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under 10% rh open air fruiting * 4
    #22105120 - 08/18/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So I've noticed cron has done a bunch of open air work (No fruiting chamber) it really inspired me to try it out. If I didn't neglect them so much, and misted them more in my dry ass under 10% humidity climate I could have seen more. Also because they're bacterial as fuck and I thought well why the fuck not :lol:




O/A total yield was just over 3 ounces dry from these 2 trays with 1 pint of spawn, and 2-3 qts of manure each. Cased with 50/50+. All the stems weren't hollow in open air.. they had a membrane down the middle.

This is proof that what's needed is max fae, as well as proper hydration through misting. Noobs shouldn't worry about humidity in a chamber made for max fae. They just have to keep the substrate glistening wet. Mist when it isn't glistening. No pooling water!!

They could have easily been misted twice as much(and seen a much better yield). My next attempts will be much better, and I will update this when they grow, but I still think this attempt was not too shabby.


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
    #22105231 - 08/18/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:congrats: nice stuff!


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: cronicr]
    #22105450 - 08/18/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

wow properly ripped apart there eh?

do you think they were going "Shit, gonna dry out soon, gotta get them spores out quiiiiiiick!!"
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: keeno]
    #22105502 - 08/18/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22105578 - 08/18/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nice observation man.

Did you take any data points? And if so what?

How many flushes o/a did you get? Did you dunk?

Did you try multiple cube variations? It looks like you did.

And final question, since the stems were solid, was singular mushroom mass increased due to that?
I.e. a hollow stem 5" stem, 1" diameter would weigh 20-30g wet, while a solid stem would be 50-60g wet.

I feel like this could also be associated with potency, but I don't have anytime for experiments.

Awesome stuff man
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: blojo02184]
    #22106261 - 08/18/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

All of it was MS, so it's really hard to say anything for certain. I just wanted to open air fruit them. Since I have no humidity, it was just to honestly see if they can even grow in very low humidity.

I just finished 1st flush as you can see :smile: will have to wait for other flushes.

As for mushroom mass, there's definitely a weight increase. Obviously it's variable, but a hollow mushroom that'd be 2-3 grams is 3-4 grams with the membrane. It's also really legit for cloning. You can just take a piece of the membrane.

Potency is great because 2 grams of the AA straight fucked me up.

Thanks everyone else.

@keeno, :lol: like I said, it was a neglect tek :P I was too lazy to check on them, and when I finally did it was spore time haha. I think it's cool to see the aa caps didn't crack at all. They just wrinkled up


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
    #22106276 - 08/18/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: taGyo]
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: kmetric]
    #22106380 - 08/18/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: invitro]
    #22106575 - 08/18/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
    #22107245 - 08/18/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: keeno] * 1
    #22108378 - 08/18/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lol: never looking at it the same. I can't wait to be able to update this further.


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
    #22257448 - 09/18/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

holy shit dude!
this is revolutionary!

if you can get these results in 10% rh it opens up a lot of possibilities.

like what about using a plant or moss?


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22258350 - 09/18/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Or that fae is actually so important that if anything people should be making chambers with more holes/fae than a sgfc instead of worrying about humidity :lol:. I make my monos with 8 holes instead the usual 6 tbh. Tho I'm doing a bunch more open air work soon. I wanna get it perfect :smile: gotta wait and see!


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
    #22258596 - 09/18/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Mad Season,

I like your results.  Looks good.  Like you, Cron's open air grows also peaked my interests.   
I'm glad, yet not surprised that you had great results.  Cron gave us some solid advice when he said:



"The thing to remember(which is something i find misunderstood) is that the most important humidity you have is surface humidity, in other words it really doesn't matter if your fc has a rh of 40% or 99% as long as there is room for evaporation to take place the humidity that is important sits on the surface.

