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theundying
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[First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days
#22106113 - 08/18/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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'Ello fellow shroomers!
So, I started my grow a bit over a month ago using the standard PF Tek. The process has been quite slow in general. For example, it took almost ten days before mycelium started appearing in the jars. My wife brought up that since they were in storage for four months, they may just not have the umph anymore. I digress, eleven days ago I dunked my cakes and ten days ago I rolled them and tossed them into my SGFC. Since then, my cakes have simply turned very blue and not much else has happened. The photos attached were taken before misting and fanning. Am I just being impatient or does something look amiss?
For future grows, I think I iwll wait until they pin in the jars before birthing... Thanks all.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22106135 - 08/18/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lack of FAE. You have aerial mycelium.
Show me your SGFC and where it's set up. Did you dunk for 24 hrs?
Have you watched these:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22106288 - 08/18/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Lack of FAE. You have aerial mycelium.
Show me your SGFC and where it's set up. Did you dunk for 24 hrs?
Have you watched these:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
I'll post a pic of my setup as soon as I'm home, but my SGFC is in a closet about six feet off of the floor on a wire shelf. It has 1/4" holes drilled every two inches or so over the entire surface. There is about 6" of perlite on the bottom.
Would being in a closet not provide enough FAE? I mist and fan about 6 times a day. I could place a fan in the closet to help...
And yes, I constructed my SGFC from the video and I dunked them for 24 hours prior.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22106304 - 08/18/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Closets are the worst place for SGFCs so I would move it out there.
You have 4-5" of perlite and it's raised at least 4-12" off the ground, yes? Put it out in the open and you'll have much better results. Once you change the environment, however, you will have to modify your misting schedule and cut it down as you see fit.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22106376 - 08/18/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Closets are the worst place for SGFCs so I would move it out there.
Seriously? Damn. Alright. What would be an ideal place? It's a pretty large closet, but the SGFC is right up against a wall, so that could prevent FAE...
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You have 4-5" of perlite and it's raised at least 4-12" off the ground, yes? Put it out in the open and you'll have much better results. Once you change the environment, however, you will have to modify your misting schedule and cut it down as you see fit.
It's six feet off the ground with 5-6" of perlite. Should I mist and fan more often after I move it?
Thank you so much for the help.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22106420 - 08/18/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your mushrooms will tell you. Most people only mist/fan 2-3 times a day and you're doubling it and still getting bruising. The humidity should be higher so you should, in theory, need less misting.
Closets don't have enough air flow. Middle of a semi-busy room is good. For instance, guest bedroom with the door open.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22106456 - 08/18/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lacking a second bedroom, I suppose I'll just move it to my bedroom or the living room in an out of the way place. Could I, in theory, place them near a window so that they get sunlight instead of using my lamp?
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22106654 - 08/18/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes,
Just be careful to watch your cakes on hot, sunny days. It could dry it out. IMO, put it somewhere not directly in front of the window but where it gets plenty of light.
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Edited by taGyo (08/18/15 12:50 PM)
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22106694 - 08/18/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've read RR say when the myc fans out like that it can indicate bacteria which can be from not rinsing after the dunk
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: newera]
#22107581 - 08/18/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I rinsed after the dunk, I'm pretty darn sure.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22107816 - 08/18/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Yes,
Just be careful to watch your cakes on hot, sunny days. It could dry it out. IMO, put it somewhere not directly in front of the window but where it gets plenty of light.

I'm going to place it next to the window where the sun does not shine directly.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22108269 - 08/18/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Lack of FAE. You have aerial mycelium.
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What percent of your post start with "lack of fae." I would bet 80%+. Fae is your nemesis. Edit: At second look, I don't think fae is even remotely a problem. I do not see any aerial mycelium. I see some mycelium that looks like it went out searching aft ground level.
Theundying, I am sure your closet is fine. Your cakes are dry as a bone. You want them glistening with water. Start directly misting then with any type of water. Tap or spring are ideal. Also, stop messing with them. Don't touch then unless you have to. Touching may not be bad for them but it's definitely not good for them.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: tahoe]
#22110192 - 08/19/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tahoe said:
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taGyo said: Lack of FAE. You have aerial mycelium.
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What percent of your post start with "lack of fae." I would bet 80%+. Fae is your nemesis. Edit: At second look, I don't think fae is even remotely a problem. I do not see any aerial mycelium. I see some mycelium that looks like it went out searching aft ground level.
Theundying, I am sure your closet is fine. Your cakes are dry as a bone. You want them glistening with water. Start directly misting then with any type of water. Tap or spring are ideal. Also, stop messing with them. Don't touch then unless you have to. Touching may not be bad for them but it's definitely not good for them.
You realize that lack of FAE is like 90% of noob problems, especially when associated with a closet right?
At the least that's a reaction to bacteria but fresh air would STILL help against this.
I grew in a closet before, this is from experience lol. My cakes would have one side that was perfectly fine and another that was 100% blue in 12 hours after a thorough, straight misting with a great mister.

