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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #22107605 - 08/18/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Where do they think the money should come from?  The government? 




I looked up his last few papers.  He's received grants from:

Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
Chinese Scholarship Council
the Florida strawberry research foundation
The University of Florida Plant Molecular Breeding Initiative
The National Science Foundation and
the New Hampshire Agricultural Experimental Station.

Gosh, this guy is a deeply entrenched quadruple, quintuple agent planning to take over the world.  I think he's working for the Chinese.

It's unfortunate so many don't understand a lick about science and even less about funding.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: badchad]
    #22107621 - 08/18/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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badchad said:
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zappaisgod said:
Where do they think the money should come from?  The government? 




I looked up his last few papers.  He's received grants from:

Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
Chinese Scholarship Council
the Florida strawberry research foundation
The University of Florida Plant Molecular Breeding Initiative
The National Science Foundation and
the New Hampshire Agricultural Experimental Station.

Gosh, this guy is a deeply entrenched quadruple, quintuple agent planning to take over the world.  I think he's working for the Chinese.

It's unfortunate so many don't understand a lick about science and even less about funding.



:lolsy:I'll ask again.  Where do the nitwits expect him to get funding from?  The Dali Lama?


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: badchad] * 2
    #22107637 - 08/18/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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badchad said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Where do they think the money should come from?  The government? 




I looked up his last few papers.  He's received grants from:

Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
Chinese Scholarship Council
the Florida strawberry research foundation
The University of Florida Plant Molecular Breeding Initiative
The National Science Foundation and
the New Hampshire Agricultural Experimental Station.

Gosh, this guy is a deeply entrenched quadruple, quintuple agent planning to take over the world.  I think he's working for the Chinese.

It's unfortunate so many don't understand a lick about science and even less about funding.



The problem isn't that he received funding from Monsanto. The problem is that he didn't disclose he received funding from Monsanto.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22107642 - 08/18/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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badchad said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Where do they think the money should come from?  The government? 




I looked up his last few papers.  He's received grants from:

Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
Chinese Scholarship Council
the Florida strawberry research foundation
The University of Florida Plant Molecular Breeding Initiative
The National Science Foundation and
the New Hampshire Agricultural Experimental Station.

Gosh, this guy is a deeply entrenched quadruple, quintuple agent planning to take over the world.  I think he's working for the Chinese.

It's unfortunate so many don't understand a lick about science and even less about funding.



The problem isn't that he received funding from Monsanto. The problem is that he didn't disclose he received funding from Monsanto.

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

badchad said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Where do they think the money should come from?  The government? 




I looked up his last few papers.  He's received grants from:

Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
Chinese Scholarship Council
the Florida strawberry research foundation
The University of Florida Plant Molecular Breeding Initiative
The National Science Foundation and
the New Hampshire Agricultural Experimental Station.

Gosh, this guy is a deeply entrenched quadruple, quintuple agent planning to take over the world.  I think he's working for the Chinese.

It's unfortunate so many don't understand a lick about science and even less about funding.



:lolsy:I'll ask again.  Where do the nitwits expect him to get funding from?  The Dali Lama?




:lolsy: I'll say again.
The problem isn't that he received funding from Monsanto. The problem is that he didn't disclose he received funding from Monsanto.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: koods]
    #22107650 - 08/18/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Did he hide it?  Was he required t disclose all his funding?  Do you object to any other source of his funding?  Do you think 25G is more than piss?


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #22107666 - 08/18/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Any legitimate researcher reveals funding sources that have direct stakes in the outcome of the study.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22107674 - 08/18/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Florida Strawberries and University of Florida: Plant Molecular Breeding Initiative seem to want to buff out some Florida growing prospects in feeding it's already gestating pigs, you know, growth. for their department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.

and the National Science Foundation based out of Virginia, tied to people in China as well, as the Chinese Scholarship Council, and then other countries like Japan, and France.

Green Yellow and Brown. Japan's the Brown.

and another independent research gathering operation:  New Hampshire Agricultural Experimental Station.

