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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Adolin]
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22119637 - 08/21/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I figured your response would basically consist of that 
The article I quoted still makes some good points. Roundup has been being used some 40-45 years now.
That is a relatively long time compared to some things but still not enough for many long term effects to become fully apparent.
I still have yet to see you say anything about all the dead bee's from pesticide soaked GMO plants.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420]
#22119653 - 08/21/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Well to be fair major corporations have been known to lie and tamper with data/ public opinion before 
so you're acknowledging what I've been saying it's actually about, anti-corporatism
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420]
#22119663 - 08/21/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: I figured your response would basically consist of that 
The article I quoted still makes some good points. Roundup has been being used some 40-45 years now.
That is a relatively long time compared to some things but still not enough for many long term effects to become fully apparent.
I still have yet to see you say anything about all the dead bee's from pesticide soaked GMO plants.
it doesnt make any good points, it's drivel
bee's die, piss poor management is what causes it in most cases. today the US alone has increaded in the number of colonies here but more than 200k, yes, 200,000 more colonies today than there was just 5 years ago. do you think that is the result of pesticides?
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420]
#22119740 - 08/21/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: I figured your response would basically consist of that 
The article I quoted still makes some good points. Roundup has been being used some 40-45 years now.
That is a relatively long time compared to some things but still not enough for many long term effects to become fully apparent.
I still have yet to see you say anything about all the dead bee's from pesticide soaked GMO plants.
That is not caused by GMOs, it's caused by overuse of insecticides. Pest resistant GMOs have reduced total pesticide use and the mechanisms they use are far more targeted, reducing the environmental impact of pest control. That neonicotinoids may be being used indiscriminately is not a problem caused by GMOs, it is farmers violating best practices for pesticide use. Getting rid of GM crops would not solve this problem.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: LSDreamer]
#22119761 - 08/21/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said:
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musiclover420 said: I figured your response would basically consist of that 
The article I quoted still makes some good points. Roundup has been being used some 40-45 years now.
That is a relatively long time compared to some things but still not enough for many long term effects to become fully apparent.
I still have yet to see you say anything about all the dead bee's from pesticide soaked GMO plants.
That is not caused by GMOs, it's caused by overuse of insecticides. Pest resistant GMOs have reduced total pesticide use and the mechanisms they use are far more targeted, reducing the environmental impact of pest control. That neonicotinoids may be being used indiscriminately is not a problem caused by GMOs, it is farmers violating best practices for pesticide use. Getting rid of GM crops would not solve this problem.
actually there's been an increase in pesticide use but it's been due to the organic market, yes, most people believe that organic producers dont use pesticides but they do, what they use isnt engineered to target only certain classes of pests but instead tend to be broad spectrum pesticides that kill indiscriminately
the use of neocontinoids and other pesticides has been ruled out in colony collapse disorder as has the use of GMOs, these claims are more propaganda by the anti-GMO lobby
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22119794 - 08/21/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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LSDreamer said:
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musiclover420 said: I figured your response would basically consist of that 
The article I quoted still makes some good points. Roundup has been being used some 40-45 years now.
That is a relatively long time compared to some things but still not enough for many long term effects to become fully apparent.
I still have yet to see you say anything about all the dead bee's from pesticide soaked GMO plants.
That is not caused by GMOs, it's caused by overuse of insecticides. Pest resistant GMOs have reduced total pesticide use and the mechanisms they use are far more targeted, reducing the environmental impact of pest control. That neonicotinoids may be being used indiscriminately is not a problem caused by GMOs, it is farmers violating best practices for pesticide use. Getting rid of GM crops would not solve this problem.
actually there's been an increase in pesticide use but it's been due to the organic market, yes, most people believe that organic producers dont use pesticides but they do, what they use isnt engineered to target only certain classes of pests but instead tend to be broad spectrum pesticides that kill indiscriminately
the use of neocontinoids and other pesticides has been ruled out in colony collapse disorder as has the use of GMOs, these claims are more propaganda by the anti-GMO lobby
Do you have a source for neonicotinoids being ruled out in colony collapse disorder? I just read this article by Steven Novella, which is from 04/30/15, which didn't mention that, and Steven Novella is typically on point and up to date.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: LSDreamer]
#22119795 - 08/21/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it doesnt make any good points, it's drivel
So you are saying you think 45 years is plenty of time to test the long term effects? Because things like genetics change on a much larger timescale.