This is our goal with every fruiting chamber we use is surface humidity, with our monotubs we dial them in to achieve this, with our sgfc's we mist as needed to achieve this, with our gh's we (depending on your set up)use something like an ultrasonic humidifier as a timed mister to achieve this because once we have this we can focus on fae which is a great tool for everything your substrate wants for many reasons, the more the better:super:

The reason we grow in a high humidity environment is simple, mushrooms have no skin and lose moisture to the environment very easily and if they lose more then is being pumped in they simply die. This is an easy fix just simply misting your fruits." :cool:



Thanks for sharing your results.  I'm a few months behind you.  However, I did swab my agar plates from a paper print this week.  Hopefully - after a few transfers I'lll have a clean culture and then I'll move on to grains with my new PC.  I'll post my failures and success as this is my first grow.

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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Trek222]
    #22258871 - 09/19/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'd be curious to see some muda bottles done in open air.  Given the minimal exposed area for fruiting, that seems like it would be ideal.  Muda bottles and a pump sprayers sounds lovely.

About how often were you misting?  I live in like 40% rH, but I feel like my casing will change colours within like 4hrs of exposure to open air even if heavily misted.


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Trek222]
    #22259069 - 09/19/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey Mad Season,

I like your results.  Looks good.

Like you, Cron's open air grows also peaked my interests.   

I'm glad, yet not surprised that you had great results.  Cron gave us some solid advice when he said:

"The thing to remember(which is something i find misunderstood) is that the most important humidity you have is surface humidity, in other words it really doesn't matter if your fc has a rh of 40% or 99% as long as there is room for evaporation to take place the humidity that is important sits on the surface.

This is our goal with every fruiting chamber we use is surface humidity, with our monotubs we dial them in to achieve this, with our sgfc's we mist as needed to achieve this, with our gh's we (depending on your set up)use something like an ultrasonic humidifier as a timed mister to achieve this because once we have this we can focus on fae which is a great tool for everything your substrate wants for many reasons, the more the better:super:

The reason we grow in a high humidity environment is simple, mushrooms have no skin and lose moisture to the environment very easily and if they lose more then is being pumped in they simply die. This is an easy fix just simply misting your fruits." :cool:

Thanks for sharing your results. 

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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22259395 - 09/19/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd be curious to see some muda bottles done in open air.  Given the minimal exposed area for fruiting, that seems like it would be ideal.  Muda bottles and a pump sprayers sounds lovely.

About how often were you misting?  I live in like 40% rH, but I feel like my casing will change colours within like 4hrs of exposure to open air even if heavily misted.



I haven't even done any bottles yet :frown:. I will one day!

As for how often I was misting.. I started doing 2 times a day but.. these guys got neglected A LOT. I misted once a day later on. If even. Some days I forgot to mist.

Honestly these were EXTREMELY bacterial underneath, I just didn't want them in my grow room. So I decided to see if I can get anything from leaving them in open air in my basement. Next open air shit I'll be using clean trays, with clean spawn, and misted twice a day.


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
    #22259489 - 09/19/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Or that fae is actually so important that if anything people should be making chambers with more holes/fae than a sgfc instead of worrying about humidity :lol:. I make my monos with 8 holes instead the usual 6 tbh. Tho I'm doing a bunch more open air work soon. I wanna get it perfect :smile: gotta wait and see!



OAF, lol awesome! I'll link this thread next time I see a hygrometer in a fc:grin: 3 oz from trays with one pint of spawn while neglected :mindblown: if perfected this could be the next evolution in cultivation. I thought this to be the case seeing how big they grow in outdoor discarded sub piles, great to see someone experimenting with it. FAE! :rockon:


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22327664 - 10/03/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Has anyone else been getting success with this? I have a 6qt tub that's nearly ready that i think im going to try this with. Im going to somehow hook my humidifier up to it to prevent low RH so hopefully itll create some monsters :grin:


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: kushroom] * 1
    #22327691 - 10/03/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, open air is the shit :blazed:,

What Mad just proved is even a humidifier is unnecessary. If youre growing in a small room the humidifier may actually promote mold without proper ventilation or a large enough space.

