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[First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days
#22106113 - 08/18/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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'Ello fellow shroomers!
So, I started my grow a bit over a month ago using the standard PF Tek. The process has been quite slow in general. For example, it took almost ten days before mycelium started appearing in the jars. My wife brought up that since they were in storage for four months, they may just not have the umph anymore. I digress, eleven days ago I dunked my cakes and ten days ago I rolled them and tossed them into my SGFC. Since then, my cakes have simply turned very blue and not much else has happened. The photos attached were taken before misting and fanning. Am I just being impatient or does something look amiss?
For future grows, I think I iwll wait until they pin in the jars before birthing... Thanks all.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22106135 - 08/18/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lack of FAE. You have aerial mycelium.
Show me your SGFC and where it's set up. Did you dunk for 24 hrs?
Have you watched these:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22106288 - 08/18/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Lack of FAE. You have aerial mycelium.
Show me your SGFC and where it's set up. Did you dunk for 24 hrs?
Have you watched these:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
I'll post a pic of my setup as soon as I'm home, but my SGFC is in a closet about six feet off of the floor on a wire shelf. It has 1/4" holes drilled every two inches or so over the entire surface. There is about 6" of perlite on the bottom.
Would being in a closet not provide enough FAE? I mist and fan about 6 times a day. I could place a fan in the closet to help...
And yes, I constructed my SGFC from the video and I dunked them for 24 hours prior.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22106304 - 08/18/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Closets are the worst place for SGFCs so I would move it out there.
You have 4-5" of perlite and it's raised at least 4-12" off the ground, yes? Put it out in the open and you'll have much better results. Once you change the environment, however, you will have to modify your misting schedule and cut it down as you see fit.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22106376 - 08/18/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Closets are the worst place for SGFCs so I would move it out there.
Seriously? Damn. Alright. What would be an ideal place? It's a pretty large closet, but the SGFC is right up against a wall, so that could prevent FAE...
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You have 4-5" of perlite and it's raised at least 4-12" off the ground, yes? Put it out in the open and you'll have much better results. Once you change the environment, however, you will have to modify your misting schedule and cut it down as you see fit.
It's six feet off the ground with 5-6" of perlite. Should I mist and fan more often after I move it?
Thank you so much for the help.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22106420 - 08/18/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your mushrooms will tell you. Most people only mist/fan 2-3 times a day and you're doubling it and still getting bruising. The humidity should be higher so you should, in theory, need less misting.
Closets don't have enough air flow. Middle of a semi-busy room is good. For instance, guest bedroom with the door open.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22106456 - 08/18/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lacking a second bedroom, I suppose I'll just move it to my bedroom or the living room in an out of the way place. Could I, in theory, place them near a window so that they get sunlight instead of using my lamp?
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22106654 - 08/18/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes,
Just be careful to watch your cakes on hot, sunny days. It could dry it out. IMO, put it somewhere not directly in front of the window but where it gets plenty of light.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22106694 - 08/18/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've read RR say when the myc fans out like that it can indicate bacteria which can be from not rinsing after the dunk
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: newera]
#22107581 - 08/18/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I rinsed after the dunk, I'm pretty darn sure.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22107816 - 08/18/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Yes,
Just be careful to watch your cakes on hot, sunny days. It could dry it out. IMO, put it somewhere not directly in front of the window but where it gets plenty of light.

I'm going to place it next to the window where the sun does not shine directly.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22108269 - 08/18/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Lack of FAE. You have aerial mycelium.
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What percent of your post start with "lack of fae." I would bet 80%+. Fae is your nemesis. Edit: At second look, I don't think fae is even remotely a problem. I do not see any aerial mycelium. I see some mycelium that looks like it went out searching aft ground level.
Theundying, I am sure your closet is fine. Your cakes are dry as a bone. You want them glistening with water. Start directly misting then with any type of water. Tap or spring are ideal. Also, stop messing with them. Don't touch then unless you have to. Touching may not be bad for them but it's definitely not good for them.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: tahoe]
#22110192 - 08/19/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Lack of FAE. You have aerial mycelium.
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What percent of your post start with "lack of fae." I would bet 80%+. Fae is your nemesis. Edit: At second look, I don't think fae is even remotely a problem. I do not see any aerial mycelium. I see some mycelium that looks like it went out searching aft ground level.
Theundying, I am sure your closet is fine. Your cakes are dry as a bone. You want them glistening with water. Start directly misting then with any type of water. Tap or spring are ideal. Also, stop messing with them. Don't touch then unless you have to. Touching may not be bad for them but it's definitely not good for them.
You realize that lack of FAE is like 90% of noob problems, especially when associated with a closet right?
At the least that's a reaction to bacteria but fresh air would STILL help against this.
