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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
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glimpee said: Ive had two "level 5" trips... but honestly they were level 6
I thought for a bit they were egodeath... they were not. All of reality ceased to exist except me. I was the center - the chosen one. And I was hallucinating on a level unimaginable to even me now.
I hope to separate from my body in the upcoming years... at least once. I have no reason to believe anything spiritual yet, but I want with all my heart for any of it to be true
It doesn't happen to everybody, in tribal culture the shaman would look for the children who were prone to having these experiences and select them for shamanic training...some people can have the experience and will not be able to recognize it, most people can't grasp the meaning of the the experiance, or won't be able to decode the information being shown to them, which is why it won't happen to everybody...
though it sounds like you have come close, but simply did not grasp the implications of what was happening to you, if the entire world around you was unrecognizable, and everybody and everything disappeared, it was just the other and you, then technically you left this universe...if your getting close but still not getting it, you need to work with a shaman, and only take committed (high) doses, and for the experience you are wanting I'd say only work with smoked DMT or high DMT containing ayahuasca or ayahuasca analogues.
It doesn't happen the way you think it would (though sometimes I literally have risen out of my physical body, being able to observe myself lying down and the room around me)...most the time it happens like this, you feel 100% sober, but your surroundings have transformed into something you can't recognize, you experience "zero-time", nothing resembles Newtonian 3 dimensional space and time, and this place is populated...this is where it starts, but it's very rare that it will be the way most people picture it to be...
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Shining Cosmos said: I used to think it was all about hallucination but I've witnessed sorcery before. External reality can be altered.
Exactly!
Which is why I don't even bother to convince the non-believers, I have seen this stuff, I have experienced true change in the external world brought on by power magic/ sorcerery...
I just can't control it...
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I think it takes binds to darkness. It not worth it.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Shining Cosmos said: I think it takes binds to darkness. It not worth it.
This was another concern of mine, when you exert your influence against the flow of, for lack of a better word, fate, the consequences are generally not in your favor, which is why shamanism and Taoism to an extent teach you "how to find the flow and go with it" or "how to align yourself with the cosmic machinery so that it's working more for you than against you", the idea of actually trying to "do" anything or control anything seems impossible to me…which is why I was interested in power magic, and I still am, but interest and practice are two different things...
I mainly just wanted to speak with a sorcerer/witch, or voodoo practitioner to get some idea of what the deal is, and the information on the internet as unsatisfactory for me...
For voodoo practitioners, I'm very interested in "papa legba", he guards the gate between the human world and the spirit world and gives you access to the spirits, in shamanism I always see the plants as the guards of the gate, and by consuming the plants properly you gain access to hyperspace and it's denizens, I was curious, is "papa legba" a being that is performing the same function, though in a symbolic manner?
I actually enjoy that you must form a relationship with another living physical being, the plants, to access these realms in shamanism… I was interested in who or what these people are forming relationships with to gain access to these beings and their dimensions...
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Re: information on power magic [Re: akosi]
#22176006 - 09/01/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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But wouldn't you say the same about religion, that the effects that religious activities have would be considered placebo? And considering placebo effect does indeed have an effect on the human psyche, one can assume that magic (ritual) coupled with psychedelics (An emotional catalyst) can have unprecedented effects. 100% scientifically it is guaranteed to have an effect on the person practicing the magic. It is when people start thinking that the magic effects the world outside them that things become unprovable and unapproachable. I have no experience with magic, paganism, any of these things, but I do plan on incorporating ritual in order to better induce a certain type of experience, and I do believe this has the potential to do a lot of things for you. But if you are trying to effect the physical world outside of yourself, you will be concentrating on doors and cupboards waiting for them to move for a long long time. This is in reply to the guy who said that psychedelics and magic are just placebo, as if it matters when it comes to a mind manifesting chemical.
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BlacklightHorizon said: But if you are trying to effect the physical world outside of yourself, you will be concentrating on doors and cupboards waiting for them to move for a long long time. This is in reply to the guy who said that psychedelics and magic are just placebo, as if it matters when it comes to a mind manifesting chemical.
ahh you're missing the point of magic! it's not about literally bending physical matter -- it's about changing perception. it's about changing the way we interact with symbols. it's about altering our imagination--of ourselves, the world around us, etc.
the book i linked to earlier in the thread does a great job of explaining all of this. effective magicians bend and alter the symbolic plane not physical matter or energy itself.
everything is a symbol and that truth is the key of the magician. symbols can be altered (and even created from nothing). so what magicians are truly working with is the non-physical. it just so happens that working with the non-physical can lead to legitimate changes in the physical subjective reality of the magician. that's because the outer world we see is a reflection of the inner reality we create.
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Re: information on power magic [Re: resonant111]
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If you seek power through magick, you will not enjoy where it leads and who you become. Use the gift wisely and you will be taken care of.