With that being said, I'd use it if I knew aspergillus Niger wasn't going to pop up on my walls but the key thing is proper maintenance. You gotta stay on top of a low RH open-air grow in terms of misting. Also case, case, case. Always case open air grows. This is just for an extra level of security.

Hope my explanation was sufficient Mad,

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    #22327935 - 10/03/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
    #22382648 - 10/15/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder if bottom watering would work well with open air. Very cool stuff btw.


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    #22382785 - 10/15/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I wonder if bottom watering would work well with open air. Very cool stuff btw.




i was wondering about using some vergitation; an sgfc with a grass mat on the bottom,
or a bunch of live sphagnum. the tub itself sitting in a shallow tray of water so the grass/sphagnum can wick it.
then grow the shrooms in the form of a mini outdoor patch.

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    #22382823 - 10/15/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I wonder if bottom watering would work well with open air. Very cool stuff btw.




i was wondering about using some vergitation; an sgfc with a grass mat on the bottom,
or a bunch of live sphagnum. the tub itself sitting in a shallow tray of water so the grass/sphagnum can wick it.
then grow the shrooms in the form of a mini outdoor patch.

something like that...



now that is an interesting idea. I imagine it'd be hard to get live moss without also getting bugs, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

would be better in a monotub since SGFC's need to be free for airflow.

People always say standing water is a bad thing, but if you water at the right times the mycelium sucks it up right quick. at least with grass seed, dunno about bulk


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22382828 - 10/15/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i didn't bottom water mine i simply watered it, bulk hydrates easily:thumbup:myselium is very good at moving water on it'sown to where it is needed


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    #22383053 - 10/15/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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I wonder if bottom watering would work well with open air. Very cool stuff btw.




i was wondering about using some vergitation; an sgfc with a grass mat on the bottom,
or a bunch of live sphagnum. the tub itself sitting in a shallow tray of water so the grass/sphagnum can wick it.
then grow the shrooms in the form of a mini outdoor patch.

something like that...



now that is an interesting idea. I imagine it'd be hard to get live moss without also getting bugs, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

would be better in a monotub since SGFC's need to be free for airflow.

People always say standing water is a bad thing, but if you water at the right times the mycelium sucks it up right quick. at least with grass seed, dunno about bulk




i was thinking the holes in the bottom would allow the grass mat or whatever to siphon the water and keep itself
at a constant level of hydration.
i was also thinking that with a grass mat all those blades of grass would create a massive combined surface area from which water
can evaporate.
this surface area would be distributed not just over the surface but also vertically. the whole space where the grass is growing would be a 3D area of evaporation.

perhaps beneficial to cakes?


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22383105 - 10/15/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah for some reason ive never been interested in bottom watering or dunking. I just mist when needed. Always have. Tbh it really helps develop you know what perfect hydration should look like.

Pooling water is fine as long as it isn't pooled for too long. It also hinders pin formation, and brings in the bacteria


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
    #22383245 - 10/15/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah for some reason ive never been interested in bottom watering or dunking. I just mist when needed. Always have. Tbh it really helps develop you know what perfect hydration should look like.

Pooling water is fine as long as it isn't pooled for too long. It also hinders pin formation, and brings in the bacteria




you don't dunk at birth either?

anyhoo what i was suggesting was not to water the myc from below, but to have some soil
and a grass mat in a tub. the bottom watering is to keep the soil and grass at a constant
moisture level.

cakes could be placed on top, or you could lift the grass matt and place
spawn between it and the soil for an indoor-outdoor patch.

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Ah yeah I don't do cakes. But definitely dunk&roll those.