I grew in a closet before, this is from experience lol. My cakes would have one side that was perfectly fine and another that was 100% blue in 12 hours after a thorough, straight misting with a great mister.

The second I took it out of there I no longer had that problem and guess what? I could mist less:

You say to keep conditions constantly wet. Why? If evaporation is a pinning trigger why would you continue to saturate the medium rather then let it dry, then mist, dry, then mist? No evaporation is occuring at 100% humidity, correct? If the surface is constantly at a 100% then are we really doing right by the cake?
In the wild, cubensis grows after a rain storm. In my yard I have wild mushrooms popping left, right, center after a hard rain and guess what? They pop after the ground is dry.
FAE is the nemesis of an SGFC? What sense does that make? If that's the case, why would I drill holes in my SGFC? Because if I don't need fresh air, let me just build a real quick PMP but we've evolved past the PMP because it doesn't allow for fluctuations where mushrooms in the wild are constantly exposed to both fresh air and fluctuation.
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cryptofgod said: Weird looking cubensis?

Anyone have any suggestions? Or are they looking good
That is some insane aerial myc! 
This occurs when you don't have enough FAE in your chamber. The mycelium is stretching to try to reach fresh air.
This is bacteria:
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More Fuzzy

Notice how it looks different? Bacteria blobs up and aerial myc comes out in strands. A bacteria cake will still fruit given more time and the fruits from this cake are safe to eat.
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RogerRabbit said: Then think outside the box and build a shotgun terrarium which fixes all the problems with outdated PMPs and does so with natural air currents.
The problem with PMPs was and is the steady-state humidity. Mycelium wants a varying humidity level to pin and fruit properly. A shotgun terrarium goes through these daily oscillations as the temp and humidity in the room its in changes throughout the day. A PMP is isolated from these changes, thus develops a steady saturation-humidity level which impedes pinning and growth.
Take a quick look at all the so-called 'automated terrariums' over the last ten years via the search function and try to find one single grower who is still using one. RR
So by your logic I shouldn't even put polyfill in my Monotubs and just fruit them with the tape on 'cause FAE is my enemy and shrooms don't need fresh air.
I get it, you're an old hand coming back but you're specifically going after my posts. Bod even corrected you in another post and you just stopped commenting lol. There is way more misinformation on the boards and I am not a source. If you want to correct me, do it nicely and then explain to me why I'm wrong. You're telling a new grower to keep an SGFC in a closet.
The last time I checked an open space with minimum air movement is 100x better then a stale closet.
So once again, show me proof of your allegations or I'll continue to say it's lack of FAE.
Thanks.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22110281 - 08/19/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just wanted to follow this thread.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: JacobStorm]
#22110299 - 08/19/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Someone smarter then me said it wasn't a lack of FAE but a lack of proper ventilation so the bottom holes aren't getting enough air coming in from the bottom to properly facilitate the humidity.
Air flow is the problem, which is what I considered FAE. This will be fixed by moving it out of the closet still
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22110330 - 08/19/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That, and they look dry. OP could up the misting, and work on the location of his chamber.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22110340 - 08/19/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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theundying said: Would being in a closet not provide enough FAE? I mist and fan about 6 times a day. I could place a fan in the closet to help...
He mist/fans 2-3x more then I ever did for my cakes and they were never that blue. Must have a really low RH in his place.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22110348 - 08/19/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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With a lack of fae, you'd have a much lower RH in a sgfc. But just saying you mist doesn't mean it gets hydrated properly. Lots of noobs mist the walls for some reason. He should be misting directly until they glisten. None of those cakes look glistening to me.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22110362 - 08/19/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what I said , minus the increase in misting. When he pulls it out of the closet and gets more FAE though he will most likely have to mist LESS because the humidity outside won't be sapping the moisture from his cake.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22110395 - 08/19/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My chamber is always dry. I mist every single part of the inside of the chamber. The cakes, the walls, the lid. Everything. It stays wet for a time, but by the time I go back, it's dry. If my cakes are still dry, should I dunk them again? Should I re-wet my perlite?
I've since moved my chamber to my living room in a corner. There is about nine inches of clearance on all sides and its sitting on four soda cans. I'll attach a photo shortly.
I feel a bit confused, should I mist more? Fan more? Both? Neither?
EDIT: Here is my new setup. This was just after misting.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22110408 - 08/19/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mist when they aren't glistening anymore. Mist until glistening, but without any pooling water. Mist the perlite at least once a day too. Having more fae in an open room will up the humidity a bunch! you don't have to dunk them. But bring your tub into the shower for a bit to rehydrate the perlite is a good idea
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22110453 - 08/19/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: With a lack of fae, you'd have a much lower RH in a sgfc. But just saying you mist doesn't mean it gets hydrated properly. Lots of noobs mist the walls for some reason. He should be misting directly until they glisten. None of those cakes look glistening to me.
