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littlechief
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Pachanoi Log Method
#22103651 - 08/17/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, this is my first time growing cactus cuttings. The guy who sold them to me recommended that I cut them into 3 inch pieces and lay them on their side.
They look nice. Left them to dry on the ends for about 2 weeks. Did I bury them enough? Did I bury them too much? Using a simple Cactus Potting Mix from Bunnings. Was quite damp when I put them in. Now getting dry. In a warmish room with morning Winter light. Am I doing it right? Hints and tips? He said he pee'd on his to fertilize them. Mini Bic lighter for scale.
 



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kosmokratorshaman
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I would not have cut them that small. My logs are minimum 8 inches, but most are 10. You can of course root cuttings that small, but it takes much longer.
First off: Never pee on a plant you intend to grow. It is ignorant, and will hurt the plant. You buried them just fine. However, you should never put an unrooted cutting into damp soil. It will cause rot.
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littlechief
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Okay, I'll give them a go. The man who sold them and recommended this way had a beautiful, healthy cacti garden. So I kind of trust him that he wouldn't want my new plants to die. (Don't worry, I'm not going to pee on them.) I guess now that I've cut them, I've got no option but to see how they turn out! 
I have read that they can get mouldy in wet soil, but this soil seems to be drying quite quickly.
I'll keep this thread updated with pictures in a few weeks.
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They are buried a but deep i think. Inspect the callous every now and then, if it feels soft, it could be going towards rot. The log only needs like 1/3 of it submerged even less. Also, they may take a while to root, you have cut them insanely small. Good luck.
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littlechief
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Where do the roots come out of? Sorry! I'm supa new here
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littlechief
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Ps.. I have tried googling it a fair bit. I saw one where the roots looked like they were growing from the core, which is why I covered the core with soil a bit. If this is wrong plz help a sista out.
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kosmokratorshaman
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littlechief said: Where do the roots come out of? Sorry! I'm supa new here
the roots emerge from areoles (or skin as Lemn pointed out) that are on the bottom in the soil. You will initially see little white stumpy looking growths. they will get longer, and eventually put out fibrous roots. As time goes by, each areole in the soil will put out roots. Ive got a very well established bridgesii log. I also have a pedro log rooting atm.
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kosmokratorshaman
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The roots can grow from the calloused area. That is what you saw in the pics.
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What are the advantages to this method?
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Re: Pachanoi Log Method [Re: Zombi3]
#22104295 - 08/17/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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more places to pup from. more prolific pupping, better root stability for larger plants end game
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littlechief
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So they pup from the cut ends?... or the areoles?
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Pups do grow directly from areoles. Roots will probably sprout from calloused area, but they can also sprout from skin.
They are placed in a good way Imo, but i think that 2 weeks callousing is still a weak callousing. Anyhow , since you already potted them, leave them as they are. Just don't water until you see roots, and be careful for the first waterings, since your soil seems really water retainig.
Pee does provide minerals,and has actually a real NPK contenet , approzimately a 10 1 2. but also contains several minerals that might be dangerous for plants, so my suggestion is to not pee on them.
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littlechief
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Thanks! Will post pics/updates to show yas how they go
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Cool,I've never tried this method before
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Lemnaminor said: Pups do grow directly from areoles. Roots will probably sprout from calloused area, but they can also sprout from skin.
They are placed in a good way Imo, but i think that 2 weeks callousing is still a weak callousing. Anyhow , since you already potted them, leave them as they are. Just don't water until you see roots, and be careful for the first waterings, since your soil seems really water retainig.
Pee does provide minerals,and has actually a real NPK contenet , approzimately a 10 1 2. but also contains several minerals that might be dangerous for plants, so my suggestion is to not pee on them.
I agree. Pee can and has been used as fertilizer in the past. If you do not dilute it correctly though, you risk burning your plants.
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Yeah I was going to add that I've used urine many times when I was low on funds and couldn't afford fertilizer,and my cannabis loved it
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I pee in the compost.
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Re: Pachanoi Log Method [Re: elborito]
#22105476 - 08/18/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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elborito said: I pee in the compost.
Good idea
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Lemnaminor said: but i think that 2 weeks callousing is still a weak callousing.
I agree, minimum I let them callous is 1 month, but I usually cut and then place in a shady area until roots show, then plant.
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Re: Pachanoi Log Method [Re: Lucis]
#22105494 - 08/18/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I callous for 3 weeks myself. Two weeks will still let moisture in. Urine can be used for many purposes. It is one of those very useful tools, if you know what you are doing.
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It was common practice to dispose of your bed pot content in the morning by dumping it on your vegetable garden in the days before toilets became standard. Urea (the common by-product of mammalian protein metabolization) is one of the forms in which nitrogen is marketed.
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Re: Pachanoi Log Method [Re: LSoares]
#22136837 - 08/24/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuck fuck fuck. Some of them are growing mould. It just seems to be on the surface... What should I do? They are already such small pieces. If I cut the edges off I'll have like 2 inch cuttings 
The mould seems to just be on the surface so far... It looks like little black, dusty spots.