Summation: something here stinks. smells like the smell of a cadaver, and that putrid stench is the stench of scientific research. damn wastoids.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: koods] * 1
    #22107723 - 08/18/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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:lolsy: I'll say again.
The problem isn't that he received funding from Monsanto. The problem is that he didn't disclose he received funding from Monsanto.




This makes sense, however, the article is pretty loose on the details of WHAT he should have disclosed and when. If I'm a researcher studying drug A, then receive funding from a pharmaceutical company to develop drug C, I don't necessarily have to disclose that when discussing my research on drug a.

Its extremely typical for academics to take any money whenever and wherever they can.  It's completely the norm to have multiple sources of funding and only disclose them in the relevant contexts.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: badchad]
    #22108167 - 08/18/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>If I'm a researcher studying drug A, then receive funding from a pharmaceutical company to develop drug C, I don't necessarily have to disclose that when discussing my research on drug a.

But that is not the situation. He was studying gmo's and their safety while being funded by a gmo producer. It doesn't matter if he really believes in gmo, they pick and choose who to fund and only hand out money to those most likely to deliver the goods. And if the reasearcher wants more money they better have delivered.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22108478 - 08/18/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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We have long suspected that Monsanto was bribing the researchers who parrot its slogan that gmo's are totally harmless. Here we have found the goods on a so called "independent" researcher who was a big Monsanto advocate. The bums sent him all over the country to "educate" consumers.







$25k to support education, he did things such as make sure the people attending his lectures had lunch. Kevin Folta is a good guy

lemme ask, all the anti GMO advocates, tell us all about their grants. right,
you dont know because unlike Folta, they arent transparent, in fact they flat
out lie with things such as paying people to shill for them as you and the
other anti GOM nutter are claiming

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-people-oppose-gmos-even-though-science-says-they-are-safe/

http://www.science20.com/kevin_folta/transparency_weaponized_against_scientists-156873


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22108481 - 08/18/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
>If I'm a researcher studying drug A, then receive funding from a pharmaceutical company to develop drug C, I don't necessarily have to disclose that when discussing my research on drug a.

But that is not the situation. He was studying gmo's and their safety while being funded by a gmo producer. It doesn't matter if he really believes in gmo, they pick and choose who to fund and only hand out money to those most likely to deliver the goods. And if the reasearcher wants more money they better have delivered.





please explain exactly what 'being funded' means in this context


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22108526 - 08/18/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:

But that is not the situation. He was studying gmo's and their safety while being funded by a gmo producer. It doesn't matter if he really believes in gmo, they pick and choose who to fund and only hand out money to those most likely to deliver the goods. And if the reasearcher wants more money they better have delivered.




I largely agree, but the critical question is under what context did he NOT disclose his grant, when he should have?

The original article says: "“The documents show that Monsanto paid for Folta’s travel to speak to US students, farmers, politicians and the media. Other industry contacts occasionally sent him suggested responses to common questions about GM organisms.”

^^these aren't always situations where disclosure of a grant is commonly done or required.

The whole article is vaguely worded as "Folta should have told everyone about the grant" but its entirely lacking in the specifics. If Montsanto paid him 25k to do two months of experiments with a meager 25k he may not have to report, nor should he, but that is circumstance dependent.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: badchad]
    #22108585 - 08/18/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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badchad said:
Quote:

Stonehenge said:

But that is not the situation. He was studying gmo's and their safety while being funded by a gmo producer. It doesn't matter if he really believes in gmo, they pick and choose who to fund and only hand out money to those most likely to deliver the goods. And if the reasearcher wants more money they better have delivered.




I largely agree, but the critical question is under what context did he NOT disclose his grant, when he should have?

The original article says: "“The documents show that Monsanto paid for Folta’s travel to speak to US students, farmers, politicians and the media. Other industry contacts occasionally sent him suggested responses to common questions about GM organisms.”

^^these aren't always situations where disclosure of a grant is commonly done or required.