I took those photos in the morning, so I hadn't touched them in eight hours.
Like I said, I think I'll wait till they pin in the jars before I birth them next time
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22110469 - 08/19/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do bulk man. You won't regret the switch
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22110480 - 08/19/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: But bring your tub into the shower for a bit to rehydrate the perlite is a good idea 
I can't even think of where I could put a tub that big in my shower without getting water/soap all over it. Maybe just in the bathroom?
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22110505 - 08/19/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Do bulk man. You won't regret the switch
Bleh, I know. Even my wife told me to do bulk instead of cakes (always listen to the wife unit, folks). I just wasn't able to find a good step-by-step guide like I found for the PF-Tek. The PF Tek done right tek found on here was an awesome and well written guide that was easy to follow. What n00b friendly guide is there for bulk?
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22110536 - 08/19/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it might take a few days for your cakes to recover and turn back white or they could stay that way. i would dunk them as they are blue already, rehydrate them , dont roll again. rehydrate your perlite, throw the rh meter out. ive had issues like this with previous cakes, dunking will help serve 2 purposes, rehydrate ur cakes and usually after dunking it starts the recovery process for myceluim.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: inked4life]
#22110549 - 08/19/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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each tek i think has its pros and cons, i do agree that there is alot of info on here that conflicts what ppl post on here. tagyo has alot of good info, maybe he could point u towards a good tek for bulk.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: inked4life]
#22110577 - 08/19/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Will it hurt anything to dunk them again? Will it help, harm, or neither?
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22110589 - 08/19/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's just extra work. It'd probably help. Adding moisture is always a good thing. I just am lazy, and mist when needed lol.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22110658 - 08/19/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: It's just extra work. It'd probably help. Adding moisture is always a good thing. I just am lazy, and mist when needed lol.
Okay. So I'll dunk them for a day again when I get home and take a shower with my tub. After that, mist if they are not shiny and fan often, correct?
I also have extremely hard water. My wife made me switch to bottled spring water, so that may help too.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22110674 - 08/19/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Since it didn't flush yet I'm not sure if you should re-roll or not but in theory you could but don't do it just yet until some smart people jump in.
Also, when you pick up the cake does it feel like you never dunked it? If it doesn't then maybe a 6-12 hours would benefit more then a full 24? If the cake has water inside it that means it's just waiting for the right conditions to pin.
Like previously mentioned, pull it out of the closet, dunk it for 6-24 hours (Wherever you feel comfortable), wait on re-rolling it until someone confirms 'cause that micro-climate is gone and get ready to re-adjust your schedule with the new environment.
Where you were misting 6 times the added humidity might cut it down to 2-5 depending on how dry your outside RH is.
When vermiculite is dry it looks like sand, when it's wet it glistens like the tiny crystals they are. Keep that in mind. So when you start seeing your cakes look sandy, give them a mist until they look shiny.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22110714 - 08/19/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Since it didn't flush yet I'm not sure if you should re-roll or not but in theory you could but don't do it just yet until some smart people jump in.
Also, when you pick up the cake does it feel like you never dunked it? If it doesn't then maybe a 6-12 hours would benefit more then a full 24? If the cake has water inside it that means it's just waiting for the right conditions to pin.
Like previously mentioned, pull it out of the closet, dunk it for 6-24 hours (Wherever you feel comfortable), wait on re-rolling it until someone confirms 'cause that micro-climate is gone and get ready to re-adjust your schedule with the new environment.
Where you were misting 6 times the added humidity might cut it down to 2-5 depending on how dry your outside RH is.
When vermiculite is dry it looks like sand, when it's wet it glistens like the tiny crystals they are. Keep that in mind. So when you start seeing your cakes look sandy, give them a mist until they look shiny.
My cakes have weight, but I wouldnt say they feel heavy or anything. They also do not feel weightless. I'll dunk them for about six hours and go from there.
I have since moved them from my closet to my living room on some cans (as I posted earlier). There is about nine inches all around the tub with the exception of the bottom which is elevated by soda cans. It is near a window, but should not get any direct sunlight. The lamp is still running on a 12/12 cycle.
I do believed that I was doomed for difficulties from the start. These spores were going on six months old before I used them and they were in a "climate controlled" storage unit for four of those months. It was harm and humid in the storage unit, but never hot or cold. The PE's I had in there died and the other two took forever to consolidate. It takes almost ten days just for myc to start forming in the jars.
I may just buy another syringe and start the process over, though I have these five in the chamber and 8 more colonizing right now. Patience is the name of the game, I suppose.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22110726 - 08/19/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do they feel heavier then when you first dunked them?
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22110818 - 08/19/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Do they feel heavier then when you first dunked them?