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kosmokratorshaman said: If you seek power through magick, you will not enjoy where it leads and who you become. Use the gift wisely and you will be taken care of.
I can't say I wish to practice it, I'm simply curious.
I have no desire to control things, or even influence things, I honestly just want to be left alone, and concerns involving social or financial gain or revenge do not interest me in any way.
I'm a very reclusive person, I read a good deal, and I do a good deal of notebook chemistry on my Free Time, I also like to study the nature around me , and that's where I spend most of my time, I gather as much information on the local plants, animals, and fungi as I can, so there's always something to work on. Even during a good deal of my psychedelic explorations I prefer to be alone in nature, sometimes alone in my home, and sometimes with a revered south American curandero and my small group of friends, though I prefer to spend most my time alone. I have my spiritual practice, which again, aside from a few close spiritual guides, is something where I just wish to be left alone. Then I have a small group of close friends, all amazing, open, good-hearted spiritual and smart people, and aside from these people I have no desire to interact with the outside world (forums like this are about as close as I come to socializing outside of my small group of friends)...so power magic would be fairly useless to me, well, it would not be practical anyway, but I'm still very interested in it...
-E. Borodin
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Magic is interwoven into the fabric(ated) of existence..and John Dee was a saint..to be anything in History is indeed a saintly Calling..to go down in History is one of the Greatest things a man can Achieve..but it is what you do with your power that shows beyond the worlds so to speak..and in this you choose black magic..which is from Satan or Isis..maybe even Horus..or Osiris..but the mame calling is always from the book of God..God is a perfect Judge..to make that equipable is likely a line which is forming salvation..in general..the line is the chemists option of creating..to do the thing correctly..or get your dose right so to speak..the rest is just chaos..
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Power magic actually scares me, revenge is not spiritual action, and a good deal of power magic spells are symbolically destroying a person (by tying knots in string while reciting curses, or by smashing chicken bones in the ashes of a person's burned photograph, symbolically smashing them while repeating a curse)...bad karma....It's brining negative forces into your conscious stream, and it's not spiritual action, the dhali lama had to flee his country, his people had to flee their country, which was taken by the Chinese, but the people seen leaving to India had smiles, they were still happy, the dhali lama has never seeks any sort of revenge, because he knows the un-mindfulness that drives their actions, all he has ever said was he forgives them...the Tibetans demilitarized when Buddhism was established, a beautiful concept, but in a dangerous world...
Any way, I don't see how seeking revenge, or social success, or financial gain, or control over others can bring you anything but suffering in the long run and in the after death...
I've always been a passive observer, I plug my nose and jump and hope to God the water isn't rough and that I make it ok, I say to the mushroom, or the ayahuasca "I'm in your hands now, please go easy on me"...and its generally not until after I reach baseline conscious state that I'm able to sit down and process and derive meaning from the experience...
I'm curious though, how do these people try take control using magic? If they mixed psychedelics into their magic would they be as afraid of power magic as I am? Are the psychdelico' s who a practice power magic in combination with psychedelia? Are their consequences for their magic? What IS the deal here, I mean the real deal, I've never met a true pagan high priestess or sorcerer Or voodoo practitioner before, and I'm curious, I'm still curious, I still don't know much about this stuff.
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Psychedelics can be used but I doubt it's required.
Power magic as you put it is lower vibrational work...even if your intentions are good. Mostly be good it doesn't focus on connecting you with the true source which is the only thing you should be doing with spirituality. So by doing power magic or astral projection you are opening pandoras box or biting the apple so to speak
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There are various functions in the continuum of time..and one of them is the fabric of existence..which is here to now reffered to as Either Aether..or the Aeon...The meaningless betweens of Runes..For example Boaz, and Jachim..are the Single Unitarian approach to the Goodness of Human Beings..which in their Buddha Nature...are very nurturing and secure..the means of the Idol are like Lucifer..but everything can change..its not just the Soul that is Immortal..it is the way of life..the secret Archetypes in the things of the One Thousand Things..the Ten Thousand Things..is a Metaphor for a (F)B(I)ranching System.. And the ever endurotic effects are the nature of something more supreme..to the degree of the decimal for example..when decimals were created..it opened up a lot of Particularity..therein we could solidify fractions into Exact Measurements...and this is true for any system of being..which in to here to far a scrape..or just on Netscape..is the News is of the Hour..the Berries are of the Day..and the God Damn Butterfly..or Banana Spider is on the 6 O,Clock News..this is the Age of Revelation and Consumption..the news is on daily, but the body never disintegrates...but you would know that only if you have Grey Hair! This time of Casuistry is from the fields of Gold..or the time plate that Aliens Land on..they can go back and forth through time..and thats how they get away Plowing our Fields..of Gold..it is true what the Alchemists have said..that in Reincarnation you