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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22110451 - 08/19/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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just start eating, ill tell you when to stop
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22110525 - 08/19/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >want to show us where the bacillus thuringiensis added to corn is any worse for someone than what the organic farmers add to their crops for pest control
Farmers spray it on the outside of the plant. It normally does not touch the corn we eat. GM corn with bt toxin in it, has it built into the plant itself so its impossible to wash off as I already explained. Are you doing a zappa on us and pretending to be dumb?
horse shit, complete horse shit from someone that clearly knows nothing about agriculture
One of us clearly knows nothing about agriculture. Are you telling us now you can wash off the bt from gm corn? What kind of brush do you use?
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge]
#22110547 - 08/19/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >want to show us where the bacillus thuringiensis added to corn is any worse for someone than what the organic farmers add to their crops for pest control
Farmers spray it on the outside of the plant. It normally does not touch the corn we eat. GM corn with bt toxin in it, has it built into the plant itself so its impossible to wash off as I already explained. Are you doing a zappa on us and pretending to be dumb?
horse shit, complete horse shit from someone that clearly knows nothing about agriculture
One of us clearly knows nothing about agriculture. Are you telling us now you can wash off the bt from gm corn? What kind of brush do you use?
you stated it didnt get on corn or wheat and now you're pulling this shit out of your ass as though I've made that claim... surely you can go back a few steps and answer my questions i posed to you earlier
where dies seralini get his funding?
tall us how the bt fungus applied to crops is less toxic than bt in GMOs?
can you not answer these simple questions and stop making up bullshit to argue about
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22110590 - 08/19/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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for starters you at least know how much is being sprayed on, and you know at least some is getting washed off.
with GMO the ammounts can change and you'd never know because they will most likely never test that again until a problem arises
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22110613 - 08/19/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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For anyone to sit here and say that GMO/ Roundup crops are harmless really needs to get their head of the sand and talk to some people that live around these areas where it is overused. As I mentioned earlier, I personally saw what this can do to birds that are dependent on insects to survive... The bluebird nesting pairs no doubt fed their chicks insects that were killed by the herbicide/ pesticide a couple days earlier. Six chicks in one box and 4 in the other died just a couple days after the farmer sprayed the soybeans....You may think...not a big deal...but the truth is that nowadays...somewhere close to 90% of the crops grown in the US are roundup ready corn/ soybeans...that would extrapolate into a shit ton more bird casualties than those few that I personally witnessed. secondly is the honeybee population that has had a miraculous rebound in Europe in just a year or two since they banned the chief chemical in roundup...I personally know two beekeepers that simply will not place their hives anywhere near gmo crops for fear of losing their colony...because they have learned the hard way to stay away from them. They don't have the same problems with their bees in apple orchards where those farmers use other pesticides...sprayed after the trees blossom. Or close to clover fields.
This is not some vendetta I have ...it is simply keeping my eyes and ears open and not listening to all the propaganda that the Monsanto paid scientists spew. This is real life...not a computer screen.
Also remember that they thought DDT and Agent Orange were safe at one time too....look where that took us.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22110632 - 08/19/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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>you stated it didnt get on corn or wheat
No, I did not say that. It being bt toxin, is built into the gm corn itself and can't be washed off. When used by farmers on regular corn, its sprayed on the leaves and none should be on the corn itself
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge]
#22110659 - 08/19/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes....roundup does also work systemically.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22110947 - 08/19/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: Yes....roundup does also work systemically.
That is true and its a nasty poison. The only way to avoid that crap is to buy organic since the 'tards agree with monsatan that we should not be allowed to know what kind of food we are buying. They are trying to limit or do away with the organic labeling too.
There was a funny interview in which a spokesman for monsatan told the interviewer that roundup was perfectly safe and you could drink it with no problems. The interviewer asked if he meant that and he said yes, you could drink a glass full, its safe. The interviewer said we have some roundup here, want to drink some? The spokes-liar then got a little flustered and said again it was safe and could be consumed, was asked again to drink some and stormed off the set ending the interview saying "I'm not stupid".