Only slightly I'd say.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22111035 - 08/19/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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personaly but i may be wrong i think your enviroment is very dry and the perlite is drying too fast.
and by the time the perlite has made the tub humid it has ran out of moisture and cant maintain it.
try rewetting the perlite 1 or 2 times a day for 2 days and then i bet the humidity will be better and then will level out and stay where you want it and just need a good misting of the perlite each morning to re dampen or you could fully re wet the perlite everyday.
in summer here when its real hot sometimes i have to do this with sgfc at the start of fruiting but after several re wettings the first day it seems to level out and attention in the morning is all that is required after that.
once a good cycle is going and the air is also giving some back as condensation you will be good.
you just have to kick start the water cycle, keep it going and then it sort of looks after itself by condensation running back to the perlite.
but first you need to get the humidity up and then keep the perlite wet long enough that the air cant hold no more and plenty is condensing back lout to re wet the perlite!!
in your case the water is quickly drained from the perlite and then there is no more to add to the air so no excess of water and no condensation and no rewetting of perlite... no water cycle.
kick start it maintain for a day and then it will go itself i assure you!! lots noobs have this problem dont beat yourself up.
i think your FAE is fine but your humidification of said air is not! dont need more fae - i think your key is the perlite and keeping this wet until the tub can look after itself. stick your finger in an inch if its dont feel wet its too dry.
just my 2c
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: mustangbob3]
#22111242 - 08/19/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: personaly but i may be wrong i think your enviroment is very dry and the perlite is drying too fast.
and by the time the perlite has made the tub humid it has ran out of moisture and cant maintain it.
try rewetting the perlite 1 or 2 times a day for 2 days and then i bet the humidity will be better and then will level out and stay where you want it and just need a good misting of the perlite each morning to re dampen or you could fully re wet the perlite everyday.
in summer here when its real hot sometimes i have to do this with sgfc at the start of fruiting but after several re wettings the first day it seems to level out and attention in the morning is all that is required after that.
once a good cycle is going and the air is also giving some back as condensation you will be good.
you just have to kick start the water cycle, keep it going and then it sort of looks after itself by condensation running back to the perlite.
but first you need to get the humidity up and then keep the perlite wet long enough that the air cant hold no more and plenty is condensing back lout to re wet the perlite!!
in your case the water is quickly drained from the perlite and then there is no more to add to the air so no excess of water and no condensation and no rewetting of perlite... no water cycle.
kick start it maintain for a day and then it will go itself i assure you!! lots noobs have this problem dont beat yourself up.
i think your FAE is fine but your humidification of said air is not! dont need more fae - i think your key is the perlite and keeping this wet until the tub can look after itself. stick your finger in an inch if its dont feel wet its too dry.
just my 2c
You know, I had this same thought. Everyone else's SGFCs look wet all the time. Mine is never wet. Maybe all my hard water is drying it out? By "re-wetting" should I take my cakes out, stick my tub in the shower and wet it with cold water from there twice a day until it stays humid?
I could even elevate the chamber in the tub so the water runs out. How wet is too wet?
I am in an area where 100+ degrees is not uncommon during the day and is very humid. I'll re-wet the perlite in the shower and dunk my cakes again for six hours. It's like I'm starting all over again...
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22111264 - 08/19/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Condensation forms on the inside walls when the temperature inside the SGFC is higher than outside the SGFC. A properly made SGFC shouldn't have enough of a temperature difference to cause condensation. If it does, then you are not likely getting good FAE. In other words, condensation is not a good sign of proper humidity, instead it's more of a sign of low FAE.
Pulled from how a sgfc works
Also why would more fae (bringing it to a more open room) increase humidity?
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A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).
The fresh air flows in through the bottom holes and rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.
Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22111392 - 08/19/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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just soak it in shower then leave excess to drip out for 10-15min. then put cakes back in.
do this twice aday for 2 days maybe three and i bet it will then self regulate
then re wetting every day or 2 as needed 
then you will find a balance when the cycle is actually happening correctly and your misting will replace alot of what is lost.
just keep that perlite wet
also like others have said i would prob redunk to help the cakes recover and to bring them back to field capacity.
then go at it again but keep the perlite wet like i said and i bet within 7 days you have pins popping.
they cakes will be dying to put out and soon as they get correct conditions will most likely fruit.
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Quote: Condensation forms on the inside walls when the temperature inside the SGFC is higher than outside the SGFC. A properly made SGFC shouldn't have enough of a temperature difference to cause condensation. If it does, then you are not likely getting good FAE. In other words, condensation is not a good sign of proper humidity, instead it's more of a sign of low FAE.
Pulled from how a sgfc works
Also why would more fae (bringing it to a more open room) increase humidity? Quote:
A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).
