|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
suhbliem
Stranger
Registered: 07/01/15
Posts: 42
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Ugh I think I have a trich infection
#22102953 - 08/17/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I was using canna coco coir without knowing about the added trichs on my first grow. I did pasteurize it @ 15psi for 1 hour though. Today I noticed a green patch, I think I already know what it is just wanted to confirm.

|
inked4life
Fungi finesse


Registered: 06/28/15
Posts: 555
Last seen: 4 years, 9 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: suhbliem]
#22102960 - 08/17/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
definitely something not good, upper right corner yeek!!
--------------------

|
JohnnyR1ngo
The Great One



Registered: 07/07/15
Posts: 65
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: inked4life]
#22102984 - 08/17/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I'm no expert... But if it were a PPV... They'd call it Trichlemania... We're you using poo? 1 hour @ 15 psi is sterilisation/ partial sterilisation ... Not pasturization ... It's been said many times that partial sterilisation is as bad as not pasteurising at all... Trich will run your myc down and colonize faster ruining your hard work and spoils.. Better luck next time.. Be well...
-------------------- Post are for fictional purposes... Never have I had experience in anything mentioned in this forum.. Or will I ever, I just like to write a bunch of fiction for entertainment purposes.. Don't believe a single thing... All pictures and videos were used with respective owners permission.. And found elsewhere on the net... Not all views and opinions are necessary affiliated with JohnnyR1ngo or his affliates... Be Well....
|
PinPornProducer
Buy the ticket, take the ride



Registered: 08/23/14
Posts: 9,981
Loc: Rocky Point R.I
Last seen: 6 years, 24 days
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22103008 - 08/17/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Trich all over that sub
|
PinPornProducer
Buy the ticket, take the ride



Registered: 08/23/14
Posts: 9,981
Loc: Rocky Point R.I
Last seen: 6 years, 24 days
|
|
Trichlemania lol
|
JohnnyR1ngo
The Great One



Registered: 07/07/15
Posts: 65
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
|
|
Next PPV... Road to Redemption...
-------------------- Post are for fictional purposes... Never have I had experience in anything mentioned in this forum.. Or will I ever, I just like to write a bunch of fiction for entertainment purposes.. Don't believe a single thing... All pictures and videos were used with respective owners permission.. And found elsewhere on the net... Not all views and opinions are necessary affiliated with JohnnyR1ngo or his affliates... Be Well....
|
suhbliem
Stranger
Registered: 07/01/15
Posts: 42
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22103061 - 08/17/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I just took it out of the tub and harvested what I could, must've been over 200 pins Looked at the substrate and the entire corner was green to the bottom, the sides of the substrate had drops of dark green goo, I assume are the spores ><. I have two trays left in the same tub that haven't shown signs of trich yet, I don't think anyway. I've noticed around the areas where shrooms were harvested have turned a kind of green/blue, it's very faint, what do you think guys? should I just chuck all the trays?
Also, If I PC @ 15 psi for 1.5 hours that should take care of the trich problem yes? My mistake seems to be only PCing for 1 hour



Edited by suhbliem (08/17/15 02:57 PM)
|
PinPornProducer
Buy the ticket, take the ride



Registered: 08/23/14
Posts: 9,981
Loc: Rocky Point R.I
Last seen: 6 years, 24 days
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: suhbliem]
#22103078 - 08/17/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Looks like your growing conditions are waaay off
|
suhbliem
Stranger
Registered: 07/01/15
Posts: 42
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
|
yeah for sure, I've learned a lot today reading these forums, I put in a lot more FAE holes and have been laying off the misting and doing more fanning instead. watching how my buddy was incorrectly growing his shrooms really set me off on the wrong course, I had thought white fuzz was normal, ect ect.
|
JohnnyR1ngo
The Great One



Registered: 07/07/15
Posts: 65
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: suhbliem]
#22103131 - 08/17/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
You shouldn't PC your substrate... You properly pasturize.. Search for Frank's proper Pasturisation tek... You can use your PC, but only as a pot... Then you dial heat setting in to keep core of substrate between 140-160f for 90 min.. Some say you can get away with PC'ing CVG(coir, verm, Gypsum).. But most recommend Pasturisation...
-------------------- Post are for fictional purposes... Never have I had experience in anything mentioned in this forum.. Or will I ever, I just like to write a bunch of fiction for entertainment purposes.. Don't believe a single thing... All pictures and videos were used with respective owners permission.. And found elsewhere on the net... Not all views and opinions are necessary affiliated with JohnnyR1ngo or his affliates... Be Well....
|
MajickMuffin
Edible Cult


