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Acid and depersonalization 2
    #22108131 - 08/18/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I asked this question before, but now time has passed and things have gotten better. It's been a whole year since I've done shrooms and had a bad trip that gave me depersonalization and in this time, I feel as though it has gotten better, not 100% but way way better than what it was. I still smoke regularly and my highs haven't been affected at all. I'm just wondering if some time In the future will I be able to do acid, without experiencing depersonalization. Could it cause it to come back, I feel as though I have a stronger mind set now than before, and I've heard acid isn't such a mind fuck like shrooms.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: Mizzsy]
    #22108494 - 08/18/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I asked this question before, but now time has passed and things have gotten better. It's been a whole year since I've done shrooms and had a bad trip that gave me depersonalization and in this time, I feel as though it has gotten better, not 100% but way way better than what it was. I still smoke regularly and my highs haven't been affected at all. I'm just wondering if some time In the future will I be able to do acid, without experiencing depersonalization. Could it cause it to come back, I feel as though I have a stronger mind set now than before, and I've heard acid isn't such a mind fuck like shrooms.





I always got depersonalization after a shroom trip, but it only lasted a week or two. They are such a mindfuck though. I only got it once from LSD, and it was after a pretty rough trip. Again, it only lasted about a week.


I'd try to lay off the weed for a while to see if it helps. It is an actual psychedelic and it can make depersonalization much worse, even if you don't notice it at first


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #22108633 - 08/18/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i used to eat acid like candy in my late teens early 20s. it's been almost 3 years since I last tripped. now, i'm really intimidated for a lot of reasons, mainly because i have conversion disorder, which essentially consists of not being able to move my head in any direction which causes severe pain 24/7. the cause is unknown. i hope lucy welcomes you back with open arms

i will use DMT, however, due to its short duration


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: Mizzsy]
    #22108692 - 08/18/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Any psychedelic comes with the risk of depersonalization.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: healing]
    #22108921 - 08/18/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I also experience depersonalization with mushrooms and for that reason I prefer cactus.

Cactus has heart opening effects and the one sure way to fix depersonalization is to get out of your mind and dive into your heart. No, you wont find your old personal identity down there but you will find something much better. Cactus helps me get down there, so any depersonlization type effects it might cause are far outweighed by the heart opening benefits.

I dont do LSD anymore either, not because of depersonilization but because the trip is too short in comparison to the length of the unpleasant come down/ after effects I experience.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: Deviate]
    #22108949 - 08/18/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree! Cactus is the most grounded psychedelic I have done. Tryptamines and LSD start to desolve the world you know and the ego you have always had only to be transported to an alien realm that doesn't feel human (at least not to me)


My 3 experiences with mescaline were all very down to Earth. I really felt like I was some indian or something being given a spiritual experience by some mescaline god. If I had to briefly explain mescaline, I'd say it is a very comforting, easy trip. I feel at home on mesc, and it is relieving to not be sucked into an alien world during a psychedelic experience.

Was also the only psychedelic I have met a "god" on besides DMT. I sort of felt like whatever god I was with during the experience was guiding the trip FOR me, and when I reached certain climaxes in the experience I was rewarded with amazing MDMA like body highs. It was also the only psychedelic I felt human enough to have sex on, and it actually felt fucking amazing. 


I don't know if I would recommend doing mescaline to FIX depersonalization, but I'd be willing to bet that it has less of a likelihood of causing it compared to lsd and shrooms.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #22108986 - 08/18/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Doing mescaline comes with the risk of depersonalization. The psychedelic experience comes with the risk or depersonalization. Any and all psychedelics come with the risk of depersonalization every single time you do them, even if they've never made you feel depersonalized before.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: healing]
    #22109012 - 08/18/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Doing mescaline comes with the risk of depersonalization. The psychedelic experience comes with the risk or depersonalization. Any and all psychedelics come with the risk of depersonalization every single time you do them, even if they've never made you feel depersonalized before.




Yep definitely true. Even cannabis like I said earlier. Lots of people have gotten bad depersonalization from weed that sometimes doesn't go away, and some people find it hard to believe it is actually a "psychedelic."


Since no one really knows for sure what causes it when you trip, it is hard to give recommendations. In my experience, my temporary depersonalization is caused by overly intense experiences, like ego death. Mescaline tends to be pretty gentle even in higher dose so I haven't gotten it from it before. Then again my highest dose that I know for sure was 500mg of the hcl salts.


Again though, I would really stop the cannabis use. I know it is hard to believe such a harmless herb could be causing something like this but it is ALSO a psychedelic, and like healing said there is always a risk when taking them.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #22109057 - 08/18/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I get terrible depersonlization from weed but I still smoke a lot. One the things I use mescaline for is to help me recover from the depersonlizing effects of smoking too much weed for too many years. It has helped a lot.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: Deviate]
    #22109151 - 08/18/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Could any of you guys go into a little more depth about your depersonalization? What are you experiencing?