The fresh air flows in through the bottom holes and rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.
Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.
MAD i sort of disagree ime you get condensation in a sgfc as there is just about always a temp difference between inside and outside also you can get condensation for other reasons.
like...
if you keep adding h20 to air that is 100% or at max potential humidity ( like in our tubs, when they reach max potential humidity and the myc is still adding to the air by evapouration because of heat) the air drops out the extra as it is added and dosent need a temp difference only a hard surface to do it on.
and humid air rising what a joke.
like clouds they only hang at a certain height for the density!! thats why at diff altitudes you get diff cloud types!!
clouds only exist at certain altitudes...u ever been in a plane.
clouds form over water/sea the float in land then are pushed up by thermals at which point they drop water as rain to lose weight to lift!!
humidity is lost for air to rise, dont be a dumbass. its remedial science !!
heating a gas makes it less dense... less dense makes it float above gas that is more dense!! the heat makes it rise and the water content affects how high it rises. and density of air is affected by heat and coincidentaly density of air affect how much h20 it can hold. meaning less dense or hotter air is less humid. humid air as it gains heat gets less dense and holds less water. this water has to go somewhere... i will leave the rest to your imagination.
your scientific understanding is way way off!! dont believe everything you read
Your post simply is full of contradiction and your causation is totally wrong! sorry but it is. air rises as it is warm and a different density.lol not because its humid. humidity holds it down!! like pouring grenadine in orange juice
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: mustangbob3]
#22111596 - 08/19/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: just soak it in shower then leave excess to drip out for 10-15min. then put cakes back in.
By "soak" I assume I could run the shower over the entire tub for about five minuets then let it drain? Or should I get a bucket and soak the perlite and transfer back to the tub?
As a side note, I'd like to thank everyone that has commented. I'm sure someone else will run into this exact problem , and I hope they find this and it helps them out. Cheers guys/gals.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: mustangbob3]
#22111642 - 08/19/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It'd only be on the walls from water droplets that are big enough to do it (through misting). That is hydration though, not humidity. Humidity is just water molecule ppm in the air. It really shouldn't make droplets on the walls, because it's in the air.
This might just be pedantics, but 100% humid air isn't possible in a chamber with even just GE holes. 100% humidity (over saturation of water molecules in the air) would happen if we made a mono that was air tight. Since humid air rises, it'll swirl around for a while. But as the air gets saturated it will get still due to it not being able to take more humidity in. That is 100% humidity. Regular monos at best do 90% humidity.
If you didn't mist the walls/over spray, it really shouldn't have any condensation on the walls. I don't really see how a sgfc would have a temperature difference. Generally when dealing with humidity problems, you'd just add more perlite, poke the bottom holes free of perlite, take it closer to the center of a room, and raise it off the ground more. Since perlite is so airy and it wicks moisture into the air so well, the best thing to do is to keep it wet constantly (as your suggesting), and not restrict any holes on all 6 sides for the air to flow through the perlite better.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22111762 - 08/19/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It'd only be on the walls from water droplets that are big enough to do it (through misting). That is hydration though, not humidity. Humidity is just water molecule ppm in the air. It really shouldn't make droplets on the walls, because it's in the air.
and what makes you think it stays in the air!! its not scientifically possible.
the air is lifting to leave the tub so it is losing humidity/h20 to rise! this is science!
also your shotgun tek if i remember right it says its partly temp differential that pulls air in the bottom!!
but now your saying there is no temp diff between the tub and outside so you must also think that there is no temp diff inside the tub between the top and bottom.
so by your logic anf info your sgfc shouldnt work at all!!
see what im saying.
1 min you will say temp diff ect pulls air in the bottom but then say cant be condensation as there is no differential!
there is a temp diff between the top of the tub and the bottom and also with the outside room this is what controls bouyancy driven ventilation that you know the sgfc uses.
you cant have it both ways!
obviously something is wrong in your understanding lol or your just spouting out what others have written without even checking if it was right!!
the biggest misconceptions in this hobby are base around this!
truth now.. water at any temp above 0 will evapourate fact. heat just increases the rate. water draws heat from anywhere it can to evap,like a magnet air loses water to rise. and air can make condensation without a cold surface to do it on.
some great reading for anyone who want to understand more i would direct first to the mollier diagram.
cold humid air sinks. warm humid air hovers. warmer still it loses water and rises more untill its density is destroyed.
thats why clouds dissipate into thin air at certain altitude. they dont have enough density to hold h20 so no clouds anymore.
and due in the morning is as its colder the humid cold air sinks and becomes more humid and eventually drops out due on the ground.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: mustangbob3]
#22111892 - 08/19/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never once said anything about temperature?? Besides saying there should be no difference. Please quote me saying there is a difference in temps. I've never once said that. I was talking about buoyancy. Aka humid air will rise. That has nothing to do with temperature. Just that as air is exchanged through pressure and buoyancy, it'll get saturated in the perlite.