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
    #22386099 - 10/15/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

heres a crude illustration of what i was thinking:


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    #22386136 - 10/15/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm so basically a grass casing, or a grass alternative to perlite :lol:. I'm not sure how it would turn out. Don't see why it would turn out bad tho. Doubt they'd be as dry as mine were lol


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22386234 - 10/15/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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heres a crude illustration of what i was thinking:





I've done wheat grass in a humidity dome, it's extremely likely to get massive cobweb infection.  Try a test bed of grass in an empty mono.


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: invitro]
    #22386359 - 10/15/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

might be useful for liberty caps and others that grow in grasses at the least. maybe even just plant some grass seed in substrate


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    #22386491 - 10/15/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

invitro is right, i need to invest in some plastic and do some experiments.


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    #22410002 - 10/20/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So i invested in some plastic and decided to do an experiment:



there are 4 holes in the bottom with some paracord threaded trough it.
this will hopefully wick the water i will poor in the lid and keep the soil
at a stable minimum humidity.

i will hydrate the soil, add some more to get the right level, and
add manure and cubensis spawn as per outdoor teks and top the whole thing with a
patch of grass i will dig out of my garden.
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    #22410014 - 10/20/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

and you're going to keep that outside or inside?


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    #22410057 - 10/20/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

inside.
humidity in my house is around 35-40%, temperatures will be around 21C-70F during the day (or when i happen to be awake)
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    #22410345 - 10/20/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Keep it moist :goodluck:


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    #22410813 - 10/20/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm very interesting. I've also played an idea similar to this for liberty caps. Keep us posted  :rockon:


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    #22410857 - 10/20/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

thanks, and will do :smile:


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    #22477599 - 11/04/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

so davey jones...have you had any progress in your experiment?


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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22477662 - 11/04/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

well i don't have the spawn to fill the tub yet, and it might be a while until i do.
i will be inoculating jars as soon as i score a print of the cakes i'm fruiting atm.

however i made a second much smaller tub and i got 2 cakes worth of crumbles
in there right now:



i didn't think of it at the time, but it occurred to me that it might work better
with a layer of casing material on the bottom. as it is the wick is in direct contact
with the myc crumbles.

it's been a day or so now and though i have a lamp on it not to far away, it is still
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    #22477672 - 11/04/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

oh also i set up the larger tub with a water tray n stuff and
the wicking is working quite well on the soil, as expected.

and it happens i am about to spawn some 5qts of azurescens wood spawn
to more wood.
i will spawn some of that to the larger tub and place it in a cool room.

i am also having some success inoculating a rye jar with ovoideocystisiata
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22477840 - 11/04/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Good luck getting the ovoids to fruit indoors, I've never seen it done unless it was mined myc and kept in a cold ass garage most of the time. Also it takes them months to metabolize the wood. I love ovoids, and have been thinking of how to fruit them indoors in a long and drawn out 6 month process mimicking the conditions of their natural habitat, but I still have my doubts.


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    #22477881 - 11/04/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

well i intend to fruit them in my bedroom, which is unheated and should go down
to 5C or maybe even lower.
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    #22535113 - 11/16/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

well i just harvested the first flush off my 2nd open air experiment:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22535081/vc/1#22535081

the azure spawn needs another couple of weeks, the ovoid jar is nearly done
and appears to be contam free as it is recovering well from a final shake.

i finally scored some usable prints and inoculated 40 jars with cubensis
so in a couple of weeks i can finally set up the experiment with the wick
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i am thinking of just taking some grass and strawberries from my garden.
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22716953 - 12/30/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Any updates for the wicked tub?


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    #22717000 - 12/30/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

sure, i am keeping logs of a couple of things in my journal: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Journal/363395

i did some experiments with sewing rye in tubs to create a grass mat, but that proved impractical.
so i did one with azure where i just have soil on all sides and on top of the sub and sprinkled some rye seeds on top.

i had contams and slow jars due to some noob mistakes so i haven't done a cube tub like that yet.
i did set up an experiment with 2 small tubs, one wicked and one regular, without the living top layer.


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