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information on power magic
    #22108224 - 08/18/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard of people incorporating psychedelics into pagan power magic and witchcraft. I know nothing about this stuff but am very curious, aside from a few brief discussions I've never researched any of this. In the discussions I have had they made it seem like shamanism only your goals involve altering the way things in the outside world function, bringing the magician fortune and his enemy's ruin.

Before I began my shamanic practice (2012) I would not listen to discussions on such things, now I find myself very curious, any information or resources would be appreciated.

-E. Borodin


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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22108594 - 08/18/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Voodoo is another practice i have heard of psychedelic incorporation to, though I'm interested in voodoo regardless.

Most of what's online seems pretty generic, however pagan magic, witchcraft/sorcery, voodoo, and shamanic power magic are of great interest to me at this point, however I was seeking information  a little more real than a Google search will turn up.

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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22124349 - 08/21/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

All good Magic is Foundated on a Solid understanding of Alchemy..Magic and Metaphors..the cost of the Wheel is Vicious.. and so are too the same things done over and over..the world is a place of constant change..and to understand your place..and what the common coll(Zeitgeist)ective Current is..is to truly begin to understand the Great Power of Magic..and therein it is an Idea of Upholding information to the very point of meaning..and that meaning in and of itself, can be about magic...And always be reasonable..Jesus Christ walked this Earth and Performed Miracles...to Honestly have this type of Faith..and understanding is a Perfect Background to forming a Function of Information For Magical Purposes...Which in an Endeavour..can bring Honest Rewards..if one is honest..and that truthfull stand is where all information comes from anyways..


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Re: information on power magic [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22126643 - 08/22/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

magick and psychs are all just placebo :crazy2:


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Re: information on power magic [Re: akosi]
    #22126797 - 08/22/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

postmodern magic is really good book for beginners.
it really demystifies the whole process and makes it something even materialists would understand.

magic is really all about metaphor and symbol. it's simpler than alot of people think. people like crowley make it really hard to understand, but it's not difficult.


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Re: information on power magic [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22129752 - 08/23/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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All good Magic is Foundated on a Solid understanding of Alchemy..Magic and Metaphors..the cost of the Wheel is Vicious.. and so are too the same things done over and over..the world is a place of constant change..and to understand your place..and what the common coll(Zeitgeist)ective Current is..is to truly begin to understand the Great Power of Magic..and therein it is an Idea of Upholding information to the very point of meaning..and that meaning in and of itself, can be about magic...And always be reasonable..Jesus Christ walked this Earth and Performed Miracles...to Honestly have this type of Faith..and understanding is a Perfect Background to forming a Function of Information For Magical Purposes...Which in an Endeavour..can bring Honest Rewards..if one is honest..and that truthfull stand is where all information comes from anyways..




When I was young I loved learning about Rudolph the second the alchemical emperor, and his would be replacement Friedrich the 5th, Rudolph's alchemical empire was not to be, a hapsburg army from southern Spain was dispatched to lay siege to Prague ending this non-Christian magical empire, which they did...Though Rene Descartes was part of this hapsburg army, and in ulm, germany he had a dream of an angel, who gave him the foundations for modern science...

I also would study John Dee and Edward Kelly, and their alchemical work, specially with entity contact and their angelic language "enochian".....sadly while visiting Rudolph the 2nd, Kelly made the claim that he could preform the alchemical opus, and Rudolph basically held Dee and Kelly hostage until this feat was preformed....Kelly died while trying to sneak out of the castle, a ceramic roof tile slipped from his feet, sending him falling from a high tower...since it was Kelly who made the claim Dee was set free...Dee was a spy for queen Elizabeth 1, some say he only used alchemy as an excuse to gain entry into foreign courts, where he would use the coding methods of Johannes Trithemius that were published in his "Steganographia" to send messages to queen Elizabeth regarding political and military matters, Dee was an intelligence agent who used his alchemical presentations to gain access to otherwise closed kingdoms......