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A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).
The fresh air flows in through the bottom holes and rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.
Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.
I used this quote.. where does it talk about temperature?
Read it.. where does it say there's a temperature difference? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: DampMushroom]
#22111900 - 08/19/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DampMushroom said: What kind of syringe are you using (don't say the vendor)? I think you should stop wasting your time with those crappy diluted spore syringes that come from the main suppliers you always here about and you need to get a really dark print and make your own. I have noticed when growing multispore that an almost purple syringe full of healthy spores from a large expensive print does the job better than the premade garbage; more spores = higher chance of strong genetics. I made a syringe from a print that just spilled a load of spores into the jar of water without me even having to open the print. If you wanna keep messing with that cake then put it in a room with indirect sunlight and make sure you stop misting when there's condesation on the lid otherwise the fresh air exchange will be choked off because of water buildup in your perlite.
I am using a multi-spore syringe from a pretty popular vendor. Like I said, they sat around for six months before I used them and they were in a warm and humid storage unit for four of those months. I haven't looked into making syringes from prints. I have empty and sterile syringes. Maybe I'll try that. I'm sure it's not too hard...
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22111928 - 08/19/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: I never once said anything about temperature?? Besides saying there should be no difference. Please quote me saying there is a difference in temps. I've never once said that. I was talking about buoyancy. Aka humid air will rise. That has nothing to do with temperature. Just that as air is exchanged through pressure and buoyancy, it'll get saturated in the perlite.
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A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).
The fresh air flows in through the bottom holes and rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.
Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.
I used this quote.. where does it talk about temperature?
Read it.. where does it say there's a temperature difference? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542
exactly you proved my point! where does the pressure difference ect come from...
its prescribed by heat or the temps! you didnt need to say it. the density(bouyancy) diff is cause by heat the pressure is caused by density difference. so also prescribed by heat.
your just showing even more your lack of knowledge. you dont even realise these things all equate to the same thing!! all controlled by heat... temps!!!
also guess what myc gives off heat. and guess what move near a heat source it gets warmer move away cooler. tubs have 2 warm points. 1 at the top and 1 near sub inbetween is equilibrium.
even in the tub there is temp differentials as there is with the room its in. if there was not then it would be at equilibrium with the room and you would have no flow of air.
bouancy convection solely relys on a temp difference to work!! so you see the contradiction.
your saying sgfcs work because of temp differences and then say there is not one???
cant have it both ways.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22111962 - 08/19/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, here is my plan.
1. Soak cakes in spring water for six hours. 2. Place SGFC in shower and let cold water from shower soak perlite for five mins. 3. Place lid on SGFC and let drain for 10 mins. 4. Place SGFC back in living room on soda cans and wait for the cakes. 5. Put cakes back in chamber. 6. In the morning, remove cakes and repeat steps 2-5. 7. Mist and fan. Mist and fan. Mist and fan. 8. Tomorrow evening, repeat steps 2-5., then again the next day.
After this point, I should be able to mist and fan like normal and all should be good to go.....I hope.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: mustangbob3]
#22111963 - 08/19/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I get it now lol. It wouldn't evaporate without the heat (energy). Something I learned about in like the 5th grade . Anyways.. it still seems like in the end what we said was the way to fix it. I'm just happy to learn more about the physics of it.
@OP you just want to make sure the perlite is damp all the time, and so are the cakes.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22111996 - 08/19/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: @OP you just want to make sure the perlite is damp all the time, and so are the cakes.
Copy that. I'm gonna go thru the steps I posted and see if that helps. It combines what everyone has told me for the most part. I'll post pics later.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22112033 - 08/19/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hundreds make the same mistake. it the wording of them old links, short on info and ambiguous in nature. it you dont have an under pinning knowledge it easy to get it tangled together.
but the science is there and we cant change than just for our hobby.
ive seen hundreds say the same and tell others off for saying different when infact its their source led them astray.
how air and water and heat behave is very well understood and just by having a monotub or sgfc we cant re-write the books just to suit. the scientific laws still must be obeyed. if it seems science is wrong then you have to take the stance its our own logic at fault and were not quite seeing all the picture.
others can cling to the false info they hold dear but you cant fool all the people all the time.
essentially it dosent matter as the teks work even if the causation and undersanding is in the wrong place. but when people tell others they are wrong because of this info, when infact they are in no place to say a thing... its hard to bite your tongue.
sorry for being a dick. prob could have been more tactful in my approach.
no hard feelings 
and i will let OP have his thread back.
nothing to see here... move along.. just bobs daily half page rant
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
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Mad Season said: But bring your tub into the shower for a bit to rehydrate the perlite is a good idea 
I literally just did this yesterday and my humidity is now constantly 98% I'd highly recommend this. I also mixed it around with the shower on. Took a while to drain however even with me poking holes through the bottom of the perlite with a skewer.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22112091 - 08/19/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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theundying said: So, here is my plan.
