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taGyo
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: kushroom] 1
#22327691 - 10/03/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, open air is the shit ,
What Mad just proved is even a humidifier is unnecessary. If youre growing in a small room the humidifier may actually promote mold without proper ventilation or a large enough space.
With that being said, I'd use it if I knew aspergillus Niger wasn't going to pop up on my walls but the key thing is proper maintenance. You gotta stay on top of a low RH open-air grow in terms of misting. Also case, case, case. Always case open air grows. This is just for an extra level of security.
Hope my explanation was sufficient Mad,
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: taGyo]
#22327935 - 10/03/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
#22382648 - 10/15/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder if bottom watering would work well with open air. Very cool stuff btw.
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22382785 - 10/15/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: I wonder if bottom watering would work well with open air. Very cool stuff btw.
i was wondering about using some vergitation; an sgfc with a grass mat on the bottom, or a bunch of live sphagnum. the tub itself sitting in a shallow tray of water so the grass/sphagnum can wick it. then grow the shrooms in the form of a mini outdoor patch.
something like that...
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rbalzer said: I wonder if bottom watering would work well with open air. Very cool stuff btw.
i was wondering about using some vergitation; an sgfc with a grass mat on the bottom, or a bunch of live sphagnum. the tub itself sitting in a shallow tray of water so the grass/sphagnum can wick it. then grow the shrooms in the form of a mini outdoor patch.
something like that...
now that is an interesting idea. I imagine it'd be hard to get live moss without also getting bugs, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
would be better in a monotub since SGFC's need to be free for airflow.
People always say standing water is a bad thing, but if you water at the right times the mycelium sucks it up right quick. at least with grass seed, dunno about bulk
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i didn't bottom water mine i simply watered it, bulk hydrates easily myselium is very good at moving water on it'sown to where it is needed
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22383053 - 10/15/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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rbalzer said:
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DaveyJones6911 said:
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rbalzer said: I wonder if bottom watering would work well with open air. Very cool stuff btw.
i was wondering about using some vergitation; an sgfc with a grass mat on the bottom, or a bunch of live sphagnum. the tub itself sitting in a shallow tray of water so the grass/sphagnum can wick it. then grow the shrooms in the form of a mini outdoor patch.
something like that...
now that is an interesting idea. I imagine it'd be hard to get live moss without also getting bugs, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
would be better in a monotub since SGFC's need to be free for airflow.
People always say standing water is a bad thing, but if you water at the right times the mycelium sucks it up right quick. at least with grass seed, dunno about bulk
i was thinking the holes in the bottom would allow the grass mat or whatever to siphon the water and keep itself at a constant level of hydration. i was also thinking that with a grass mat all those blades of grass would create a massive combined surface area from which water can evaporate. this surface area would be distributed not just over the surface but also vertically. the whole space where the grass is growing would be a 3D area of evaporation.
perhaps beneficial to cakes?
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Yeah for some reason ive never been interested in bottom watering or dunking. I just mist when needed. Always have. Tbh it really helps develop you know what perfect hydration should look like.
Pooling water is fine as long as it isn't pooled for too long. It also hinders pin formation, and brings in the bacteria
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
#22383245 - 10/15/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Yeah for some reason ive never been interested in bottom watering or dunking. I just mist when needed. Always have. Tbh it really helps develop you know what perfect hydration should look like.
Pooling water is fine as long as it isn't pooled for too long. It also hinders pin formation, and brings in the bacteria
you don't dunk at birth either?
anyhoo what i was suggesting was not to water the myc from below, but to have some soil and a grass mat in a tub. the bottom watering is to keep the soil and grass at a constant moisture level.
cakes could be placed on top, or you could lift the grass matt and place spawn between it and the soil for an indoor-outdoor patch.
anyway the idea is that the grass would help create a sort of micro climate.
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Ah yeah I don't do cakes. But definitely dunk&roll those.
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Mad Season]
#22386099 - 10/15/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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heres a crude illustration of what i was thinking:
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Hmm so basically a grass casing, or a grass alternative to perlite . I'm not sure how it would turn out. Don't see why it would turn out bad tho. Doubt they'd be as dry as mine were lol
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Quote:
DaveyJones6911 said: heres a crude illustration of what i was thinking:

I've done wheat grass in a humidity dome, it's extremely likely to get massive cobweb infection. Try a test bed of grass in an empty mono.
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: invitro]
#22386359 - 10/15/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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might be useful for liberty caps and others that grow in grasses at the least. maybe even just plant some grass seed in substrate
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22386491 - 10/15/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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invitro is right, i need to invest in some plastic and do some experiments.
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So i invested in some plastic and decided to do an experiment:

there are 4 holes in the bottom with some paracord threaded trough it. this will hopefully wick the water i will poor in the lid and keep the soil at a stable minimum humidity.
i will hydrate the soil, add some more to get the right level, and add manure and cubensis spawn as per outdoor teks and top the whole thing with a patch of grass i will dig out of my garden. then i will keep it wet and see what happens.
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and you're going to keep that outside or inside?
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22410057 - 10/20/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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inside. humidity in my house is around 35-40%, temperatures will be around 21C-70F during the day (or when i happen to be awake) and may drop to as low as 16C-61F during the night.
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Keep it moist
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Re: under 10% rh open air fruiting [Re: taGyo]
#22410813 - 10/20/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmm very interesting. I've also played an idea similar to this for liberty caps. Keep us posted
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