(In terence mckenna's movie "the alchemical dream" he portrays himself as John Dee walking through the streets of Prague, mckenna has been accused of being a government spy, how fitting of an analogy, just like Dee did not believe in magic or alchemy and used it to gain entry into tight communities that he was to spy on, mckenna did not believe in psychedelia, and was using his lecture presentations to gain entry into the underground psychedelic community, where he reported back to the feds..., This is all nonsense in reality, but it would have been just like mckenna to portray himself as John Dee if he was in fact a spy in the same way Dee was...)

"Dormiens vagila" it means while sleeping watch, and was the text over the alchemists door in "the epitome of the spiritual alchemist", or "religious mystic", is illustrated in a curious drawing of an alchemist in his laboratory, which appeared in Henry Khunrath's Amphitheatrum Sapientiae Aternae (Amphitheater of Eternal Wisdom), published at Hanau, Germany, in 1609...

"While sleeping watch" has become my psychedelic motto, though I have altered it to mean "while hallucinating pay attention"

Alchemy is an interest of mine, and does dive into the magic I'm speaking of...

I'm a practicing shaman, and have had much success with entity contact, though attempting to actually "do" anything in these contact situations seems impossible....

Which is why power magic interests me, the are using spirit contact to enact changes in the out-side world...

As a shaman I'm an observer, but these power magic folks seem to be actually doing things, this is where I want to learn, I want to incorporate power magic into my shamanism.

(Though it does exist in shamanism to a degreee, shamans use spirit and animal helpers frequently...)

I'm looking for an experienced shaman or practitioner of power magic or voodoo, I want to learn some actual practices, but have only found cheap nonsense on the internet...

-E. Borodin


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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22129845 - 08/23/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have a theory, although I don't practice "magic"


One can alter their own perceptions. If you practice, you can "warp" reality and even hallucinate.



I hve to set the rest of this up with another theory. The infinate dream theory. The idea that this is a dream, when we sleep we dream, and when we "wake up" from THIS reality we go "up" a level, closer to TRUE reality.

And every "dream" splits up the consciousness of the reality before it, the consciousness becomes ideas, forces, people, etc etc.

Meaning we all pull from the same consciousness



So if we can alter our OWN reality, whats to say we cant somehow influence someone elses perceptions? Whats to say we can't tap into the universal consciousness and extend images/emotions?


This is something I will be persuing btw, although it will take many many years before I even know if its possible


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Re: information on power magic [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22130010 - 08/23/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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All good Magic is Foundated on a Solid understanding of Alchemy..Magic and Metaphors..the cost of the Wheel is Vicious.. and so are too the same things done over and over..the world is a place of constant change..and to understand your place..and what the common coll(Zeitgeist)ective Current is..is to truly begin to understand the Great Power of Magic..and therein it is an Idea of Upholding information to the very point of meaning..and that meaning in and of itself, can be about magic...And always be reasonable..Jesus Christ walked this Earth and Performed Miracles...to Honestly have this type of Faith..and understanding is a Perfect Background to forming a Function of Information For Magical Purposes...Which in an Endeavour..can bring Honest Rewards..if one is honest..and that truthfull stand is where all information comes from anyways..




Here's the deal with alchemy, it was the search for the "lapis philosophorum"

Entheogenic Shamanism has been in possession of the lapis philosophorum for thousands of years, and psychedelic chemistry has been in the possession of the lapis philosophorum since Albert Hoffman, Alexander shulgin, David E. Nichols, etc...

All of the goals of alchemy have been achieved in psychedelic shamanism...(and in the chemistry style of Alexander shulgin, Albert Hoffman, Arthur heffter, etc..)

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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
    #22130109 - 08/23/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I have a theory, although I don't practice "magic"


One can alter their own perceptions. If you practice, you can "warp" reality and even hallucinate.



I hve to set the rest of this up with another theory. The infinate dream theory. The idea that this is a dream, when we sleep we dream, and when we "wake up" from THIS reality we go "up" a level, closer to TRUE reality.

And every "dream" splits up the consciousness of the reality before it, the consciousness becomes ideas, forces, people, etc etc.

Meaning we all pull from the same consciousness



So if we can alter our OWN reality, whats to say we cant somehow influence someone elses perceptions? Whats to say we can't tap into the universal consciousness and extend images/emotions?