1. Soak cakes in spring water for six hours. 2. Place SGFC in shower and let cold water from shower soak perlite for five mins. 3. Place lid on SGFC and let drain for 10 mins. 4. Place SGFC back in living room on soda cans and wait for the cakes. 5. Put cakes back in chamber. 6. In the morning, remove cakes and repeat steps 2-5. 7. Mist and fan. Mist and fan. Mist and fan. 8. Tomorrow evening, repeat steps 2-5., then again the next day.
After this point, I should be able to mist and fan like normal and all should be good to go.....I hope.
yeah re wet the perlite 2 times a day . do this for 2 or 3 days. then after that just check each morning by sticking your finger an inch into the perlite... if it feels wet your good if it feels dry then re wet again.
soon you will find a rhythm of how often you need to re-wet the perlite. we can tell you exact as your conditions in your room will be different to ours.
you will soon learn a pattern that you need to follow. like i said use your finger. and re wet as needed.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: JacobStorm]
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Mad Season said: But bring your tub into the shower for a bit to rehydrate the perlite is a good idea 
I literally just did this yesterday and my humidity is now constantly 98% I'd highly recommend this. I also mixed it around with the shower on. Took a while to drain however even with me poking holes through the bottom of the perlite with a skewer.
What about soap and such? Or did you just leave the lid on?
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
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Mad Season said: But bring your tub into the shower for a bit to rehydrate the perlite is a good idea 
I literally just did this yesterday and my humidity is now constantly 98% I'd highly recommend this. I also mixed it around with the shower on. Took a while to drain however even with me poking holes through the bottom of the perlite with a skewer.
What about soap and such? Or did you just leave the lid on?
No not with soap. I took the cakes out. Took off the lid. Ran cold water on the perlite while mixing it around in the tub to make sure it all got an even coating. Then put the sgfc onto a milk crate so as too raise off the bottom of the tub to help draining.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: JacobStorm]
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Mad Season said: But bring your tub into the shower for a bit to rehydrate the perlite is a good idea 
I literally just did this yesterday and my humidity is now constantly 98% I'd highly recommend this. I also mixed it around with the shower on. Took a while to drain however even with me poking holes through the bottom of the perlite with a skewer.
What about soap and such? Or did you just leave the lid on?
No not with soap. I took the cakes out. Took off the lid. Ran cold water on the perlite while mixing it around in the tub to make sure it all got an even coating. Then put the sgfc onto a milk crate so as too raise off the bottom of the tub to help draining.
Got it. I'll be doing the whole thing in just a few hours. Fingers crossed.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22116095 - 08/20/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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UPDATE: Well, after about a five hour dunk, I got pins. I ran the shower over my tub for five mins and let it drain for about 20 mins with the lid on. I tossed my pinning cakes in the tub and gave it a mist for good measure.
Woke up this morning and the sides of the tub were dry, but the perlite was still still damp below the surface. The cakes looked a bit dry as well. So I tossed my cakes on the lid and gave them a good misting while I ran my perlite under the shower again. I let it run for another five mins and let it drain. Tossed the cakes in and gave it a heavy misting before I left for work.
My concern is that things were still dry. The cakes did not have a glisten to them and the walls of the tub were dry even though the perlite was still damp. This weekend I'll have time to check them every hour and hydrate as needed, but hopefully six trips to the shower will have my tub going. Time will tell.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22116120 - 08/20/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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theundying said: UPDATE: Well, after about a five hour dunk, I got pins. I ran the shower over my tub for five mins and let it drain for about 20 mins with the lid on. I tossed my pinning cakes in the tub and gave it a mist for good measure.
Woke up this morning and the sides of the tub were dry, but the perlite was still still damp below the surface. The cakes looked a bit dry as well. So I tossed my cakes on the lid and gave them a good misting while I ran my perlite under the shower again. I let it run for another five mins and let it drain. Tossed the cakes in and gave it a heavy misting before I left for work.
My concern is that things were still dry. The cakes did not have a glisten to them and the walls of the tub were dry even though the perlite was still damp. This weekend I'll have time to check them every hour and hydrate as needed, but hopefully six trips to the shower will have my tub going. Time will tell.
You should post a picture of new pins! I. Having the same problem with my SGFC. I think in my case I might have gotten too big or too coarse of perlite so I'm thinking it may be drying out faster then the less coarse or smaller perlite would normally. What size of perlite are you using? Maybe that's our issue huh?