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: drr]
    #22109190 - 08/18/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Have you ever taken any dissociatives? They directly induce depersonalization. It's a feeling like your actions are not your own. That your body is moving by some outside force. That your mind is apart from yourself and that your thoughts are not your thoughts but perhaps the thoughts of your mind or your, "Self." It feels confusing and unnatural at first, but you get used to it after a while. I've been feeling severely depersonalized for about six years now.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: healing]
    #22109215 - 08/18/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have had ketamine and dxm, but really only in low doses, I'm not sure I can relate.

While I am rather sensitive to psychedelics and do sometimes experience severe anxiety, and also symptoms of hppd from my lsd use, I feel for the most part like I haven't come unhinged in that way, thankfully, and I still feel like myself. And I've begun to experiment with lsd again with no issues, after about a five year break.

In response to the original question though I'd like to add that if you experienced depersonalization from mushrooms, I'd be even more concerned about lsd, the way its effects seen to linger so long.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: drr]
    #22109285 - 08/19/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Can you guys tell me a little bit more about the cactus, like effects or experiences you've had


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: drr]
    #22109359 - 08/19/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I have had ketamine and dxm, but really only in low doses, I'm not sure I can relate.

While I am rather sensitive to psychedelics and do sometimes experience severe anxiety, and also symptoms of hppd from my lsd use, I feel for the most part like I haven't come unhinged in that way, thankfully, and I still feel like myself. And I've begun to experiment with lsd again with no issues, after about a five year break.

In response to the original question though I'd like to add that if you experienced depersonalization from mushrooms, I'd be even more concerned about lsd, the way its effects seen to linger so long.




Any psychedelic, anytime you take it even if it's never caused you any problems in the past. Just as much mushrooms as acid, or cactus. Same risk every time. That's the weirdest part. It's almost like a paradigm in that sense. For me, it didn't feel like I became depersonalized, I just discovered my depersonalization. I can't unsee it.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: healing]
    #22109377 - 08/19/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've always wondered: What if life is just a dream and I just wake up from a coma one day and realize none of this ever happened. Shit just seems too perfect sometimes :lol:


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: Mizzsy]
    #22109472 - 08/19/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Depersonalization happens when u get too caught up in ur own thoughts.

Don't get caught up in ur thoughts.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: zZZz]
    #22109485 - 08/19/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Tell that to a person in an infinite mushroom thought loop.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: healing]
    #22109516 - 08/19/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lead me to em.

And I meant after the trip is over..


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: zZZz]
    #22109551 - 08/19/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You've never experienced this? It ranges from annoying as fuck to deathly terrifying. Seriously, thought loops can be fucked up from the point of view of a sober witness, let alone the person experiencing them.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: healing]
    #22109854 - 08/19/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Do you sometimes have meaningless thoughts like glossolalia? I do,I think im very depersonalised too from a lot of weed taken with gravity bong so it hit me very strong
I feel very depersonalized too but i want to see how much i relate to it


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: gent]
    #22109876 - 08/19/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sometimes. Most of the time I have so many thoughts that it sounds like glossolalia, or it would to someone who couldn't process all of it the way I do. But I'm very good with verbal information. I can participate in several unrelated conversations at once.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: healing]
    #22109907 - 08/19/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Me too except sometimes I dont know what to say since i dont know what to relate to myself with,if i should be serious or childish with my sisters for example so i get kind of agitated and paranoid...not being sure in what way to personify myself


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: gent]
    #22109923 - 08/19/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know what that's like. Even when I was batshit insane I'd still make four heads snap in a row. I did have a bout of medicinally induced dementia though, that was annoying because my thoughts became disconnected when I tried to voice them because I would forget what I was saying. That's mostly gone now, thankfully.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: healing]
    #22109976 - 08/19/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've had pretty severe depersonalization from speed like 4 years ago, people though I was retarded some time XD it makes a lot of uncomfortable situation loll ,weed would make me look 3 time more retard during this period ,It pretty much can happens with a lot of drugs not just lsd.

Isd and shrooms and mdma and dmt helped me a bit but when abusing my brain would be back in this mode for sometime a week. But usually 2-3days


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #22110168 - 08/19/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I feel depersonalization experiences come with high doses.

Ive had instances of it, but it was short lasting. Higher doses definitely leads to more depersonalization.

How much shrooms did u take on that trip a year ago OP?

From a strong dose of acid, i usually get depersonalization from acid in my past, but its only at the peak and its short-lasting.

It would likely help to see photos of yourself before and during the trip, to remind u who u are.


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Re: Acid and depersonalization 2 [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22110656 - 08/19/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea me I'm talking really high dose of psych would bring me back there. I think it all depends on how much your body can handle. My speed depersonalization lasted a freakin while like a month or 2 of ups and down  of it but i was Still using the drug on the regular but less frequently then when I was binging before

Having less chaotic life really helped me tho, and stopping speed too lol

Edit:My depersonalization is always on the comedown and days later, speed almost always made me feel like that on the comedown of a binge. It's not like an ego death you get on high dose, it's like a feeling of being out of it and edgy that leads to social anxiety and then isolation it's like a vicious circle


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