Registered: 05/28/14
Posts: 4,345
Loc: North
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
|
|
Quote:
PinPornProducer said: Trich all over that sub
|
spacechildo
proletarians rise up



Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22103203 - 08/17/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
you can do whatever you wanna do with coir, even if its treated with trich you can kill that off easily even before pasteurizing time is up.
|
Juiceh
Dabbing All Day



Registered: 09/25/12
Posts: 3,208
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22103221 - 08/17/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
suhbliem said: I did pasteurize it @ 15psi for 1 hour though.
That's not pasteurizing, that is sterilizing. Unless you're spawning aseptically in front of a flowhood or SAB you don't want to sterilize.
What is your substrate?
Quote:
JohnnyR1ngo said: You shouldn't PC your substrate... You properly pasturize.. Search for Frank's proper Pasturisation tek... You can use your PC, but only as a pot... Then you dial heat setting in to keep core of substrate between 140-160f for 90 min.. Some say you can get away with PC'ing CVG(coir, verm, Gypsum).. But most recommend Pasturisation...
Couple things. You can PC any substrate, as long as you can inoculate it aseptically. There are benefits to sterilizing your substrate, the heat breaks down the material further which allows the mycelium to digest it easier and faster and get more energy into fruiting and effect yield. This has been studied with other species such as Calocybe Indica. Weather it makes a difference with cubes, I dunno. Spawning bulk aseptically isn't easy for the home cultivator so pasteurization is recommended. I sterilize and spawn aseptically all the time.
There are lots of people on here that have sterilized coir and verm and spawned in open air with no issues.
If the substrate is just coir and verm, I bet the spawn was dirty.
Edited by Juiceh (08/17/15 03:37 PM)
|
suhbliem
Stranger
Registered: 07/01/15
Posts: 42
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: Juiceh]
#22103244 - 08/17/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I've been PCing the rye berries for only an hour ><, are all of my tubs doomed for trich infection? I was going off of a instructional video on youtube, you guys have prob seen it, it looks like it was made in the 90s and it has a hilarious sound effect when they play the time lapse shrooms growing. I followed that tek to a T for these first two grows. gah please don't tell me 1 hour in the PC for rye berries is not enough. sad...
|
spacechildo
proletarians rise up



Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: suhbliem]
#22103254 - 08/17/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
you are right, grain spawn should be PC'd at 15 psi for at least 90 mins. but juiceh was talking about pasteurizing bulk subs like manure,coir,verm which also takes 60-90 mins @ 0 psi but rather 140-160F core temp.
|
suhbliem
Stranger
Registered: 07/01/15
Posts: 42
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: spacechildo]
#22103273 - 08/17/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
if you were me would you ride out the grows or just throw away all of the rye seed spawns that were only cooked for 1 hour? I'm confused about whether or not there is a chance that they will spawn without contamination. In the jar when they are colonizing they are super healthy with no contams. Or are they all doomed to be contaminated due to the 1 hour PC time?
|
Juiceh
Dabbing All Day



Registered: 09/25/12
Posts: 3,208
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: spacechildo]
#22103280 - 08/17/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
spacechildo said: you are right, grain spawn should be PC'd at 15 psi for at least 90 mins. but juiceh was talking about pasteurizing bulk subs like manure,coir,verm which also takes 60-90 mins @ 0 psi but rather 140-160F core temp.
 I think some folks on here have even upped their cook times to 2 hours at 15psi for grains. I do 90 mins at 20-22psi, because I can.
|
Mad Season
hookers and blackjack



Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: suhbliem]
#22103281 - 08/17/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
suhbliem said: I was using canna coco coir without knowing about the added trichs on my first grow. I did pasteurize it @ 15psi for 1 hour though. Today I noticed a green patch, I think I already know what it is just wanted to confirm.


In the op you are talking about coir, not rye berries. Idk where you got this sudden rye berry obsession.. Juiceh was talking about the coir. Which you can pc just fine and spawn in open air.
Trich dies at 130F for 30 minutes. Whatever's there came from the environment and took hold of your weakened mycelium (who knows why it was weak.. a lot of different reasons)
|
suhbliem
Stranger
Registered: 07/01/15
Posts: 42
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: Mad Season]
#22103293 - 08/17/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Thank you! That is what I was looking for. Would you say it would be a good move to spray 3% h2o2 on the mycellium?
|
Mad Season
hookers and blackjack



Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: suhbliem]
#22103311 - 08/17/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Never a good move. Peroxide doesn't belong in this hobby. Except cobweb if you catch it early enough. Once you see trich it's toast.. I don't even recommend using salt or cutting it. If you want to save a flush just fruit the whole tub outside, or bury it. You'll still probably see stuff if you move it outside. Unless it's like -20 right now. Even a really dry climate will still provide you mature fruits
|
JohnnyR1ngo
The Great One



Registered: 07/07/15
Posts: 65
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22103312 - 08/17/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Oh, I see you got coir w/ trich added... To be honest I don't know much about that, but I would venture to say... Proper pasturation should work... It kills those contams and bacteria that need to go and keeps all the beneficial bacteria... To stave off all the bad while your spawn colonizes the substrate...
-------------------- Post are for fictional purposes... Never have I had experience in anything mentioned in this forum.. Or will I ever, I just like to write a bunch of fiction for entertainment purposes.. Don't believe a single thing... All pictures and videos were used with respective owners permission.. And found elsewhere on the net... Not all views and opinions are necessary affiliated with JohnnyR1ngo or his affliates... Be Well....
|
PinPornProducer
Buy the ticket, take the ride



Registered: 08/23/14
Posts: 9,981
Loc: Rocky Point R.I
Last seen: 6 years, 24 days
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: JohnnyR1ngo]
#22103351 - 08/17/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Tbo I use to use coir from a hydroponic store and had alot of trich issue and once I realized it had trich added (because it promotes healthy root growth in plants) I stopped using and switched to eco earth from the pet store and my trich issues went away almost over night. Maybe it was a coincidence, idk but I'll never use the hydroponic store shit anymore lol
|
Juiceh
Dabbing All Day



Registered: 09/25/12
Posts: 3,208
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: suhbliem]
#22103380 - 08/17/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
suhbliem said: if you were me would you ride out the grows or just throw away all of the rye seed spawns that were only cooked for 1 hour? I'm confused about whether or not there is a chance that they will spawn without contamination. In the jar when they are colonizing they are super healthy with no contams. Or are they all doomed to be contaminated due to the 1 hour PC time?
If you have jars that you haven't inoculated yet, I would recook them. How many jars are we talking?
If you have like a half dozen jars inoculated and that's all you have then you can ride them out and hope for the best. You could get lucky. You may not want to spawn to large bulk though. If you don't have a fuckton of jars, it is probably safest to do individual trays for each qt jar of grains. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Dunno how I missed that he was using coir in the OP, thanks for highlighting that Mad Season.
|
spacechildo
proletarians rise up



Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
|
|
probably just a coincidence unless you lost a lot of temperature quickly but I dont see how thats possible if you just bucket it.
I wouldn't throw away the grains, but you should post a pic of each and every one of them before spawning them together.
|
suhbliem
Stranger
Registered: 07/01/15
Posts: 42
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: spacechildo]
#22103437 - 08/17/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
according to one poster trich dies @30 mins in a PC set at 15psi so I would think that risk would not be coming from the substrate or the spawn but like another poster had said something from the environment + weakened mycellium which was a result of my noobness which I have since corrected.
I hope that when I removed the infected tray the spores didnt somehow contaminate the other tub. the other two trays that were in the same tub as the infected tray look fine, I'll keep a close eye on them.
Juiceh the plan is to spawn into bulk 1 quart of spawn per 3 quarts of substrate per turkey foil pan, I will be making 9 pans total filling three tubs. I already have prepared the substrate so I mine as well use it i guess.
Crossing my fingers really, really hard. I'll be spawning to bulk in 2-4 days, it's close. the jars look good, all white, vigorous growth.
|
Mad Season
hookers and blackjack



Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada
|
Re: Ugh I think I have a trich infection [Re: suhbliem]
#22103469 - 08/17/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Um weakened mycelium comes from a huge array of things. Including spawn. Always ALWAYS work on improving your prep procedures.
Quote:
Mad Season said: There's lots of reasons. All of them stemming from the fact the mycelium shit the bed. And if it does sooner than it should, it's a problem that should be fixed. bacteria(more bacteria) through improperly sterilized grains(I've upped my pc times and changed grains too many times to count, but I'm loving oats, I do most qt jars 2 hours @15-20psi), improper pasteurization, improper hydration, hidden contams from improper procedures and there's many more stuff I bet you could improve on.
P.S. I didn't say toss them all. Just the ones with trich, and to always work on improving the conditions for the myc. The healthier the myc, the better things will be 
Dirty spawn will greatly fuck things up.
Edited by Mad Season (08/17/15 04:38 PM)
|
|