The whole article is vaguely worded as "Folta should have told everyone about the grant" but its entirely lacking in the specifics. If Montsanto paid him 25k to do two months of experiments with a meager 25k he may not have to report, nor should he, but that is circumstance dependent.





it was done under a freedom of information act request, Kevin works for a
publicly funded university and has to comply, the request was made in february
and the information was given to them within the 30 days but it wasnt until
early august that they decided they wanted to  try and spin it into what it's
not. there is no requirement to report. this wasnt money in kevin's pocket as
these anti-GMO fucktards want to try and convince you


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22108728 - 08/18/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, he was so proud of being backed by Monsanto that he told everyone. Well no he didn't actually, he forgot. And the 25k was just the tip of the iceberg. The grant did not cover travel, lodging and other perks, that was extra plus who knows what else? He certainly is not going to volunteer the info.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: koods]
    #22108766 - 08/18/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sounds like every climate change skeptical scientist.. Always have grants from oil companies or the Cato institute.




Except for the part where there's overwhelming evidence and consensus on climate change and little evidence and consensus that GMOs are harmful. No GMOs on the market are especially harmful and they've saved countless lives. GM technology is how we're going to feed 8-9+ billion people.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: badchad]
    #22108795 - 08/18/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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badchad said:
Quote:

Stonehenge said:

But that is not the situation. He was studying gmo's and their safety while being funded by a gmo producer. It doesn't matter if he really believes in gmo, they pick and choose who to fund and only hand out money to those most likely to deliver the goods. And if the reasearcher wants more money they better have delivered.




I largely agree, but the critical question is under what context did he NOT disclose his grant, when he should have?

The original article says: "“The documents show that Monsanto paid for Folta’s travel to speak to US students, farmers, politicians and the media. Other industry contacts occasionally sent him suggested responses to common questions about GM organisms.”

^^these aren't always situations where disclosure of a grant is commonly done or required.

The whole article is vaguely worded as "Folta should have told everyone about the grant" but its entirely lacking in the specifics. If Montsanto paid him 25k to do two months of experiments with a meager 25k he may not have to report, nor should he, but that is circumstance dependent.



It's vaguely worded because there is no story here. Corporations fund research on the products they sell. This isn't new. If his research turned up results largely in opposition to the larger body of research as a whole in favor of Monsanto, you might have a story. But it didn't. Because GMOs aren't poison.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22108812 - 08/18/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah right, sure, no doubt.

Ever heard of roundup? Its a highly toxic compound that you have to use a lot of on certain gm crops. The bugs are now resistant to it so the poor farmers have to use more and more of it. Plus the fact that gm crops are not producing much if any more yield. This was all discussed in another thread about why we need labeling for gmo products.

The fucktards don't even want us to know whats in our food. It might cost monsatan some sales.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22108823 - 08/18/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
Sounds like every climate change skeptical scientist.. Always have grants from oil companies or the Cato institute.




Except for the part where there's overwhelming evidence and consensus on climate change and little evidence and consensus that GMOs are harmful. No GMOs on the market are especially harmful and they've saved countless lives. GM technology is how we're going to feed 8-9+ billion people.




We could already be feeding the worlds population if people cared more about their fellow man than cash crops...

Not to mention without the use of harmful chemicals.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
    #22108841 - 08/18/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah right, sure, no doubt.

Ever heard of roundup? Its a highly toxic compound that you have to use a lot of on certain gm crops. The bugs are now resistant to it so the poor farmers have to use more and more of it. Plus the fact that gm crops are not producing much if any more yield. This was all discussed in another thread about why we need labeling for gmo products.

The fucktards don't even want us to know whats in our food. It might cost monsatan some sales.




No, dude. Crops were engineered to be roundup resistant. You don't "have" to use roundup on them. Roundup happens to be one of the safer pesticides. Also, your argument doesn't follow. Roundup ready crops are not more dangerous for you than other crops, and whether or not roundup itself is dangerous. That's an entirely different issue than whether or not GM technology is safe. Now, why don't you go to a village in Africa and explain to them why you'd rather their children die than allow Golden Rice to exist.


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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22108883 - 08/18/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe if Europeans didn't fuck africa up so bad they wouldn't need gmo's to feed themselves.

And what is roundup supposed to be safe compared to? Other toxic synthetic pesticides? :lol:


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