How do i save them???
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I would take them out and put them somewhere with airflow out of direct light....they should take care of that themselves I think, then store it in dry soil, or a cardboard box so it doesnt happen again.
But wait for the experts to find out what you should do.
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Re: Pachanoi Log Method [Re: mandrin13]
#22137050 - 08/24/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe I should also wipe the mould off them with a clean cloth.
Honestly I have no idea.
An alternative is that I could make these ones into tea?... I also have a 30cm piece that could be planted.
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Take them out, clean them and let them set out to callous a lil more for another week. Is what I would do.
Plant them back in the soil in partial shade "a lil sun will only help your plant TRUST ME" and make sure the soil is COMPLETELY DRY when you do. After a month you could add just tiny dabs of water "if you want" just maybe every 2 or 3 weeks.
This is exactly how I do things and I've had no issues what so ever.
Not many people do things this way and many say not to because they don't know no better and have never tried it so they just go with the crowd saying no sun an no water until completely rooted.
ONLY LITTLE DABS OF WATER WILL HELP though and NOT VERY OFTEN.
I know I'm gonna get some shit for this post but looking through your thread made me wanna try to help you some.
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you can use a dilute alcohol or vinegar water mix to spray and blot gently. then put a fan blowing on the end to dry it
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Looks like they weren't calloused for long enough. Just clean the ends without using water, just wipe it off. Then put a fan onto the ends for 24 hours. Then callous for 3 weeks.
I got tiny spot molds on mine even in 100% perlite, an inert, sterile and dry medium because I only calloused for 2 weeks. If it's on the surface and not mushy, it will be fine if you give it air and time.
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Quick update, it has been 4 weeks since the mould fiasco. They are still alive, not mushy. I just brushed off the mould and put them back on top of the soil (not buried). The mould isn't growing anymore, callouses look un-damaged. Poured a few drops of water on each one to stimulate root growth. (No roots yet)
The whole process so far has been about 8 weeks.
Update basically to say: 'They aren't dead yet!'
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I'm not a fan of the log method. In my experience my plants have always done better when planted standing right side up. But, if you're going to log, I definitely would not bury them like they were in the first picture. You'll do better off with them just laying on top of the soil like you're doing now.
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SanPedroCactuses said: I'm not a fan of the log method. In my experience my plants have always done better when planted standing right side up. But, if you're going to log, I definitely would not bury them like they were in the first picture. You'll do better off with them just laying on top of the soil like you're doing now.

They don't need to be buried to shoot roots. I laid an opuntia pad on my front porch for a couple of weeks and the area that was laying on the wood started to shoot out roots where it had no light and probably a humid micro environment to initiate the root growth.
IMO that's all you need.
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Quote:
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SanPedroCactuses said: I'm not a fan of the log method. In my experience my plants have always done better when planted standing right side up. But, if you're going to log, I definitely would not bury them like they were in the first picture. You'll do better off with them just laying on top of the soil like you're doing now.

They don't need to be buried to shoot roots. I laid an opuntia pad on my front porch for a couple of weeks and the area that was laying on the wood started to shoot out roots where it had no light and probably a humid micro environment to initiate the root growth.
IMO that's all you need.

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Re: Pachanoi Log Method [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22383828 - 10/15/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Update: Success! Spent a week away, came home to this lil' burst of life! Finally! We have a sprout! ^_^ Little bebeh! <3
Weeee!!!!



All up over 2 months
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littlechief
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Actually maybe closer to 3! Probably not the most time-effective method. But 3 inch cutting, it worked . Now to wait for all her friends to make little sprouts as well!
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littlechief said: Update: Success! Spent a week away, came home to this lil' burst of life! Finally! We have a sprout! ^_^ Little bebeh! <3
Weeee!!!!



All up over 2 months 
cool!
never heard of this method until now
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Okay guys. Sorry to bump an old thread, but this is the conclusion to me 3 inch log-method experiment - All up, to get to this stage, the entire process has taken around 6 months. All eight cuttings have been successful. Just sitting on top of the soil. They've all put roots down. Fertilized once with Seasol about a month ago (5 month mark) and that seemed to stimulate root growth - or maybe it was the rains after 42C heat waves? But yeah, they didn't have any roots before then. They've been outside since they sprouted new cacti growth & have been watered weekly (except when it rained). Yay. Thx for following 


Editing to say: Thanks, cactus peeps! For all the help! Happy gardening ^__^
Edited by littlechief (01/30/16 03:45 PM)
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Thanks for the update!
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