The second I took it out of there I no longer had that problem and guess what? I could mist less:

You say to keep conditions constantly wet. Why? If evaporation is a pinning trigger why would you continue to saturate the medium rather then let it dry, then mist, dry, then mist? No evaporation is occuring at 100% humidity, correct? If the surface is constantly at a 100% then are we really doing right by the cake?
In the wild, cubensis grows after a rain storm. In my yard I have wild mushrooms popping left, right, center after a hard rain and guess what? They pop after the ground is dry.
FAE is the nemesis of an SGFC? What sense does that make? If that's the case, why would I drill holes in my SGFC? Because if I don't need fresh air, let me just build a real quick PMP but we've evolved past the PMP because it doesn't allow for fluctuations where mushrooms in the wild are constantly exposed to both fresh air and fluctuation.
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taGyo said: This is Aerial Mycelium:
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cryptofgod said: Weird looking cubensis?

Anyone have any suggestions? Or are they looking good
That is some insane aerial myc! 
This occurs when you don't have enough FAE in your chamber. The mycelium is stretching to try to reach fresh air.
This is bacteria:
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Fuzzy

More Fuzzy

Notice how it looks different? Bacteria blobs up and aerial myc comes out in strands. A bacteria cake will still fruit given more time and the fruits from this cake are safe to eat.
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RogerRabbit said: Then think outside the box and build a shotgun terrarium which fixes all the problems with outdated PMPs and does so with natural air currents.
The problem with PMPs was and is the steady-state humidity. Mycelium wants a varying humidity level to pin and fruit properly. A shotgun terrarium goes through these daily oscillations as the temp and humidity in the room its in changes throughout the day. A PMP is isolated from these changes, thus develops a steady saturation-humidity level which impedes pinning and growth.
Take a quick look at all the so-called 'automated terrariums' over the last ten years via the search function and try to find one single grower who is still using one. RR
So by your logic I shouldn't even put polyfill in my Monotubs and just fruit them with the tape on 'cause FAE is my enemy and shrooms don't need fresh air.
I get it, you're an old hand coming back but you're specifically going after my posts. Bod even corrected you in another post and you just stopped commenting lol. There is way more misinformation on the boards and I am not a source. If you want to correct me, do it nicely and then explain to me why I'm wrong. You're telling a new grower to keep an SGFC in a closet.
The last time I checked an open space with minimum air movement is 100x better then a stale closet.
So once again, show me proof of your allegations or I'll continue to say it's lack of FAE.
Thanks.
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Edited by taGyo (08/19/15 08:38 AM)
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22110281 - 08/19/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just wanted to follow this thread.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: JacobStorm]
#22110299 - 08/19/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Someone smarter then me said it wasn't a lack of FAE but a lack of proper ventilation so the bottom holes aren't getting enough air coming in from the bottom to properly facilitate the humidity.
Air flow is the problem, which is what I considered FAE. This will be fixed by moving it out of the closet still
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22110330 - 08/19/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That, and they look dry. OP could up the misting, and work on the location of his chamber.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: theundying]
#22110340 - 08/19/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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theundying said: Would being in a closet not provide enough FAE? I mist and fan about 6 times a day. I could place a fan in the closet to help...
He mist/fans 2-3x more then I ever did for my cakes and they were never that blue. Must have a really low RH in his place.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22110348 - 08/19/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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With a lack of fae, you'd have a much lower RH in a sgfc. But just saying you mist doesn't mean it gets hydrated properly. Lots of noobs mist the walls for some reason. He should be misting directly until they glisten. None of those cakes look glistening to me.
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: Mad Season]
#22110362 - 08/19/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what I said , minus the increase in misting. When he pulls it out of the closet and gets more FAE though he will most likely have to mist LESS because the humidity outside won't be sapping the moisture from his cake.
Thanks Mad
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Re: [First Grow] Blue Cakes - No Pins - 10 days [Re: taGyo]
#22110395 - 08/19/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My chamber is always dry. I mist every single part of the inside of the chamber. The cakes, the walls, the lid. Everything. It stays wet for a time, but by the time I go back, it's dry. If my cakes are still dry, should I dunk them again? Should I re-wet my perlite?
I've since moved my chamber to my living room in a corner. There is about nine inches of clearance on all sides and its sitting on four soda cans. I'll attach a photo shortly.
I feel a bit confused, should I mist more? Fan more? Both? Neither?
EDIT: Here is my new setup. This was just after misting.
Edited by theundying (08/19/15 09:59 AM)
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