This is something I will be persuing btw, although it will take many many years before I even know if its possible




This is similar to where I'm at, though in entheogenic shamanic practice contact with entities, leaving the body to pass through the door which the dead pass daily, as well as between dimensions and between the stars is common practice, and through entheogenic shamanism the outer world is vastly effected, when the shaman drinks ayahuasca then sings into the patients body, and then is able to say "you have stomach parasites, if you eat this plant it will kill them" the shaman claims he was able to see the sound waves bounce through the patients body forming a visual image, and was able too literally see the parasites, this is something every tribal healer would need, it's the x-Ray of the jungle...
So it does impact reality....

Though in shamanism you learn your abilities, and you learn how to contact specific spirits on demand, and you gain psychic abilities and so on, but it's always as an observer who has intentionality regarding what he would like to be done in the situation, but ultimately it's up to the beings and will of hyperspace, where as in power magic they are taking direct control of these things...

I'm not sure I would want to practice power magic, it can have great consequences, I'm happy with my role as explorer and shaman, but I'm very very very curious about all this, I just want to know what the real deal is, perhaps speak with a pagan practitioner of magic, or a voodoo practitioner, or a shaman skilled in power magic, or a sorcerer or witch, the information on the internet seems severely lacking, and if there is something to all this I'm very interested...

As far as some of the hexes and curses and spells I've read I'm fairly sure that just projecting that level of negative energy into the universe towards someone may ultimately effect that person, same goes with their other spells, just the projection of that energy and will must have some effect. I'm particularly interested in their deities, like the "Loa" in Haitian voodoo such as papa legba, loko, Damballa, Ayida-Weddo, etc... as well as the pagan deities, and native american shamanic deities, as well as the magic traditions of all these various practices...

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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22130120 - 08/23/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Are you able to separate soul from body? If so - can you give me some tips? This is something Im trying to find out and have never had an out of body experience.

I also want to contact spirits. If I can ever do that - or leave my body - I will be convinced that spirituality is more than just mans creation.

I feel like sharing these abilities likely makes them less powerful... or stop working all together

I am not sure tho


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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
    #22134316 - 08/24/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Are you able to separate soul from body? If so - can you give me some tips? This is something Im trying to find out and have never had an out of body experience.

I also want to contact spirits. If I can ever do that - or leave my body - I will be convinced that spirituality is more than just mans creation.

I feel like sharing these abilities likely makes them less powerful... or stop working all together

I am not sure tho




Sharing your spiritual abilities with entheogenic shamanism  makes them no less powerful or no less functional, though depending on what the experience involves, some are meant to be shared, others kept to yourself, but using the techniques I describe will work no matter what....in most spiritual practice they say "keep trying! Believe more! Push! Try as hard as you can to reach this state!" Where with entheogenic shamanism most will say "where the fuck are the brakes! How do I slow this down!" It's overwhelming, and not entirely pleasant, but it's real, and you will know it's real.

When I was 6 years old I had my first psychedelic experience (though no psychedelics were involved) I remember thinking over and over "why am I alive?" With each repetition of the thought this "butter-fly" feeling in my stomach would intensify until eventually I could no longer recognize my surroundings, I was in a state identical to my later experiences with DMT....

I randomly had these "mystical" or "endogenous psychedelic" experiances until I was a teenager, at which point whether I liked it or not, I would have a psychedelic experience via LSD or psilocybin, the outside world would make the situation as such that there was no way I could not take the compound, I think at this point my psyche needed an external explanation for the experiences, for where they to keep happening on their own my psyche would break under the implications...

I still have constant mystical intervention in my reality, though now to leave my body I must use an entheogen.

DMT and DMT/MAOI combinations specifically work for this purpose, by the dose must be high, 200+mgs DMT crystals smoked in a single hit, or a large dose of high DMT ayahuasca or ayahuasca analogue never fails, and it works for those who don't believe it will, it's a very real way to experience first hand evidence of these things...

-E. Borodin


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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22134351 - 08/24/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Though it's not all fun and games, you will find that the key to life in death lies in the mind, you may find yourself in a psychological battle for your existence....you must be prepared to put yourself on the line, but you must do it with your wits about yourself, being educated and mentally equiped, knowing how to stay calm and not panic in an extreme crisis situation or situation of such extreme difference from anything you have ever known as a human is one of the most valuable skills you can have for this kind of thing...

