..we all want to land on the moon..and Plummet on top of the surface area squared..minus the square root of the trail of the Honest (Emperor)Penguin and the News is Glass, like on a shifting medium of hither to foreboding curiosity..and the movie is inside glass..and the meaning of the awareness is the thing of Cancer..inside and out..the needs are like Stars..inside and out..the Liquid of the Plumming..and the outerneeds of the pollution and Piping of Life..we need everything we have ever Created Necessarily..and survival of the Fittest is sharing..and inviting freinds over for Dinner...Funny We still Prey on lesser objects of nature..and there in we can Create a Cia..or FBI..Out of water..and purity and goodness..then no conspiracy theories would ever get their way.

Documents taken in Heist are needed therein..but only if you Heist Specifically..Maybe we just wanna be like movie stars..where we could rob a bank with our good friends..or join the Mafia..for example.. The Yakuza..or any other Billion Dollar Group!


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    #22193896 - 09/05/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We are wrenched into this world, as far as we know at no fault of our own, we are meant to live by the ways of the world we were born into whether we agree to its conditions or not, birth is your signature on the contract...for all the suffering and discomfort involved in being human, there better be some point to it all...

Nobody knows why we are here, or what we are supposed to be doing here, we don't even really understand what "here" even truly is...

...and non-existence may be a luxury not provided, I doubt there was non-existence before I was born and I doubt there will be non-existence after I die...

Why?

If there were ever a tombstone for humanities death, the epitaph would simply read "WHY?"

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    #22193940 - 09/05/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This planet is like a flower, it will begin, come to a beautiful bloom, only to die and wither into nothing, such build up of time, and intricate structure and detail just to see it dissolve into nothing, like the flower or the sand mandala

On ayahuasca, during the peak I will be shown amazing cities, these advanced civilizations, but by the end I'm viewing ruins...

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    #22225225 - 09/12/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Whats the best way to bring positive energy, and ensure spiritual protection from any and all negative forces?

Specially with in the realms of  an alchemical , Buddhist, gnostic Christian, or shamanic tradition?


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    #22229899 - 09/13/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

...avoid lesser minded beings, if people have no spirituality they can justify anything...they want to exert their will on others, they want to feel better than others, they perform every negative, shelfish, and mislead task they can, as if its going to make any difference, it will feed their ego, that's it, like the Romans marching to crucify Christ, that's how you should veiw these negative lesser forces, they have not been shown that we are all one, we are subjective incarnations of a single whole, and what you do unto others your doing unto yourself...
these people have a lesser understanding of the situation, all you can do is forgive them, they don't know any better.

I avoid most of humanity, most people are egotistical, selfish, violent, petty and ignorant, I don't blame them for it though, I pray for them.

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