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge]
#22111165 - 08/19/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://badgerherald.com/opinion/2012/09/12/organic-food-the-big/
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In this week’s arts section of The Badger Herald, I came across an article that claimed, in spite of concrete evidence, that organic food was somehow beneficial to one’s health. Now, for those of you who buy organic food for its unique taste, I have no problem with your logic – I myself enjoy some organic products just for their flavor. However, for those of you who buy organic food because you believe it is better for your health, I want to let you know that you have given into one of the biggest scams since bottled water.
The article cites a recent study done by Stanford University doctors who found organic food is neither healthier nor more nutritious than food grown from traditional methods – it is only more expensive. Low-Fat Tuesday Columnist Rachel Werts spends much of the article trying to discredit the study and blames the media for over-indulging in it.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: zappaisgod]
#22111251 - 08/19/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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>The article cites a recent study done by Stanford University doctors
Any other time you would be sneering at uni studies.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge]
#22111275 - 08/19/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It isn't the only time I've seen that. You wanna be a shmuck who over pays for a nonsense designation knock yourself out. There aren't even standards for the label. It's a scam. Grow your own if you're so twisty about it.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: zappaisgod]
#22111569 - 08/19/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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>There aren't even standards for the label
At least you are consistent, consistently wrong. There are standards for organic but I would not trust any organic food from china, for example. Eat all that gmo you want, with a side order of roundup. They say its perfectly safe and you believe everything out of Monsanto don't you?
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: zappaisgod]
#22111776 - 08/19/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: https://badgerherald.com/opinion/2012/09/12/organic-food-the-big/
The article cites a recent study done by Stanford University doctors who found organic food is neither healthier nor more nutritious than food grown from traditional methods –
So what are these "traditional methods" referenced.
I was unaware ancient Aztec farmers were using BT in their maize.....
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge]
#22111853 - 08/19/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >There aren't even standards for the label
At least you are consistent, consistently wrong. There are standards for organic but I would not trust any organic food from china, for example. Eat all that gmo you want, with a side order of roundup. They say its perfectly safe and you believe everything out of Monsanto don't you?
Organic is a label for suckers. This is well known. It means nothing
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: zappaisgod]
#22112214 - 08/19/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah totally not the people eating the cheap mass produced food full of pesticides.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420]
#22112262 - 08/19/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol at zappa. He can't refute what I said when I caught him in a lie so he throws around some insults about people smart enough to care about what they eat.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge]
#22112269 - 08/19/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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One thing I will agree with is the only real way to be sure you are eating forganic is to grow it yourself. This is also coincidentally the cheapest way usually and takes much less space than many people realize.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420]
#22112292 - 08/19/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, that's a good plan but most people don't have the land or the time to do it. Plus the fact you have to protect your garden from thieves as well as deal with insects. Many cities don't allow it so we have to rely on organic farmers.
One of the tricks they pull is to prevent us from knowing the country of origin of the food. You want to eat organic food from china, the well known low quality capital of the world? Or even mexico? They do inspect so supposedly Mexican organic is just as good but they found harmful bacteria on cilantro from mexico recently
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge]
#22112653 - 08/19/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It really does not take too much time and or space, at least depending on your climate and what you want to grow.
Plus the money you save buying food and energy you get from eating healthy make it totally worth it.
Bugs are also only an issue depending on where you live and what you grow.
I have not used any bug repellants on my garden this year and have had 0 issues I also have neglected it a bit and it still looks great.
Not to mention most of the plants I have are in a 15-20 square foot garden bed and I will get a nice amount of food from a relatively small space.
Indoor gardening can be fairly easy too with certain plants.
My ex girlfriend came from a super poor family and I was always mind boggled how little effort they put into improving their lives.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420]
#22112753 - 08/19/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It just amazes me that people don't seem to care what they eat. They don't care if it has pesticides on it or in it. They believe the govt when it says something is safe even though its well known that lobbyists can get anything passed they want. The fda has a revolving door with monsatan. If people don't care then they deserve what they get.
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