are brought into a better body..one with the Spider..and the Scorpion..the meaning of Diligence is indeed on time..and the news worthy service of Mars..this is a secret story line for the republic to know..both Democrats and Republicans both speak of the nature of Trusim..which is that they are almost the same exact Person..only looking different in trim of beard..or speckles on the Cheek..the neatness of time is an understanding of the direct consumption..as a Gross national Byproduct...which includes waste..and differentiation..and therein lies the fundamental Quality...its water..Hey, we need H20 to live..and we are relying on water..to habituate our very abodes on Earth..it is a Great Suegeon..the Biing Bygones of the hithermost nature..which return to Earth as Drops of Rain..and they Disintegrate the Shadows of the Escarpment..the Mountains and Valleys..all are shaped by Water...Bruce Lee..said that water is formless...and the the continence is inside the holy Tabbernackle..and the word is a good Grass Software Program..and the Neon, Highlited Lights,, are the Best the World has ever Seen...We have to get away from this Classified nature of Systemising people.. but respond with honest awareness...from the Heart of Truth..which is what carries a Human Being, from Birth to Death.. The Beating of the Heart needs nothing to carry it for it shall remain here forever..and that is the Plausability of a section or news cast feature...the reasons are lost on the Lieutenant, and the Seargent is honestly a Corporal..and the General is lost to a Private..and the nature of Homosexuality carries on to this day..Adam didnt want to hurt Eve..and Eve never met to Transform into a Man and Rape Adam..but it happened...and now Adam is Afraid and what his wrath is..is only singularily compared to with Nature..he is the Creator..and So is God..and So are we the People of the Horizon..or the Zionist Jews..or the Demagogues..in the Senate and Congress...we need an honest facility to express who we are...WE ARE MUTATING..into Pyschics that have special skills..but tell me the last time you saw some use the Force or Shoot fireballs out of their hands..it is not true to ultimately say that it is impossible..but it very well may be Probable..
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Secret Societies exist for a reason..most of the stuff is attempting to keep your body in someone elses body..and the news is the effort of the day..the (bruyn)briefcase is of the envelope of Knowledge..which if I respect myself in the mourning Id be weller Off..just in general..and I know I jest..but it is a Conclusion of the Gestalt..or the Manufactured features fo Nature..which are Grown from rock and Grail..the Quest to Land on the Moon..and Mars..is a Government Faction called FBI..we all want to land on the moon..and Plummet on top of the surface area squared..minus the square root of the trail of the Honest (Emperor)Penguin and the News is Glass, like on a shifting medium of hither to foreboding curiosity..and the movie is inside glass..and the meaning of the awareness is the thing of Cancer..inside and out..the needs are like Stars..inside and out..the Liquid of the Plumming..and the outerneeds of the pollution and Piping of Life..we need everything we have ever Created Necessarily..and survival of the Fittest is sharing..and inviting freinds over for Dinner...Funny We still Prey on lesser objects of nature..and there in we can Create a Cia..or FBI..Out of water..and purity and goodness..then no conspiracy theories would ever get their way.
Documents taken in Heist are needed therein..but only if you Heist Specifically..Maybe we just wanna be like movie stars..where we could rob a bank with our good friends..or join the Mafia..for example.. The Yakuza..or any other Billion Dollar Group!
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We are wrenched into this world, as far as we know at no fault of our own, we are meant to live by the ways of the world we were born into whether we agree to its conditions or not, birth is your signature on the contract...for all the suffering and discomfort involved in being human, there better be some point to it all...
Nobody knows why we are here, or what we are supposed to be doing here, we don't even really understand what "here" even truly is...
...and non-existence may be a luxury not provided, I doubt there was non-existence before I was born and I doubt there will be non-existence after I die...
Why?
If there were ever a tombstone for humanities death, the epitaph would simply read "WHY?"
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This planet is like a flower, it will begin, come to a beautiful bloom, only to die and wither into nothing, such build up of time, and intricate structure and detail just to see it dissolve into nothing, like the flower or the sand mandala On ayahuasca, during the peak I will be shown amazing cities, these advanced civilizations, but by the end I'm viewing ruins...
-E. Borodin
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Whats the best way to bring positive energy, and ensure spiritual protection from any and all negative forces?
Specially with in the realms of an alchemical , Buddhist, gnostic Christian, or shamanic tradition?
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...avoid lesser minded beings, if people have no spirituality they can justify anything...they want to exert their will on others, they want to feel better than others, they perform every negative, shelfish, and mislead task they can, as if its going to make any difference, it will feed their ego, that's it, like the Romans marching to crucify Christ, that's how you should veiw these negative lesser forces, they have not been shown that we are all one, we are subjective incarnations of a single whole, and what you do unto others your doing unto yourself... these people have a lesser understanding of the situation, all you can do is forgive them, they don't know any better.
I avoid most of humanity, most people are egotistical, selfish, violent, petty and ignorant, I don't blame them for it though, I pray for them.
-E. Borodin
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