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Getting rid of GM crops would not solve this problem.
I don't think I ever said that but pesticide use goes hand in hand with GMO plants.
If pesticide use is going down so much what is up what is up with this USDA chart?
 Pesticide Use & Markets
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Farmers have widely adopted GM technology. Between 1996 and 2013, the total surface area of land cultivated with GM crops increased by a factor of 100, from 17,000 square kilometers (4,200,000 acres) to 1,750,000 km2 (432 million acres)
So shouldn't this huge increase have caused some kind of dip in the total amount used?
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420]
#22119802 - 08/21/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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actually there's been an increase in pesticide use but it's been due to the organic market, yes, most people believe that organic producers dont use pesticides but they do
Many things can be considered a pesticide. I grow hot peppers, I can boil them and other plants such as tobacco down into a spray and wallah a pesticide.
Local organic produce around here is almost always also labelled pesticide free, at least from the best sources.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: LSDreamer]
#22119806 - 08/21/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said: Do you have a source for neonicotinoids being ruled out in colony collapse disorder? I just read this article by Steven Novella, which is from 04/30/15, which didn't mention that, and Steven Novella is typically on point and up to date.
http://www.science20.com/science_20/epa_study_finds_that_neonics_not_causing_colony_collapse_disorder_in_bees-154072
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420]
#22119815 - 08/21/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The trend on that chart is down. Also, it looks like that's charting the absolute quantity used, so even holding steady over 20 years would be a decline in use.
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: LSDreamer]
#22119826 - 08/21/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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In 2006 and 2007 the world used approximately 5.2 billion pounds of pesticides
That's not that much, you know just a bit
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420] 1
#22119840 - 08/21/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said:
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actually there's been an increase in pesticide use but it's been due to the organic market, yes, most people believe that organic producers dont use pesticides but they do
Many things can be considered a pesticide. I grow hot peppers, I can boil them and other plants such as tobacco down into a spray and wallah a pesticide.
Local organic produce around here is almost always also labelled pesticide free, at least from the best sources.
were you not the one making the claim that corporations have been known to lie?
do you think these farmers that grow organic produce are not corporations? there have been a number of organic dairies busted using hormones to extend milk production, organic growers using unapproved pesticides and herbicides, organic cattle with antibiotics and feeds that wouldnt be approved. while you're busy mistrusting monsanto it's not them that seem to be breaking all the rules, hell, they're under closer scrutiny tan nearly any other company
BTW... tobacco/nicotine isnt approved for use on crops, it is also one of those indiscriminate killers of all insects including the beneficial ones, not to mention it can spread disease such as the tobacco mosiac virus.
you kids seem to be under the impression that 'organic' and 'natural' mean safe
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420]
#22119875 - 08/21/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is a statistic from a USDA paper you can find here: Pesticide Use in U.S. Agriculture: 21 Selected Crops, 1960-2008
632 million pounds used in the USA in 1981, 516 in 2008. That is a decent decline but really not much. Still a fuckton of pesticides.
I am aware of that, I would never use tobbacco/ nicotine on any plants I intended to consume in any way. Also who said I don't distrust other things?
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: musiclover420]
#22119977 - 08/21/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said:
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In 2006 and 2007 the world used approximately 5.2 billion pounds of pesticides
That's not that much, you know just a bit 
I fail to see your point. You just pivoted from "GMOs have not reduced pesticide use", whi ch they have, to " Pesticides are a thing".
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Re: “Independent” GMO Researcher Forced to Release Emails Showing $25K Grant from Monsanto [Re: LSDreamer]
#22127845 - 08/22/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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