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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22135331 - 08/24/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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glimpee said:
Are you able to separate soul from body? If so - can you give me some tips? This is something Im trying to find out and have never had an out of body experience.

I also want to contact spirits. If I can ever do that - or leave my body - I will be convinced that spirituality is more than just mans creation.

I feel like sharing these abilities likely makes them less powerful... or stop working all together

I am not sure tho




Sharing your spiritual abilities with entheogenic shamanism  makes them no less powerful or no less functional, though depending on what the experience involves, some are meant to be shared, others kept to yourself, but using the techniques I describe will work no matter what....in most spiritual practice they say "keep trying! Believe more! Push! Try as hard as you can to reach this state!" Where with entheogenic shamanism most will say "where the fuck are the brakes! How do I slow this down!" It's overwhelming, and not entirely pleasant, but it's real, and you will know it's real.

When I was 6 years old I had my first psychedelic experience (though no psychedelics were involved) I remember thinking over and over "why am I alive?" With each repetition of the thought this "butter-fly" feeling in my stomach would intensify until eventually I could no longer recognize my surroundings, I was in a state identical to my later experiences with DMT....

I randomly had these "mystical" or "endogenous psychedelic" experiances until I was a teenager, at which point whether I liked it or not, I would have a psychedelic experience via LSD or psilocybin, the outside world would make the situation as such that there was no way I could not take the compound, I think at this point my psyche needed an external explanation for the experiences, for where they to keep happening on their own my psyche would break under the implications...

I still have constant mystical intervention in my reality, though now to leave my body I must use an entheogen.

DMT and DMT/MAOI combinations specifically work for this purpose, by the dose must be high, 200+mgs DMT crystals smoked in a single hit, or a large dose of high DMT ayahuasca or ayahuasca analogue never fails, and it works for those who don't believe it will, it's a very real way to experience first hand evidence of these things...

-E. Borodin





Im super jealous of you - I've never had a truely spiritual experience

Have you left your body while sober? If so can you tell me how?


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Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069


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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22135346 - 08/24/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Though it's not all fun and games, you will find that the key to life in death lies in the mind, you may find yourself in a psychological battle for your existence....you must be prepared to put yourself on the line, but you must do it with your wits about yourself, being educated and mentally equiped, knowing how to stay calm and not panic in an extreme crisis situation or situation of such extreme difference from anything you have ever known as a human is one of the most valuable skills you can have for this kind of thing...

-E. Borodin





Im very aware of the dangers. I went too far as I got cocky and ended up ODing and punching my brother. It was the most horrible thing I've never done but I learned and grew a lot from it

Now, even if i think I create reality, I will never, ever swing on anything. Especially not to "test the boundaries of my creation."

I mean it wasnt quite an OD but I got taken away. I had another reality breaking experience two weeks later and I handled it, although it scared me


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Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.




Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069


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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
    #22139789 - 08/25/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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glimpee said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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glimpee said:
Are you able to separate soul from body? If so - can you give me some tips? This is something Im trying to find out and have never had an out of body experience.

I also want to contact spirits. If I can ever do that - or leave my body - I will be convinced that spirituality is more than just mans creation.

I feel like sharing these abilities likely makes them less powerful... or stop working all together

I am not sure tho




Sharing your spiritual abilities with entheogenic shamanism  makes them no less powerful or no less functional, though depending on what the experience involves, some are meant to be shared, others kept to yourself, but using the techniques I describe will work no matter what....in most spiritual practice they say "keep trying! Believe more! Push! Try as hard as you can to reach this state!" Where with entheogenic shamanism most will say "where the fuck are the brakes! How do I slow this down!" It's overwhelming, and not entirely pleasant, but it's real, and you will know it's real.

When I was 6 years old I had my first psychedelic experience (though no psychedelics were involved) I remember thinking over and over "why am I alive?" With each repetition of the thought this "butter-fly" feeling in my stomach would intensify until eventually I could no longer recognize my surroundings, I was in a state identical to my later experiences with DMT....