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: JacobStorm]
#22116181 - 08/20/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll post pics of the pins this afternoon. I was happy to see them, but my wife did a "mushroom dance" and everything when she saw them (it was cute, really).
I did not know perlite came in different "sizes". Though, the organic perlite I got from Amazon seemed a bit smaller than the one I got from Lowes. Who knows. For now, I am just going to do four more showers and hope it retains moisture and mist and fan like crazy. Now that two cakes have pinned, I'm excited to move it along.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22116309 - 08/20/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22116417 - 08/20/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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theundying said: I'll post pics of the pins this afternoon. I was happy to see them, but my wife did a "mushroom dance" and everything when she saw them (it was cute, really).
I did not know perlite came in different "sizes". Though, the organic perlite I got from Amazon seemed a bit smaller than the one I got from Lowes. Who knows. For now, I am just going to do four more showers and hope it retains moisture and mist and fan like crazy. Now that two cakes have pinned, I'm excited to move it along.
Lmao no joke my sweetheart did a mushroom dance too. That's awesome. Yeah the perlite comes coarse ground fine ground and super coarse ground. I got the super coarse ground thinking it would be better but I think it was just counter productive.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22116431 - 08/20/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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undying: the shower idea is good to get your perlite re-hydrated if it was real dry but after that you should be ok with just taking a qt jar or whatever of water and dripping it all around in there so you dont have to move the cakes around and go through the whole shower process all the time. you shouldnt have to do it often unless your spot is real dry though.
and tagyo just something i caught earlier tahoe was saying sarcastically that fae seems to be your personal nemesis, not a nemesis to the hobby. just thought i'd bring up some old shit for posterity's sake
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mdahmer]
#22116616 - 08/20/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mdahmer said: undying: the shower idea is good to get your perlite re-hydrated if it was real dry but after that you should be ok with just taking a qt jar or whatever of water and dripping it all around in there so you dont have to move the cakes around and go through the whole shower process all the time. you shouldnt have to do it often unless your spot is real dry though.
and tagyo just something i caught earlier tahoe was saying sarcastically that fae seems to be your personal nemesis, not a nemesis to the hobby. just thought i'd bring up some old shit for posterity's sake
I assumed it was very dry considering my tub was dry in the morning. I'm gonna keep showering until it sustains itself. It may be my hard water drying it out as well. Who knows.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mdahmer]
#22117070 - 08/20/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mdahmer said: undying: the shower idea is good to get your perlite re-hydrated if it was real dry but after that you should be ok with just taking a qt jar or whatever of water and dripping it all around in there so you dont have to move the cakes around and go through the whole shower process all the time. you shouldnt have to do it often unless your spot is real dry though.
and tagyo just something i caught earlier tahoe was saying sarcastically that fae seems to be your personal nemesis, not a nemesis to the hobby. just thought i'd bring up some old shit for posterity's sake
Caught that after,
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22117161 - 08/20/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol its all good man. i just imagined you in heated argument mode then seeing that statement and being like "wtf bro??"
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mdahmer]
#22117217 - 08/20/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Me and Tahoe have been going back and forth on different threads so it was an accumulation.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22120633 - 08/21/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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wtg glad you got your pins!!
glad the dunk helped you...
now just keep your perlite wet and mist your cakes as needed and you will be set!
good luck and happy growing
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: mustangbob3]
#22120861 - 08/21/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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UPDATE:
The two cakes with pins are growing even more, but the three without pins are still, well, without. I may dunk them again while I am at work to get them going. This morning the cakes were dry again and so were the sides of the chamber. I picked up the chamber to move it to the shower and water spilled on me. I ran my hand thru some of the perlite and it was very damp still. So, I just gave it a mist and a fan. I dunno what to do. I really just think my spores were shit. Out of the ten jars I knocked up recently, only 4 show life and they are going very slowly. Its quite discouraging...
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22120871 - 08/21/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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dont worry and start a new batch,try again, why your waiting on these 1s to keep your mind busy.
and no need to dunk the cakes again they should have enough for a flush.
just mist as needed and re wet the perlite as needed.
give the other cakes a day or too now conditions are better and they prob recover and will catch up.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: mustangbob3] 1
#22121497 - 08/21/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Keep those cakes going until they produce and start a new project.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22130403 - 08/23/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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UPDATE:
So, things are going well. Two cakes are going strong and two more just pinned. One cake has nothing going for it, but it may in time. The funny thing is, two of the cakes should be producing white shrooms, but all 4 are producing brown ones. It's odd, but I'm glad they are going. Its actually exciting seeing them going. I was pretty discouraged but watching them grow day by day is awesome. I think I may give it another go after all. Attached are the current state of the cakes. Thanks for all your help, guys.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22131031 - 08/23/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's kick ass man. I love it
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