I randomly had these "mystical" or "endogenous psychedelic" experiances until I was a teenager, at which point whether I liked it or not, I would have a psychedelic experience via LSD or psilocybin, the outside world would make the situation as such that there was no way I could not take the compound, I think at this point my psyche needed an external explanation for the experiences, for where they to keep happening on their own my psyche would break under the implications...

I still have constant mystical intervention in my reality, though now to leave my body I must use an entheogen.

DMT and DMT/MAOI combinations specifically work for this purpose, by the dose must be high, 200+mgs DMT crystals smoked in a single hit, or a large dose of high DMT ayahuasca or ayahuasca analogue never fails, and it works for those who don't believe it will, it's a very real way to experience first hand evidence of these things...

-E. Borodin





Im super jealous of you - I've never had a truely spiritual experience

Have you left your body while sober? If so can you tell me how?





The only times it's happened while sober was when I was a child, it would always start with a thought that would give me this "falling" feeling in my stomach then progress to.a DMT identical state as a repeated the thought in my mind, the first time, as described in my previous postponed when I was 6:

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When I was 6 years old I had my first psychedelic experience (though no psychedelics were involved) I remember thinking over and over "why am I alive?" With each repetition of the thought this "butter-fly" feeling in my stomach would intensify until eventually I could no longer recognize my surroundings, I was in a state identical to my later experiences with DMT....




Now it only happens with entheogens, but the synchronicity leading to the entheogen consumption leads me to believe that I'm still powerless to control it...

-E. Borodin


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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
    #22139799 - 08/25/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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glimpee said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Though it's not all fun and games, you will find that the key to life in death lies in the mind, you may find yourself in a psychological battle for your existence....you must be prepared to put yourself on the line, but you must do it with your wits about yourself, being educated and mentally equiped, knowing how to stay calm and not panic in an extreme crisis situation or situation of such extreme difference from anything you have ever known as a human is one of the most valuable skills you can have for this kind of thing...

-E. Borodin





Im very aware of the dangers. I went too far as I got cocky and ended up ODing and punching my brother. It was the most horrible thing I've never done but I learned and grew a lot from it

Now, even if i think I create reality, I will never, ever swing on anything. Especially not to "test the boundaries of my creation."

I mean it wasnt quite an OD but I got taken away. I had another reality breaking experience two weeks later and I handled it, although it scared me




All my experiences scare the hell out of me, but I've trained myself to keep calm, and pay as much attention as I can.

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Re: information on power magic [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22144155 - 08/26/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ive had two "level 5" trips... but honestly they were level 6

I thought for a bit they were egodeath... they were not. All of reality ceased to exist except me. I was the center - the chosen one. And I was hallucinating on a level unimaginable to even me now.

I hope to separate from my body in the upcoming years... at least once. I have no reason to believe anything spiritual yet, but I want with all my heart for any of it to be true


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Re: information on power magic [Re: glimpee]
    #22148566 - 08/26/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yo, I heard this Quote from A Course in Miracles...it says:

There is nothing that faith cannot solve..which is saying ultimately that if you had perfect faith..you could do anything..and that would be therefore effective power magic...

So i think some of the spin offs of power magic, like working with your left hand..doing chaos magic and stuff..is there just to make you feel some wonder..or awe..or the essentially hack your reality to the degree in which you can begin to believe that you can change it necessarily..and then from magical will we progress to working Miracles..which can be seen at Night or In day..its the Sun...and the Moon working together!

Most of the problems of magic..are when you want to say turn the sun off and therefore Harm people..due to the Earth being cooled..for whatever reason..

But if you have good intentions..then the path is laid out for you..and thats salvation in a handbag!


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    #22149510 - 08/26/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Magic" is just a manipulation of perception, human bias and collective unconscious. It certainly can be used to change your and other's experiences but it doesn't actually change anything. While you can definitely use it to improve lives by changing perception to be more positive (or negative but, like, don't be a dick) it is important to be careful of delusion and psychosis. My own opinion, of course.


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    #22157279 - 08/28/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I used to think it was all about hallucination but I've witnessed sorcery before. External reality can be altered.


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